Full wolf or half wolf?

Distorted Realism · Post by **Distorted Realism** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:33 pm

What do you think? should a werewolf be full wolf where the werewolf goes from human to wolf. or from human to a wolf- human hybrid?

Ansuru · Post by **Ansuru** » Tue May 20, 2008 4:38 pm

The word you're searching for (and don't worry, I hadn't applied it to the anthropomorphisized form before I found this place, either) is "gestalt."

And a two-legged wolf with usable hands is just

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Tue May 20, 2008 8:35 pm

I think your most common response to "other" is going to be "both." It was for me anyway.

Berserker · Post by **Berserker** » Tue May 20, 2008 9:45 pm

The half-wolf form is most of what makes werewolves interesting to me. I don't care too much for full-wolf form.

Night_Hunter · Post by **Night_Hunter** » Tue May 20, 2008 10:00 pm

full wolf just doesn't seem right

i mean

were= man
wolf= wolf

manwolf! it is supposed to be a hybrid

besides a full wolf form would be very limiting (no thumbs espiecially)

RedEye · Post by **RedEye** » Tue May 20, 2008 11:38 pm

The idea of Half-Wolf had me stumped there for a minute. Which half? Upper? Lower? 50% out of the middle? Split down the middle on either side?

My vote went for "other" or Gestalt: the Upright Wolf adapted for bipedalism.

Black Claw · Post by **Black Claw** » Thu May 22, 2008 7:40 am

it could change at will when in certain dangers are near.

Distorted Realism · Post by **Distorted Realism** » Thu May 22, 2008 8:44 pm

Black Claw wrote:it could change at will when in certain dangers are near.

that is a good point... hmm never thaugt of that...

RedEye · Post by **RedEye** » Thu May 22, 2008 10:00 pm

That's called a "Panic-Shift" and there are lots of citations on it.

I still see as a "half-wolf" either a guy with a normal upper body and funny feet and a tail, fur covered from the waist down; or a Wolf upper section on skinny legs and a beer belly.

But then I get silly sometimes...

Distorted Realism · Post by **Distorted Realism** » Fri May 23, 2008 4:38 pm

RedEye wrote:That's called a "Panic-Shift" and there are lots of citations on it.

I still see as a "half-wolf" either a guy with a normal upper body and funny feet and a tail, fur covered from the waist down; or a Wolf upper section on skinny legs and a beer belly.

But then I get silly sometimes...

like a satyr?

also don't Google it... ugh still cant get pictures out of my head....

alphanubilus · Post by **alphanubilus** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:25 pm

Actually the Germaic term for werewolf or... wer-wolf was used to describe a man (woman) who could turn into a wolf (full wolf). In most of the European legends, at least the ones I've studied, the person would become a full wolf. Sometimes people would see a wolf rise on its hind legs, or talk with other wolves, while they stood on their hind legs, but all in all they still were completely wolves... The "Gestalt" forms we would later see rose largely from Hollywood creation...

As for what I prefer... As a writer... it really depends on the type of story... In HOD my werewolves can take on various versions of each form, depending on their needs and circumstances. I thought of the forms to be sort of a camoflage. In my mythology they are really neither man or wolf, but an entire race of their own, but have the ability to blend into either species as needed...

In the "Wolf Prince" a man gets turned completely into a wolf, as it is a much more dramatic transition...

Night_Hunter · Post by **Night_Hunter** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:51 pm

WHAT ABOUT A WOLF WITH THE ABILITY TO TURN INTO A MAN?

WOULD IT BE SOME FREAKISH ABMONATION

A WOLFWERE PERHAPS?

alphanubilus · Post by **alphanubilus** » Fri May 23, 2008 7:54 pm

I couldn't imagine such a terrible fate for a poor wolf, than to spend the rest of his life working at McDonalds as a... gulp... human... poor little wuffer...

Distorted Realism · Post by **Distorted Realism** » Fri May 23, 2008 8:43 pm

Night_Hunter wrote:WHAT ABOUT A WOLF WITH THE ABILITY TO TURN INTO A MAN?

WOULD IT BE SOME FREAKISH ABMONATION

A WOLFWERE PERHAPS?

theres a movie about that... it was ma man who could turn into a wolf at will... cant remember the name it was like.. the wolf hunter or something...
the guy ssaid he was a wolf that could turn human...

Berserker · Post by **Berserker** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:17 am

alphanubilus wrote:Actually the Germaic term for werewolf or... wer-wolf was used to describe a man (woman) who could turn into a wolf (full wolf). In most of the European legends, at least the ones I've studied, the person would become a full wolf. Sometimes people would see a wolf rise on its hind legs, or talk with other wolves, while they stood on their hind legs, but all in all they still were completely wolves... The "Gestalt" forms we would later see rose largely from Hollywood creation...

The half-wolf appearance has existed for a very long time in folklore, such as the Vilkacis from the Baltics and the wulver of Scotland. Even from the Germanic term, the ulfhednar, which likely created much werewolf lore, would not likely have been seen as either full-wolf or full-man, but something inbetween.

Midnight · Post by **Midnight** » Sat May 24, 2008 5:30 am

Celestialwolf · Post by **Celestialwolf** » Fri May 30, 2008 11:32 pm

Terastas wrote:I think your most common response to "other" is going to be "both." It was for me anyway.

Pretty Much. 3 forms: human, wolf and werewolf.

Wolfwere? Interesting thought... how would they behave in the human world? They'd probably act like a wolf in a human body and draw a lot of attention, especially with the clothing issue...

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Sat May 31, 2008 9:09 pm

I generally always picture both.

Vilkacis · Post by **Vilkacis** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:56 pm

Berserker wrote:...such as the Vilkacis from the Baltics...

I'm from Washington State, actually.

-- Vilkacis

RedEye · Post by **RedEye** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 4:33 pm

Ahhh, pity the poor Wolf were; for most of the month he is a normal wolf, a member of a nice moderate suburban pack; with a mate and two and a half puppies.
On the Dark of the Moon, and on the nights on either side of it ( three nights total) he turns into the dreaded Wolf were and works a 'phone bank as a telemarketer in aluminum siding.
There is no cure for this dreaded affliction, save the lethal plastic bullet at the hands of an angry customer.

vrikasatma · Post by **vrikasatma** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:09 pm

I think the shifter should, at least with some practice, be able to "stop" anywhere along the man-to-wolf-and-back range, dependent upon the needs of the moment.

WerewolfKeeper3 · Post by **WerewolfKeeper3** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:34 pm

Night_Hunter wrote:WHAT ABOUT A WOLF WITH THE ABILITY TO TURN INTO A MAN?

WOULD IT BE SOME FREAKISH ABMONATION

A WOLFWERE PERHAPS?

Actually, i've read about this in a, you say anything about this, I'm not talking to anyone here ever again, in a ...paranormal romance novel. Sherrilyn Keenyon, i believe is her name. In her story there are Arcadians, and Werehunters. The Werehunters are animals with the hearts of humans, and the Arcadians are humans with the hearts of animals. The werehunters are animals that turn into humans, while the arcadians are the reverse, basically wereanimals. They also happen to be bitter enemies, trying to kill each other... nice ain't it? Read Night Play, if you're over eighteen or eighteen, and are interested. It's a romance novel. It has mating in it, but it's not that bad of a read.

and yes, i'm straight.

You should also read Touch of Evil and Touch of Madness. Also has not for younger people material in them, but they're really good.

I'm going to go slink off now to another thread...

And i had to change the words i was using because they weren't showing up...

MoonKit · Post by **MoonKit** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:54 pm

Im a big fan of the 5 forms:

Human
Human with wolfish aspects
Half/Combined/Gestalt
Mostly wolf but still humanoid
Wolf

I do like the partial changes quite a bit. But really my favorite are the ones who go from man to wolf; the simple shapeshifters.

War-Ulv · Post by **War-Ulv** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:20 am

I will say both,
full wolf form for running and werewolf form for other things

Black Claw · Post by **Black Claw** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:44 pm

Read the Sight, it has a describtion of wolf turning into human.

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