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this guy is trying really hard to help firries but he is getting nailed by people that are against them
i googles furries and found this

http://www.arg.com/hangout/1395-furries.html
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*shrug* It happens.
People are ignorant.
They like to have something to hate, so they refuse to hear the truth and cling to their stupid little obsessive belief.
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At some point, something in a furry's head "clicked" to make them so interested in that particular thing. It is like a kind of fetishism, and many people who don't have that trigger will find furries incomprehensible. They can't relate with it, so to try and rationalize it, they connect-the-dots with the most easily accessible information they can find. Like putting cream on an itch, the first thing that allows them to rationalize it automatically becomes truth to them. Unfortunately, that information is horribly skewed, and it fosters hatred.

I reckon the same process would occur if werewolves went public, only it would be more extreme.
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No it is not. I am a furry, and it has absolutely nothing to do with sex for most of us, so please stop encouraging this idiotic notion that spawns so much hatred.
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The problem a lot of non-furz have with furries is DECORUM. That is, the refusal to keep the more extreme elements of the fandom at home, behind closed doors, and away from the eyes of children or people who don't want to see it.
People who wear tails in public, or rubber pants, or..whatever. You wanna do that? No problem! Just keep it at home! Just don't go around demanding that people accept a "lifestyle"

That stuff is hard to ignore when it's out in public, whether at a hotel for a convention, or anywhere furries gather. People...are gonna stare. They're gonna make fun. They might even think it's cool. But furries stick out.

The sex part of the fandom exists folks. Don't deny it. Although it doesn't mean EVERY fur is like that, the majority of the fandom IS heavily sexualized. It's a fact. If it were kept at home, in PRIVATE, it might not cause such a ruckus. But look at any furr image board, the ones you don't have to pay for or prove your age, and you see how easy it is for someone to look at EXTREME furry art and possibly get the wrong idea.

Don't hate people who don't like furries. Try and see it from their side. Find out WHY they think the way they do before calling them racist, specist, or close minded.

Believe it or not, this is a pro-furry post ^_^
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PariahPoet wrote:No it is not. I am a furry, and it has absolutely nothing to do with sex for most of us, so please stop encouraging this idiotic notion that spawns so much hatred.
I'm not being hateful here. I'm trying to get into the minds of people who hate furries and look for a reasonable, psychological explanation.

First off, furry doesn't have to have anything to do with sex to follow thought processes similar to fetishism. It's still an unusually strong (i.e. not mundane or fleeting) fixation to a very specific type of figure, quality, or characteristic. That isn't a negative thing, but whether or not a different word than "fetish" should be used to describe it (even though definitionally that seems to be the most pertinent word,) is debatable.

I believe it takes some kind of mental bond to cause such an attachment. It's a fairly recent thing, too: in a life absolutely saturated with anthropomorphism from a very early age, we should expect more people to be furries than ever before. But, that's why people lash out against furries. It's a new phenomenon, and they don't have the capacity to understand it, because they didn't get that mental bond like you did. And like I've already mentioned, people tend to cling to the first thing that satisfies their need for rationalization; unfortunately, the most common information out there is skewed.
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*looks at the page from the link*

O_O

What exactly is wrong with anyone who's a furry? It doesn't make any sense.
(How come they have AnthroCon and other furry convention if people really hated it that much?)
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1. its the internet where you can say/be anything you want without getting trouble by anyone.
2. people should really learn not to care what others think, like my dad used to say to me not everyone is going to like you.

its a fact that no one in this world is normal:lol:
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ghostfang wrote:1. its the internet where you can say/be anything you want with getting trouble by anyone.
2. people should really learn not to care what others think, like my dad used to say to me not everyone is going to like you.

its a fact that no one in this world is normal:lol:

very very true, lol. :lol: theres no such thing as normal, maybe average, but normal? nah.
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Awww...some of those quotes really hurt my feelings and Im not even a furry!

"It's socially irresponsible to allow him/her to continue down a deviant path." Since when is anything different deviant and immediately immoral? ?? He compared it to anorexia!


"Broly3k8, it is not to put the kid down, it is to make him realize that it is not something normal, I personally will never accept that into my society and hate living in a world that does."

Sheesh, close minded much? See...it may be the furries that are highly into bestiality that make humans hate them. But it is the humans like this who make it harder on therians to not try and ignore their human side. :P What a jerk.


EDITED TO ADD: Who goes on forums made specifically for teenagers anyway? :lol:
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i was reaesrching about furries is all i was doing and i saw that board.
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WereWolfBoy, by any means... are you the guy on the boards? (DarkWolf) I don't know, I just got a feeling :P
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MattSullivan wrote:People who wear tails in public, or rubber pants, or..whatever. You wanna do that? No problem! Just keep it at home!
I don't see what earthly business of anyone else's it could be if someone wants to go around wearing a tail in public. If someone doesn't like it they've got an inalienable right to (1) not look at it, and to (2) mind their own business.

Personally I'd consider a tail to be a completely useless article of clothing that could actually be a slight hazard if it gets caught up in something. Just like a necktie. Should I start pointing and laughing at people wearing neckties?
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Midnight wrote:
MattSullivan wrote:People who wear tails in public, or rubber pants, or..whatever. You wanna do that? No problem! Just keep it at home!
I don't see what earthly business of anyone else's it could be if someone wants to go around wearing a tail in public. If someone doesn't like it they've got an inalienable right to (1) not look at it, and to (2) mind their own business.

Personally I'd consider a tail to be a completely useless article of clothing that could actually be a slight hazard if it gets caught up in something. Just like a necktie. Should I start pointing and laughing at people wearing neckties?
I agree, but you must admit that Matt is right in some respects.

I mean, I for one am not into this type of stuff at all, it doesn't do anything for me...but I don't see any problem with it in public within reason... the big question is what is "within reason"....

wearing a tail is one thing, but if things start getting much too strange and borderline obscene, I believe people would have every right to have a problem with it... In those cases, for the love of god and out of sheer politeness towards people who may glance in your direction, you should keep it at home.

don't ask me to draw that line, because I can't, there's endless possibilities for the odd things people might wear.... but it should be based on common sense on the part of the wearer and the observer.

Rubber pants though... I'm gonna have to say I don't need to see that.O.o
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WereWolfBoy wrote:i was reaesrching about furries is all i was doing and i saw that board.
I wasnt making fun of you! :) I was cracking a joke about the "macho" guys on there who think they're above everybody.


Also...what's the big deal with furries drawing yiff (thats what its called right?)? Its not really bestiality now is it? They're not sleeping with animals. They're half forms sleeping with half forms. And there are a lot of macho guys who will hate furries for that then go home and look up porn of a girl doing things with a horse or dog. You never hear about porn for women where men are in those situations. People are so angry.
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Okay, I think Matt was making an example with the rubber pants bit. There is no way that a fur covered being would wear rubber, since it yould be A: Hot as hell, and B: go against the lay of their fur over a major part of their body.
And Fuzzy critters (cats and dogs) don't like having their fur petted backwards against its natural lay-pattern. That would go double in spades for a human-sized Fuzzy, believe me.

Personally, I agree with Matt in that some Furs get out of hand and since Furrys are so memorable, the whole lot get bashed on account of the few. The key here is memorability more than anything else. You get a Smoothskin acting like a jerk, that's just someone in the crowd who should have been left in the room; or better still, at home. You have someone in a Fursuit do the same thing and everybody remembers because Furrys are Memorable (as in easy to remember in an assortment of people).
Then there's the fear factor: a Furry is an intelligent non-human, and that frightens a lot of people. It's like the "Martians" all over again. They don't belong to the human tribe, and that gets some folks' goat, for some reason.
Then, too; "there is nothing as fragile and delicate as the ego of a human adolescent, especially the males. They are busy posturing and demonstrating for the available females, and will viciously attack anything that they see as a threat to their position in the herd. The most frequently observed activities are the verbal belittling of anyone seen as a rival; followed by physical anger displays and occasional violence.
Most of the observed females seem more mature mentally than the males; and practice avoidance behaviour against the most troublesome of their male peers.
A male human in adolescence is frequently overwhelmed with combined mating urges and position maintenance to the point of displaying almost childish behaviour, and will form "opinions" on the flimsiest of evidence to demonstrate their superiority and desirability to the females of their age-group; and whether that display is accepted or rejected seems immaterial to them.
Fortuantely, those not culled by their self-destructive activities usually manage to aquire some social maturity by the time they reach the age of twenty years; and usually become mature mentally by the age of thirty. It is to be regretted that they act in this way, but as Simian-base creatures, it seems to be hard-wired into them. There is little that differs them from their cousins, the Chimpanzees, during these years; but they do achieve intelligence in time.
The ones that manage to avoid this peculiar behaviour set usually are belittled by the ones who are involved in these activities; yet manage to achieve a successful mating far more frequently than their mentally immature species members. It would appear that the female is more capable and aware during this time than the male, and will pick the more intelligent males to settle with and raise offspring."*
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People can do whatever they want! I just think if it pushes the boundaries into sexual perversions it oughta be kept inside...in PRIVATE!
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Huh? Thought the thread was closed by Kaebora?!
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Damn, that thread is just so negative. So many annoying and hate posts. Those teens love to discriminating the poor wolfy boy. I may even call humans the most ignorant, arrogant, stupid race! The aliens would laugh at us for creating this type of argument. Nothing is normal in this world, it's like a fantasy world and that is reality. After reading some more posts, it tends to get out of hand. Since B..I mean the wolf boy is trying to help the furry community with positive explanation and the true meaning of it. Just like the rest of the humans, they tend to become anti-fur and evil. Those animals! They think they are so smart that they know everything provided by the media and that f*** encyclopedia dramatica! Not everyone in this Earth knows what a f*** furry is!! This social war is messed up. Sure the furry fandom may have a lot sexual deviants that makes their yiffy drawings intolerable and disgusting. They are two groups of the furry fandom, One is with Nature and Animals and the other strong sexual themes. But, still those people loathe them. They think the furries are nothing but teen to young adults who dress up as animals! s***, not all furries makes fursuits and dress up as one. They say grow up! Stop being trapped in your own childhood. That f*** gets on my nerves, everyone has different interests. Let alone, their weird interests are not accepted in this kind of society.

Not every human being on this once beautiful planet grew up with animals and anthropomorphic animal entertainment. City dwellers can be very ignorant and cruel. If your a open-minded person best to stay away from the ignorant, unless you want to wake up their minds. If something that is not ordinary and not normal, the humans will fear, ridicule, hate, and kill the whatever that is a threat or scares humanity. This war is still going and it's been happening since the Furry Fandom is introduced.

Anthropomorphism existed long before the dawn of mankind. Look at the history, the paintings, the texts, myths, and stories. They can be found, I find many pictures of anthro animals like the lion man for example. If you hate furries doesn't mean you hate animals, but in a sense you do. Because the latest post from that negative ignorant forum says they should be roadkilled. Dude, animals are killed every year, it sucks for them, even humans as well. Say a furry is a intelligent non-human, so it can be a extraterrestrial/alien. Humans might fear them and wage a physical war with them. Humanity has a lot of history, they are at least 60 billion years old or more! But on this Earth, these humans are a new breed that has been here for at least 9,000 years or 10,000 years. The truth hurts of course, most of you people can't handle it. Let the government do the work, while you sleep. Isn't that catching? The only thing missing in this world is Love. Furries love animals and their favorite animal is their totem. You may think you have animal spirit within yourself, but that's just disillusion and crazy.

The furry war will always end terribly. The furry fandom might be accepted by the media and the humans by 2010 or the near future. It can be unlikely. I am still tired of seeing overrated, cliche' art of popular human characters. I want to see something different at least. An anthropomorphic animal cannot always be geared towards a children audience, but for the adult audience as well. They can be in any genre: fantasy, sci-fi, romance, action, adventure, drama, and soap operas. The story for them can be deep and serious. Like Star Fox for example. But I found more furry stories like those. Every sapient beings can be sexual driven. Otherkin for example are not your everyday normal guys, they think their soul didn't originally came from this Earth. Let alone, that they believe they are elves, dragons, kitsune, etc, etc. Maybe their past lives may be remembered. Earth here is a prison for most of us and we can't seem to remember our past lives. I think furries are sexy, unique, interesting, and fun. Because it is original, not overused crap. Most furries that I know of are friendly, nice, and cool. They can be caring loving people, I heard they help a stranger going to a furry convention center. But not all of them are like that.

That teen forum needs to learn a lot of things. They are still young, but they are learning. But more likely to be manipulated. But still most people are ignorant and close minded. Because they spend too much time with MTV, TV, and soap operas. They should read Books!! Educated themselves not from the goddamn government's favorite public education.

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I'm worse off than Matt, purely because being me around furries with ideals and sensitivity about the same level as pro-gay extremists really irritates the s*** out of me.

If i can't be honest with anything pertaining to furries, fine, but don't flip a pan on me if i said anything remotely associated to furries.
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A reminder to all of you, if you wish to continue your discussion, watch closely on what you say. Do not get around our curse censor, no bashing on the human race such as "humans are evil" since you are a human, no direct attack towards other members. Put it simply just be civil.
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Midnight wrote: Should I start pointing and laughing at people wearing neckties?
I'm going to! :lol:
MattSullivan wrote:People can do whatever they want! I just think if it pushes the boundaries into sexual perversions it oughta be kept inside...in PRIVATE!
And I wholeheartedly agree!
All I'm trying to get across is that most of us are not like that, and when I choose to wear a tail in public, I am not parading a sexual interest(yuck), I am supporting my (non-sexual)hobby much like a sports fan wears a cap supporting his favorite team. And for those who do not know- I make and wear fursuits and would never have sex in them. Why? Because the idea of sex just creeps me out. So now you know a celibate furry.
Shadow Wulf wrote: no bashing on the human race such as "humans are evil" since you are a human
Pft, it's not my fault I was born in a human body.
I'm not bashing humans in this post since you asked us not to, just pointing out that I am not human in any way other than this regrettable physical form.
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ugh :roll: ok being a furry/psychologist and speaking to several other psychologist, i can honestly say that there is nothing messed up mentally in the brain of a furry. please, if anyone is a member of that board, post that for me cause im 19 so im not a "teen" also if you have questions about what furries are, please remember to take everything with a grain of salt and remember that every group has their own brand of normal. thx

if anyone wants to ask me questions, please do, i want this type of stuff answered properly.
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this guy stick out like a sore thumb in a crowd people give him flak about the way he looks, heh he even started a trend
http://www.jibjab.com/view/134735
so if someone would were a tail in public, let em it doesnt bother me but im only one person :(
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