Are Furry's Commie's

[cumulusprotagonist]

Absolutley nothing.

[Terastas]

However by the time Lenin died he had ordered thousands to be put to death, anti communists, religious people and independanist russian peasants.

Well yeah, because Lenin was just another dictator with a fancy title.

I'm not supporting Communism (it's a system that depends on everyone doing their part, which might work in a small community, but could never work for an entire country). I'm just saying you shouldn't say Communism and Fascism are the same thing because the "Communism" you're comparing to Fascism was Fascism.

And no offense Matt, but could you possibly have overgeneralized furries any more with that statement? I'll agree that gay marriage is another issue where furries are more likely to lean to the left, but most of that looks like it could have been copy-pasted from Something Awful.

Somebody once said of the fandom that if you ask ten people what it means to be furry, you'll get a dozen different answers. What is and is not furry is nearly impossible to define without offending or excluding somebody that affiliates with the fandom. Some people would associate traditional anthropomorphic characters like Bugs Bunny or werewolves to be potentially furry, but there are just as many furs that will insist they have absolutely no relation to the fandom. It's all a matter of opinion.

BTW, if your only concern in animation is catering to the general public, you're going to have a very miserable career. You can never please everyone, and the more people you try to please all at once, the more people in your audience you're going to fall short for.

[MattSullivan]

i don't think you understand my meaning ( pariah, I love your art and I don't consider it FURRY )

Again, to clarify...I'm somewhat conservative and old-fashioned. I see things in a very black and white two-dimensional way. Furry art is more often than not, sexually provocative. THAT, is MY defenition of FURRY. Since i'm an artist, its how i most often think...in terms of art and what it means. I'm not much into philosophy or "what things really mean"

For God's sake, I myself have drawn ( and may draw in the future ) furry art. I stopped making it ( for the most part ) because people outside the fandom saw it in such a negative light, and I didn't want to only be associated with this fandom. Those of you who love furry fandom, no doubt see me as something of an intolerant or ignorant person.

I know a lot of furs don't care what other ( non-fur ) people think of them. But I do. And I have a right to care about that. My opinions aren't based on blind hatred. They're based on observations of personal behavior. And so many furs are SO anti-this, anti-that, I actually find them to be more intolerant than most right wing fanatics. And IF someone tends to disagree with the negative aspects of the fandom, ( IE, go against the popular party line )people come out of the woodwork to make blanket statements like some of the afforemantioned in this thread.

Too many people react in a knee-jerk fashion. They don't know how to let go of their emotions, and stop and THINK, "Gee, this person isn't talking about ME" Everyone thinks if someone writes something, it's a personal insult. They tend to turn the internet into a realm of CONSTANT DRAMA, when it doesn't need to be.

Sorry, but I get uncomfortable when thefurry friends I sometimes hang out with use the word "yiff" every other second. In fact, much of the "furry language" is repellant to me. Yiff Yarf Murr....it really makes my skin crawl, and I don't know why. It's possible that I'm a little older, and I remember a time where people didn'tmake up words to disguise reality. A time that that wasn't quite so politically correct, when you didn't get fired for being a funny talk show host who made the occasional racial joke. Now, the slightest little joke and all the lfet wing loonies with no sense of humor come slithering out from under their rocks to RUIN someone's career, because they want to SANITZE the world. Well folks, that just makes people resent you.

But more to a point, and getting more back on topic i think communism appeals to furries. They like living together and sharing resources. Most furries i know are poor and don't work...they often pool resources...well...maybe not so much because they want to...but because they have to. Of all the furs i've ever known, only ONE owns his own house or makes more than 700 bucks a month

[Set]

*breaks out the scalpel* Dissection time!

Again, to clarify...I'm somewhat conservative and old-fashioned. I see things in a very black and white two-dimensional way. ... I'm not much into philosophy or "what things really mean" ... Since i'm an artist

There's an interesting contradiction. Not much into what things really mean, and still an artist? I bet abstract paintings are quite a pill for you to swallow. How can you be at all creative with a viewpoint like that?

Furry art is more often than not, sexually provocative.

Depends on where you look. In my experience, unless you're looking for the porn, you don't find much of it.

For God's sake, I myself have drawn ( and may draw in the future ) furry art. I stopped making it ( for the most part ) because people outside the fandom saw it in such a negative light, and I didn't want to only be associated with this fandom. Those of you who love furry fandom, no doubt see me as something of an intolerant or ignorant person.

I know a lot of furs don't care what other ( non-fur ) people think of them. But I do. And I have a right to care about that.

It isn't my problem if you're insecure.

And so many furs are SO anti-this, anti-that, I actually find them to be more intolerant than most right wing fanatics.

Well, I'm anti-people-eating-babies, surely you're not going to argue with me on that? Being against something isn't always a bad thing.

And IF someone tends to disagree with the negative aspects of the fandom, ( IE, go against the popular party line )people come out of the woodwork to make blanket statements like some of the afforemantioned in this thread.

Must've missed that, point them out to me. I didn't see any blanket statements while reading over this.

Too many people react in a knee-jerk fashion. They don't know how to let go of their emotions, and stop and THINK, "Gee, this person isn't talking about ME" Everyone thinks if someone writes something, it's a personal insult. They tend to turn the internet into a realm of CONSTANT DRAMA, when it doesn't need to be.

This is the point where I call you a hypocrite. You do the same damn thing. "Oh noes, you called my art furry, UR MEAN!"

Sorry, but I get uncomfortable when thefurry friends I sometimes hang out with use the word "yiff" every other second. In fact, much of the "furry language" is repellant to me. Yiff Yarf Murr....it really makes my skin crawl, and I don't know why. It's possible that I'm a little older, and I remember a time where people didn'tmake up words to disguise reality.

It's called slang. Something that will always pop up in language. I despise "ebonics", hip-hop derived words, but I don't (usually) b**** when people use it.

But more to a point, and getting more back on topic i think communism appeals to furries. They like living together and sharing resources.

For the record, I despise people, so right now you're the one making blanket statements.

Most furries i know are poor and don't work...they often pool resources...well...maybe not so much because they want to...but because they have to. Of all the furs i've ever known, only ONE owns his own house or makes more than 700 bucks a month

Being broke isn't solely a furry thing. And really, what does that have to do with anything?

[Kaebora]

Too many people react in a knee-jerk fashion. They don't know how to let go of their emotions, and stop and THINK, "Gee, this person isn't talking about ME" Everyone thinks if someone writes something, it's a personal insult. They tend to turn the internet into a realm of CONSTANT DRAMA, when it doesn't need to be.

I couldn't agree more. I'm too afraid to say it myself, but now that I know another person shares that same concern... why not. It is a growing problem.

But more to a point, and getting more back on topic i think communism appeals to furries. They like living together and sharing resources. Most furries i know are poor and don't work...they often pool resources...well...maybe not so much because they want to...but because they have to. Of all the furs i've ever known, only ONE owns his own house or makes more than 700 bucks a month

Now that I disagree with. It's just generalizing and stereotyping against the furry fandom based on perhaps a small percentage, if not majority of the fandom. "Guilty by association" so to speak. Amost allways false. I'm very sure that a large percentage of the fandom is not exactly as you described.

Not saying this is an attack on me or anything. Of course it's not. I'm not a furry. It's just that you seem to still have a narrow veiw of the furry culture. Going so far to say that they all have everything in common financially/ politically/ religiously, seems a bit far fetched. They are individuals, not a collective hive mind (via Borg).

And... I sense this discussion getting a bit tense. Keep things civil at all costs, or its thread locking time.

[cumulusprotagonist]

Set, you despise "people"? Don't you know that you are a person?

The fact that you can comunicate on this forum proves you are a person. This is dead serious.

(I will not say why I added that.)

[Set]

Set, you despise "people"? Don't you know that you are a person?

The fact that you can comunicate on this forum proves you are a person. This is dead serious.

It proves nothing. For all you know, I could be a computer.

(I will not say why I added that.)

Why are you assuming I care enough to bother asking?

[cumulusprotagonist]

I assumed nothing I only said something.

[Lukas]

o snap, quick shadowwolf! to the debate bunkers! *takes cover*

[Short Tail]

I tipped my chair over backwards when I first saw this thread I was laughing so hard. While I have been labled a "Hippie" by my highschool friends for adopting more liberal views and attending Colorado State University, I am actually non-partisan. And no, like any group there is a wide range of views, so while there my be some communist furs, it would be incorrect to say that it is communistic.

[Timber-WoIf]

o snap, quick shadowwolf! to the debate bunkers! *takes cover*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-DbYO5LYJw
(start at about 0:30)

Again, to clarify...I'm somewhat conservative and old-fashioned. I see things in a very black and white two-dimensional way. ... I'm not much into philosophy or "what things really mean" ... Since i'm an artist

There's an interesting contradiction. Not much into what things really mean, and still an artist? I bet abstract paintings are quite a pill for you to swallow. How can you be at all creative with a viewpoint like that?

Not all art is abstract. And not all artist work for the sake of creativity. And not all artists care what things really mean. (boy, you have a narrow veiw of what an artist should be, dont you?)

Furry art is more often than not, sexually provocative.

Depends on where you look. In my experience, unless you're looking for the porn, you don't find much of it.

If its not sexual in some way then i wont consider it furry art. Instead, i think of it at anthro or simply charicter art. I'm guessing Matt thinks similarly

For God's sake, I myself have drawn ( and may draw in the future ) furry art. I stopped making it ( for the most part ) because people outside the fandom saw it in such a negative light, and I didn't want to only be associated with this fandom. Those of you who love furry fandom, no doubt see me as something of an intolerant or ignorant person.

I know a lot of furs don't care what other ( non-fur ) people think of them. But I do. And I have a right to care about that.

It isn't my problem if you're insecure.

Nobody said it had to be. Dickwad
And, honestly, i dont think that it's 100% him being insecure. For example, i would never tell my co-workers that i wuz a furry. Not because i'd be ashamed, but the peoplei work with would probibly have a hard time looking at me straight. You cant go out flaunting unpopular beliefs and such and interact smoothly in society. There shouldn't be those problems, but its one of those sad but true things. I would not want to be openly accociated with the furry cultrure either. It's nothing i have against them, but the general publics general stereotyping of the culture. Most people i've talked to who aren't familiar with the culture think furrys are only about having animal costume orgies.

And so many furs are SO anti-this, anti-that, I actually find them to be more intolerant than most right wing fanatics.

Well, I'm anti-people-eating-babies, surely you're not going to argue with me on that? Being against something isn't always a bad thing.

OK, are you tryng to picka fight or something?
He's talking about people who are trying way to hard and going way out of thier way to be "against the system." Or people who are just retarded and think life can actually be made perfect.

And IF someone tends to disagree with the negative aspects of the fandom, ( IE, go against the popular party line )people come out of the woodwork to make blanket statements like some of the afforemantioned in this thread.

this made no sense to me. Can you rephrase or expand or something?

Too many people react in a knee-jerk fashion. They don't know how to let go of their emotions, and stop and THINK, "Gee, this person isn't talking about ME" Everyone thinks if someone writes something, it's a personal insult. They tend to turn the internet into a realm of CONSTANT DRAMA, when it doesn't need to be.

This is the point where I call you a hypocrite. You do the same damn thing. "Oh noes, you called my art furry, UR MEAN!"

I didn't see his posts as being retaltiatory in any way. an example of what he was talking about would be this:

Matt- to be honest, it offends me that you lump all furry art into "yiff". You know me. You know I don't do that, is my art nothing but yiff to you?

sry pariah, twas the easiest example for me to copy and paste **oh, and what matt ment was that all yiff, and only yiff, he considers furry art. not teh other way around.

Sorry, but I get uncomfortable when thefurry friends I sometimes hang out with use the word "yiff" every other second. In fact, much of the "furry language" is repellant to me. Yiff Yarf Murr....it really makes my skin crawl, and I don't know why. It's possible that I'm a little older, and I remember a time where people didn'tmake up words to disguise reality.

It's called slang. Something that will always pop up in language. I despise "ebonics", hip-hop derived words, but I don't (usually) b**** when people use it.

Did he say he bitches when poeple use them, smart a**? That isn't even implied anywhere in what he wrote. He simply stated use of said phrases makes him uncomfortible. Honestly, it would make me uncomfortible too. But i suppose i'm also conservitive.

But more to a point, and getting more back on topic i think communism appeals to furries. They like living together and sharing resources.

For the record, I despise people, so right now you're the one making blanket statements.

Yes, it was a blanket statement. But it was also a thoughtfull answer to the question posted at the beggining of this thread. And WTF does your hate for people have to do with anything? (for the record, i dispise rude little s*** who make irrelivant and retarded-a** comments for the sake of ticking people off)

Most furries i know are poor and don't work...they often pool resources...well...maybe not so much because they want to...but because they have to. Of all the furs i've ever known, only ONE owns his own house or makes more than 700 bucks a month

Being broke isn't solely a furry thing. And really, what does that have to do with anything?

When did he imply that it was? He was making an observation based on his experiences.


Set (and everyone else), stop reading posts as if they are aimed at attacking something and try to look at stuff as simple openions and observations. Yes, you may not agree with other peoples openions. But, Matt here, for example, hasnt clamed anything he's said to be any kind of solid fact. All he's stated are openions and observations based on his experiences. (oh, and, uh, matt, sorry bout steppin up like that. But... i felt compeled to do so... correct my wrong assumtions plz.)

[Kirk Hammett]

Set (and everyone else), stop reading posts as if they are aimed at attacking something and try to look at stuff as simple openions and observations. Yes, you may not agree with other peoples openions.

I never attacked anybody. Just stated some opinions. If it seemed like I was, I was being misinterpreted because I'm not a good writer. Sorry.

I'm lost anyway, too many posts.

[John Wolf]

I seriously cannot see why this subject was even considered a valid discussion. Makes no sense, and the obvious answer to the threads question is more than likely "no".

Communism = form of governmental rule where all people make the same amount of money from the government regardless of their job, and share resources equally. Can also be partially democratic in how officials are elected.

Furries = a fandom based around anthropomorphic creatures.

Just WHAT do the two have in common? Please tell me, because I don't see any similarities.

Well the first art I came across on the furry subject, I viewed, was like coyotes, huskys and foxes with red star communist or communistic like flags. I've also heard that furry's (the people who dress up as them) are leftleaning and tend to be communistic, even if this is inacurate, I still wanted to know.

Secondly I think I should have put more effort into the topic title, I agree now that saying are furry's commies has alienated certain members and what I was intending to get answered.

However I still belive this subject had a purpose and has been worth discussing, though I admit, I should have clarified more what I was intending to get answered.

[MattSullivan]

Thanks for the backup Timber.

Yes, my post was nothing but opinions. Opinions based on my experience mingling with, among, and as furries.

I've SEEN crude behavior..in public...and in front of children. I've SEEN 10 or more furries living inside a house. I've witnessed certain members of the fandom doing things that would make Osama Bin Laden weep for humanity...

But...I never said I saw any of YOU doing that :}

When I wrote about how if someone disagrees with major aspects of the fandom or its philosophies, he or she can sometimes be attacked in turn. And....look what happened. PEOPLE REACTED EXACTLY THE SAME WAY I SAID THEY SOMETIMES DO! ( By thinking it was an attack on THEM. )

I sometimes wonder if, when people read my threads, they see me as some gigantic, red-faced blowhard, eyebrows furrowed in rage, writing endless meandering manifestos about the "evils" of furry fandom.

LOL!

Puh-leeze. I'm harmless. I wrote a movie about WEREWOLVES for pity's sake. I may not WANT people to call Cl a "furry movie" but that doesn't mean it's gonna stop someone. Nor will I go out of my way to stop someone. The worst I would do is state that in my mind, it has nothing to do with furry fandom.

No matter what you guys think, I have not attacked any single person on this board. I have only put forth my opinions on the fandom andhow they relate to the thread :} And I'll keep doing so.

Now...I will continue to maintain...that a lot of furries lean very heavily to the left...and so you see art with a lot of communist-style imagery. Maybe because, int he minds of those artists ( artists being quite opinionated in the matter of political justice ) that they are upset with the status quo. Or maybe that the system just isn't working for them.
It's easy to want free health care. But you also have high taxes and a long waiting list. Ask a canadian. It's easy to want equal wages for everyone. But what does that do for the spirit of competitiveness that actually pushes us to do better, or work HARDER to achieve a greater station in life. It's EASY to say "don't buy gas, then we'll bring the oil companies to their knees" It's another thing to do it when you have to go to the grocery store, or to work, or the doctors office.

Think about it...

[MattSullivan]

BORG! LOL!

"We are the furries. You will be assimilated. Your money and refrigerator will adapt to service us"

*giggle*

[Figarou]

However I still belive this subject had a purpose and has been worth discussing, though I admit, I should have clarified more what I was intending to get answered.

Riiiiight.

So did this one.
http://www.thepack.network/thepackboard ... php?t=3704

But it ended up getting locked.

This thread is going the same direction.

[Shadow Wulf]

However I still belive this subject had a purpose and has been worth discussing, though I admit, I should have clarified more what I was intending to get answered.

Riiiiight.

So did this one.
http://www.thepack.network/thepackboard ... php?t=3704

But it ended up getting locked.

This thread is going the same direction.

*Has mouse over lock button* Only a matter of time comrads!

[Kirk Hammett]

However I still belive this subject had a purpose and has been worth discussing, though I admit, I should have clarified more what I was intending to get answered.

Riiiiight.

So did this one.
http://www.thepack.network/thepackboard ... php?t=3704

But it ended up getting locked.

This thread is going the same direction.

*Has mouse over lock button* Only a matter of time comrads!

Despite my rant thread I'm very, very cranky still. Cranky enough to comment.

He was apologising. It's fine to lock the thread, Shadow Wulf, you are the moderator with all the power, but he was apologising. Give him some slack. He didn't intend for this I'm sure, even if what he said was hugely disagreeable.

[Shadow Wulf]

locking this thread wasn't really my intentions. All of you are grown up and should be mature enough to handle these kinds of controversial conversations. If it does get out of hand, then I'll lock it. But it hasn't yet and I trust you guys that you will behave. I was never mad at John or anyone.

[Set]

Not all art is abstract.

Did I say it was?

And not all artist work for the sake of creativity. And not all artists care what things really mean. (boy, you have a narrow veiw of what an artist should be, dont you?)

What's the point in being an artist if you're not gonna be creative? You could just as easily do something that doesn't require it, like be a mathemetician. I just don't understand how someone can have that attitude and still draw things.

If its not sexual in some way then i wont consider it furry art. Instead, i think of it at anthro or simply charicter art. I'm guessing Matt thinks similarly

Why is everything about sex with you people? Can't you get your minds out of the gutter for five damn minutes? There's a big difference between "furry" and "yiff", and anyone with some amount of intelligence should be able to understand that.

Dickwad

Do you honestly think attempting to insult me is going to make me shut up?

And, honestly, i dont think that it's 100% him being insecure. For example, i would never tell my co-workers that i wuz a furry. Not because i'd be ashamed, but the peoplei work with would probibly have a hard time looking at me straight. You cant go out flaunting unpopular beliefs and such and interact smoothly in society.

Oh really? Not only are you misinformed, you're a coward.

There shouldn't be those problems, but its one of those sad but true things. I would not want to be openly accociated with the furry cultrure either. It's nothing i have against them, but the general publics general stereotyping of the culture. Most people i've talked to who aren't familiar with the culture think furrys are only about having animal costume orgies.

That's funny, most people have never even HEARD OF furries. And anyone who believes everything they see on something like CSI is a brainless twit anyway.

OK, are you tryng to picka fight or something?
He's talking about people who are trying way to hard and going way out of thier way to be "against the system." Or people who are just retarded and think life can actually be made perfect.

Guess cumulusprotagonist should stop spouting the ideals of a Utopian society then? Seems to me like you're the one itching for a fight. I was just trying to make a point. Right now you both seem to be going out of your way to be against those against the system, so doesn't that make you just as guilty?

I didn't see his posts as being retaltiatory in any way.

Have you not read one of the many threads where he complains about people calling Camp Lycanthrope furry, even if it has nothing at all to do with the original topic?

Yes, it was a blanket statement. But it was also a thoughtfull answer to the question posted at the beggining of this thread. And WTF does your hate for people have to do with anything? (for the record, i dispise rude little s*** who make irrelivant and retarded-a** comments for the sake of ticking people off)

Again, I was trying to make a point. What exactly don't you get about that?

Set (and everyone else), stop reading posts as if they are aimed at attacking something and try to look at stuff as simple openions and observations.

Practice what you preach, cupcake.

Oh, and one more thing...

For God's sake, I myself have drawn ( and may draw in the future ) furry art.

That's what I don't get. You've drawn yiff (yiff, not furry art) and yet you complain about it. If you don't like it, or don't like what people think of it, then why the hell do you draw it? And not just porn, stuff of the fetish-type. I've seen your drawings. You know what I think? You just want an excuse. An excuse to complain and bring attention to yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing it up in every. Damn. Topic.

[Kaebora]

I already don't like where this is going.

The original discussion already reached a conclusion. Furries are a fanbase, not a system of society.

For the sake of everyone's integrity and honor, which will inevitably be ripped to shreads with the growing angst and personal attacks of the post-argument, this thread is LOCKED. The argument barely has anything to do with the thread subject anymore. If anyone wishes to dispute this, PM me or an admin. Considering that myself and Shadow Wulf already had edited a few posts for language control here, I consider this to be dousing the campfire before it burns the forest.

For further discussion of the above posts, I advise to keep it in Private Messeges.

[Shadow Wulf]

Agreed.

And thank you, Set. For giving us a piece of your mind....again.