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Masturbation and porn ruins families, and also makes people not able to have a normal relationship with the opposite sex.
You could take me through the process on that one? Could it ruin a family if it were not part of your religion?
Please explain to me the logical process on how that would ruin a family?
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Well the porn part is easy enough to explain. When one person in the relationship uses it, it can alienate his/her partner. Especially for females there is a feeling that you just could never compete with the perfectly shaped women in the images and feelings of being rejected in favor of something that isn't even real. It's like your partner is saying "I find a video more attractive than you".

But for couples who agree to look at it together I don't think that there is any argument against it if we're not going into morality.

Also I personally don't see anything wrong with masturbation either as long as you aren't doing that instead of sharing a physical relationship with your mate. I don't even believe it is a sin, because there is nothing in the Bible about it and I don't think that God would make us guess what's a sin and what isn't- that's just mean. But we're not talking about religion, are we? :P
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It seems Anubis and I agree about one thing, on the most part.

If you don't want a baby...don't have sex.

Making a baby, and then killing it before it's born because you don't want it just is not right.

(...but I have reservations about Condemning drastic forms of Birth-Control ENTIRELY, for off-topic reasons that I will not mention now)



On my disapproval of "Sex for Fun"...

When referring to a thing that is Abuseable, if it is used Appropriately at least more than TWICE as often as it is used inappropriately, then I can deal with that. ANYTHING can be abused.

...but my observation is that "Recreational Sex" is a thing that is abused at least 3-5 Times more often than it is used appropriately.

In such a situation, I think it is not only appropriate but necessary to discourage the act entirely, and continue to discourage it until people learn to stop being so stupid about it.


The excuse "It CAN be good" just isn't good enough if it is causing more agony and suffering than positive benefit. IMHO
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Vuldari wrote:It seems Anubis and I agree about one thing, on the most part.

If you don't want a baby...don't have sex.
Count me in on that one too.
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Babies, babies, babies. It's always about babies. :roll:

There's no mention of how it makes people's bonds stronger. And it does. Granted, you can do that with something like snuggling, but a relationship isn't going to last if the people in it are bored. Some people will be if there's no sex.
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Set wrote:So the most important thing we can do in life is squirt out offspring on an already overcrowded planet into a crappy environment with incompetent twits for parents and let them grow up to be just as screwed up and planet-damaging as everyone else, maybe even more so?

And this is a good thing...why?

You really want a baby? Adopt one. There are PLENTY of children out there who need homes. You don't need to go producing your own spawn. There are far too many kids who don't get adopted as it is.

And I find it quite pigheaded of you to only blame the woman for it. It takes two to make a baby, idiot. If you're even going to be bringing it up you should also tell the males to keep it in their damn pants.
You are one angry girl aren't you?

The world is not screwed up as you think, also it's usually the woman's choice what to do with the developing fetus.

When you abort a baby, your taking a human life, and it's murder! You might as well stab a random person, because there is no difference between that and abortion.

Truthfully I don't give a flying f*** about women's rights on this issue. It's some else's life, in which no one has a right to say if they can live or die. It may be your life, and your choice, but it affects some else's god given right to exist!

No human has the right to say who lives and who dies, that god's territory! and even if you don't believe in god or what ever, still! No one has the right to say who dies.

Once the sperm has fused with the egg, that is the point of no return. Its a living human person not a tumor!

It boils down to one thing a one thing only...

No one never has the right to say who lives, and who dies
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Dreamer wrote:By the way, I wanted to mention how horriffically hyppocritical it is that Anubis uses his religion to hate on homosexuality, but in his fiction he keeps saying how horrible it is that werewolves are being called spawn of the devil by religious fantatics.
Wait a frigging moment here!

I never said that I hated gays, I have two friends that are gay! White Paw can vouge for that, we're friends!

I just stated what my religion views homosexuality, not my own. I don't hate any one over superficial a stupid reasons, like race, religion, and sexual orientation.

And on the statement where i yelled...
IF YOU DON'T WANT A KID, PUT THE ONE IN YOUR BELLY UP FOR ADOPTION, AND KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED, YOU STUPID B***H!!
I'm sorry about that, and i know now that i taken it a little too far with that. I claim responsibility and i apologize.

Also I'm not saying that the father has nothing to do with this. My emphasis was, that it's ultimately the mother's decision to do with the developing baby.
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And sorry too tripple post but i think that this thread should be locked.

It's starting to become an ugly flame war.
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Set wrote:Babies, babies, babies. It's always about babies. :roll:

There's no mention of how it makes people's bonds stronger. And it does. Granted, you can do that with something like snuggling, but a relationship isn't going to last if the people in it are bored. Some people will be if there's no sex.
If the relationship can not last without sex, then it is not love ... only lust and passion.

My Grandmother Bores me to tears...but I love her dearly, and I would never abandon her for anything...especially something so stupid and trivial as "Boredom".
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*nods in agreement* true, my grandparents have been married for 47 years and from what i know of, only had sex 2-3 times
now that true love to me
if you need a physical interaction just to feel loved then i dont know
i mean look at marriages now adays, where you can do anything you want
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88% said they were completely or very satisfied with their marriages.
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In terms of both divorce and marital happiness, marriages that were preceded by cohabitation are less successful than those that were not.
also noticed during this paticular quote that money, Sex problems(cheating) and lack of comminment are causes for divorces, so just have a good sex life dosnt prove true love
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I never said it did. :P The only statement I made was that some people need something other than love to keep them happy.

Funny you should bring up marriage. I honestly think it does nothing but cause problems, but that's an entirely different topic.
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Vuldari wrote: The excuse "It CAN be good" just isn't good enough if it is causing more agony and suffering than positive benefit. IMHO
Which leads back to my Football example. By that logic, ban that sport, no? I mean, the lives lost due to the overly passionate fans can't be worth the fun of the game, right? :P

Frankly, I think when it comes to "recreational sex", people should be educated on the potential dangers - physical and emotional - and the potential benefits, and left to their own devices.

Should they experience agony, suffering, etc. after that, well. Sorry. As cold-hearted as it sounds, you have to own up to your choices.
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I could go for banning football. :lol:
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Set wrote:I never said it did. :P The only statement I made was that some people need something other than love to keep them happy.

Funny you should bring up marriage. I honestly think it does nothing but cause problems, but that's an entirely different topic.
yes some, but not the majority
dont forget about the houslers who only pretend to want love but after they bang the girl they leave
but as you see the majority of the people want commintent in there relationship/marrige
not sexual intercourse
(by the way earlier in the topic you said somthing about me not liking your opinion, it wasnt that but it was the way you worded it thats all, sorry if you got the wrong idea)
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Anubis wrote:
Dreamer wrote:By the way, I wanted to mention how horriffically hyppocritical it is that Anubis uses his religion to hate on homosexuality, but in his fiction he keeps saying how horrible it is that werewolves are being called spawn of the devil by religious fantatics.
Wait a frigging moment here!

I never said that I hated gays, I have two friends that are gay! White Paw can vouge for that, we're friends!

I just stated what my religion views homosexuality, not my own. I don't hate any one over superficial a stupid reasons, like race, religion, and sexual orientation.
Kay, I understand now. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Aki wrote:
Vuldari wrote: The excuse "It CAN be good" just isn't good enough if it is causing more agony and suffering than positive benefit. IMHO
Which leads back to my Football example. By that logic, ban that sport, no? I mean, the lives lost due to the overly passionate fans can't be worth the fun of the game, right? :P

Frankly, I think when it comes to "recreational sex", people should be educated on the potential dangers - physical and emotional - and the potential benefits, and left to their own devices.

Should they experience agony, suffering, etc. after that, well. Sorry. As cold-hearted as it sounds, you have to own up to your choices.
I have been to and participated in Football games (both AM Football and Soccer), and no one I know personally has died from it, and those that broke bones laughed about it later. The number of people positively affected by the sport significantly outweighs those that are hurt where I live. Banning is not at all called for here... however, if some other aria is abusing it more than usual, regional bans can make sense.

You don't see mass riots about Football games here in the us like is common overseas. ...not even 1/100 as often, at least.

It all depends on how it is being used.

It has been proven that airplanes can be abused in far worse ways, but it happens too rarely to justify banning aircraft altogether.
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*cough* hockey riots *cough*
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Set wrote:Babies, babies, babies. It's always about babies. :roll:

There's no mention of how it makes people's bonds stronger. And it does. Granted, you can do that with something like snuggling, but a relationship isn't going to last if the people in it are bored. Some people will be if there's no sex.
Actually, I'd have to agree with that to some degree. An semi-active marital sex life makes a marrage more emotionally healthy. However, too much sex could feel too ruteine, and lose it's emotional purpose. I don't imagine that is too common though. So... not to little, not too much. The Bible never said marital sex is wrong in any way shape or form. Just pre-marital, and adultry are the big Biblical sex no-no's.
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Vuldari wrote:
Aki wrote:
Vuldari wrote: The excuse "It CAN be good" just isn't good enough if it is causing more agony and suffering than positive benefit. IMHO
Which leads back to my Football example. By that logic, ban that sport, no? I mean, the lives lost due to the overly passionate fans can't be worth the fun of the game, right? :P

Frankly, I think when it comes to "recreational sex", people should be educated on the potential dangers - physical and emotional - and the potential benefits, and left to their own devices.

Should they experience agony, suffering, etc. after that, well. Sorry. As cold-hearted as it sounds, you have to own up to your choices.
I have been to and participated in Football games (both AM Football and Soccer), and no one I know personally has died from it, and those that broke bones laughed about it later. The number of people positively affected by the sport significantly outweighs those that are hurt where I live. Banning is not at all called for here... however, if some other aria is abusing it more than usual, regional bans can make sense.

You don't see mass riots about Football games here in the us like is common overseas. ...not even 1/100 as often, at least.
Yes, it's not bad in America, but it is in Europe and such.

Alright, more common example for America. Cars. Tons of misuse to be found there, and a lot of injuries and dead people because of it. Statistics show, in fact, one in three Americans will be injured or killed in a car crash. That's more than 33%.
It all depends on how it is being used.
Same with "recreational sex" or driving. Cars are great used properly. Improperly they're rolling death machines capable of snuffing out a number of lives in a short period with the most minimal of mistakes, causing more agony and suffering via the emotional pain of loss and anger.
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I think that the Catholics view on sex stemmed from Times long long ago when they were viewed as a minority and were oppressed. Those who oppressed Christianity were usually very liberal with what they did to their reproductive organs. Therefore, they placed those actions that their oppressors had done (regarding sex) as wrong and immoral.

If the past were completely different for Christianity, I'm sure that the views regarding sex would also be different.
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Old Tesimate views on sex were open, but kept within the bounds of marraige. New Testimate views on sex are more sacred, and much less open. This is a clear example of the changing of human views in the timeline of the Bible. It is also one of the many things that people claim the bible contradicts itself in. I allow this logic in the Bible for one reason. It was dictated by God, but written by man. Imperfect beings write imperfectly, but the fundamentals of sinless sex is still very clear.
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Aki wrote:Same with "recreational sex" or driving. Cars are great used properly. Improperly they're rolling death machines capable of snuffing out a number of lives in a short period with the most minimal of mistakes, causing more agony and suffering via the emotional pain of loss and anger.
Exactly.

Alot of people misunderstand me when I protest something that is being abused. My opinion on these things is always that, if people stopped abusing them so much, I would have nothing to protest.

That goes for Sex, Drugs, Guns...whatever...


...but way too many people use those things stupidly on a regular basis...so I have plenty to complain and protest about.
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Aki wrote:
Same with "recreational sex" or driving. Cars are great used properly. Improperly they're rolling death machines capable of snuffing out a number of lives in a short period with the most minimal of mistakes, causing more agony and suffering via the emotional pain of loss and anger.
Hmmmmm....improper use of cars can cause death.

You should know that "[s]guns[/s] Cars don't kill people. People with [s]guns[/s] cars kill people.

Is it the same for "Improper sex?"

I know there's a risk of catching a sexually transmitted disease by the use of "improper sex." But...are you willing to take that risk? Hmmm? Is having sex worth it?

You take risks when you drive. Do you know if you are going to make it to your destination without getting into a wreak? Do you "really" need to get to your destination by car? What about the train? The bus? or taxi? There are other alternatives to get where you're going. Each as its own "risk."

There's an alternative if you want to conceive a child without "sex." (artificial insemination) That has its own risk as well.



Us males should be glad that our lives are not at stake while "having sex."

Look at this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYp_Xi4AtAQ

Are you willing to risk your life to pass on your genes? Would it still be worth it?

There are many other things that can make someone think "sex" is not worth doing besides religion.
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Post by Teh_DarkJokerWolf »

You can't catch anything from having different forms of sex..You catch it if your partners has something..It's sad though alot of folks do that..They don't care who gets what..If you have sex in any kind of way you should assume yourself an your partner you are clean whether through words of trust, or I guess paperwork they got from their doctor..Now the crime in that as I said before is doing an act an passing some nasty crap onto someone else an telling them nothing..Now that I can see anyone hating :P
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... For me, this is how I view it. I do not belong to a religion. Hence my views come from my parents and reading lots of books, prominently Heinlein's books.

Love forms bonds between people. It's irrelevant who these poeple are or what gender.

Love is good.

Ok, we can agree on that part, right?

Sex is there (originally) to make kids!

Love and sex combine... to make kids... and then have a mother and a father to care for the kids.

That's what nature says.

Now we can go beyond this. Since we occupy a unique position as mammals in that both genders can take physical pleasure from it.

Ok, now we have two reasons for sex: making kids, and, it's fun.

We can agree on this, I think. Now hold on and let me keep going.

So long as the sex is for making kids, the religious arguments largely apply. Basically religious arguments are designed to:

-Make sure there's a mom and a dad, married, there to take care of the kids
-Make sure mom and dad trust each other enough that the kids are theirs
-Make sure the kids grow up

That's what religion says. And if your religion won't say this, take a closer look. Because I can't think any religion would survive without those basic tenets.

Now, we can go beyond this one too. SINCE not all sex results in kids, most often sex is there for people to have fun, rather than making kids.

OK, back to love.

You can express your love for someone through various ways, one of which is physical pleasure. Sex is usually taken as an ultimate in physical pleasure.

So long as the sex is NOT there to make kids, why not use it for pleasure, to express your love for someone.

At this point most of you will be going, "EWWW! BUT I DON'T WANNA DO THAT WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T MY GIRLFRIEND!" (Or boyfriend, but it messes up the caps to say that)

Great, don't do it with them. But you do realize the reason that you don't want to is that they're either not genetically compatible with you or you can't have sex with them. That's nature. But that's not the point, assume said person is whomever is appropriate for you.

So let's combine this, shall we? It's okay, in my view, to have sex with someone (so long as you are both consenting adults) so long as:

-If you are currently in a relationship that would be affected, you have scoped out the ramifications and acknowledge them
-You're taking precautions against disease
-If you're taking the risk of having a kid, you're...
---genetically compatible (this is why incest is generally bad)
---prepared to take care of said kid

Religion frown on recreational sex becuase it WILL destroy the fabric of relationships if it's not done with love.

Sex without love is nothing more than following an instinct
Sex with love is good.

I invite you all to read some heinlein books.
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