Dont worry guys, just carry on with your discussion. I cant give my opinion at the moment because my mind feels distracted and Im tired from playing soccer today, I also hurt my leg a bit.
EDIT: I think a wolf would mainly think about its basic instincts and simple pleasures, and at the same time have deep relations and emotions with one another.
How can there be thoughts without words?
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You know if you took a human, removed the society and words and unnatural stress and morals and all that crap, what you'd be left with is pretty much the same thought process. Just an animal trying to survive.
So, basic things. Pictures, feelings, sounds, smells, sensations. Things like how good the food was or how angry you were because your brother stole your favorite stick. It's not complicated.
So, basic things. Pictures, feelings, sounds, smells, sensations. Things like how good the food was or how angry you were because your brother stole your favorite stick. It's not complicated.
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I think that Matt will agree that wolves think-but then dogs think as well.
We see more of the canid to canid mindsets in Wolves than in dogs, but we bred them to be that way.
I will go out on a limb here and say I have personally seen what I would call moral, abstract thinking in some Wolves, but then that's one specific pack of human reared Wolves; not the ones found actually in the wild.
SO...the potential is there (in "Processing capacity"). Whether it actually appears in wild wolves, I have not seen, but the capacity is there, nonetheless.
Here's a good question: Wolves live in a world different from the one we occupy: would we recognize moral thought in any case? They are alien to our conceptions of most things.
They think, decidedly so. You don't need words to think: you need "Processing power" to think, and Wolves have that, moreso than dogs.
We see more of the canid to canid mindsets in Wolves than in dogs, but we bred them to be that way.
I will go out on a limb here and say I have personally seen what I would call moral, abstract thinking in some Wolves, but then that's one specific pack of human reared Wolves; not the ones found actually in the wild.
SO...the potential is there (in "Processing capacity"). Whether it actually appears in wild wolves, I have not seen, but the capacity is there, nonetheless.
Here's a good question: Wolves live in a world different from the one we occupy: would we recognize moral thought in any case? They are alien to our conceptions of most things.
They think, decidedly so. You don't need words to think: you need "Processing power" to think, and Wolves have that, moreso than dogs.
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RedEye wrote: Here's a good question: Wolves live in a world different from the one we occupy: would we recognize moral thought in any case? They are alien to our conceptions of most things.
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Morality can often get strained by hunger, I agree. Filling your belly in order to survive can transcend morality, with simple survival instinct; and wolves have that in plenty.
If, however, I see a Wolf eat a vegeburger in place of a nice fat rabbit-out of choice-I'm saying they're People (and dumb!). Rabbit's delicious!
If, however, I see a Wolf eat a vegeburger in place of a nice fat rabbit-out of choice-I'm saying they're People (and dumb!). Rabbit's delicious!
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