Genetic Diversity

Ochiba · Post by **Ochiba** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:09 am

What about a witch curse?

Apokryltaros · Post by **Apokryltaros** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:25 am

Nah.
I've read some French stories about witches cursing people to turn into werewolves...
One involved a Hugenot who just got hairy, while another involved a belt and cursed candy. Neither seemed terribly interesting.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:27 am

Apokryltaros wrote:So, taking a different perspective of the infectious nature of lycanthropy, why not, instead of a virus causing lycanthropy, why not a mutagen?
That is, rather than worry about a virus injecting genetic materials, why not have a protein or enzyme that either changes the necessary genes, without having to worry about turning the person into a clone of the infector or having the genes be inserted in the wrong place and cause some colossally catastrophic cancer, etc, or cause the cellular structure to become altered, like, prions, but nowhere near as unpleasantly fatal.

The trouble with that is, the shape of a wolf is very complex, and the "trasferable state of being" which is Lycanthropy would require a very complex and specific set of instructions for the body to tell it how to change from one shape to another and back again.

I don't know much about the process of Mutation, but as I understand it, all substances with mutanagenic qualities tend to have fairly unpredicatable results...changing random parts of the DNA which may cause the increased, or halted production of certain protiens and chemicals from those affected cells, which will cause abnormal, stunted or variant growth in those regions. It could make you bald, or hairier, or change your hair color, or change the texture of your skin...but most likely just produce a tumor of some sort.

Although the potential effects of a mutagen could, supposedly, cause all of the effects which result in the change from a human to a wolfish form, there are no mutagens that could cause such specific and consistant results every time. ...especially all at once. The chemical agents involved would have to contain a complex code of instructions to follow...and the only chemical/biological anomalies that I know of with those traits are DNA/RNA ETC...

...and the most common (or pehaps "only") example in nature of such coding imprinting itself upon a foreign host is the natural behavior of a "VIRUS".

We may not like the comparison...but it does seem to make the most sense.

Apokryltaros · Post by **Apokryltaros** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:34 am

It's not that I don't like the idea of a virus, it's just that I decided, for once, to take a new perspective.
It's like, some elements of a subject, I'll deem sancrosect and view any change as heresy (Only 9 feet tall? That small?), and other elements, I say, "Tinker, tinker, tinker!"
I mean, true, to have a mutagenic agent, rather than a virus, might be less, well, predictable, but, I dunno.
I don't think that a lycanthrope-inducing virus would necessarily cause a person to look completely identical to, or even develop some identical traits to the progenitor of the virus.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:57 am

Apokryltaros wrote:I mean, true, to have a mutagenic agent, rather than a virus, might be less, well, predictable, but, I dunno.
I don't think that a lycanthrope-inducing virus would necessarily cause a person to look completely identical to, or even develop some identical traits to the progenitor of the virus.

At the very least, the traits that make the alternate form "WOLF" shaped would have to be re-created in the new host.

Fur could come out in colors and patterns completely different from the Original Werewolf or the host humans features, and the muzzle could be shorter or longer than usual, the teeth and claws could be variant colors, the fur length and texture could vary, as well as numerous other "cosmetic" traits...

...but if there was not at least SOME amount of Mimicry and Consistancy from one host to another, there would be nothing stoping a Werewolf from spawing a WereLion...or WereGorilla...or WereWookie...if it was all just random. SOME consistant traits would need to be caried from one new Werewolf to the next.

...but I applaud your effort to look at this from a new angle. I am positive there are plenty of "unconventional" possibilities that we have not even considered yet.

I am not saying that your idea is invalid or ireddemably flawed...just inclomplete.

Mutation is not a simple as the old "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" Cartoon (a classic favorite of mine), made it out to be.
(In that show...all one had to do is touch any Animal...then touch the Glowing Green Goo... and they would instantly "mutate" into a hybrid/anthropomorphic form of that creature.)

[Side Note:]

Apokryltaros wrote:(Only 9 feet tall? That Small?)

Do you realize just how absurdly HUGE 9 feet tall would be? On all fours, they would be about the size of a Horse...but Shaggier...and weigh almost half a TON. ...that's just silly... [/Side Note]

Vilkacis · Post by **Vilkacis** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:25 am

Vuldari wrote:Do you realize just how absurdly HUGE 9 feet tall would be? On all fours, they would be about the size of a Horse...but Shaggier...and weigh almost half a TON. ...that's just silly...

Hey, I wouldn't mind seeing that at all!

-- Vilkacis

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:28 am

Vilkacis wrote:
Vuldari wrote:Do you realize just how absurdly HUGE 9 feet tall would be? On all fours, they would be about the size of a Horse...but Shaggier...and weigh almost half a TON. ...that's just silly...
Hey, I wouldn't mind seeing that at all!

-- Vilkacis

I've seen bigger. In Vampire Hunter D, the werewolf was so big, it carried off a horse in its mouth!!

JonathanBaine · Post by **JonathanBaine** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:54 pm

Just wondering,I'm 12 nationalities.Three happen to be

Would you think it would change the apearence of the change? Maybe I'd be a rainbow were....of course, that sound's kind of..no wait....not what I meant.

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:10 am

JonathanBaine wrote:Just wondering,I'm 12 nationalities.Three happen to be
Would you think it would change the apearence of the change? Maybe I'd be a rainbow were....of course, that sound's kind of..no wait....not what I meant.

Nah. I doubt nationality would effect the look of the Were much. Most human differances are in the body's general size or skin tone, and such. Things one would hardly notice.

Apokryltaros · Post by **Apokryltaros** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:13 am

Aki wrote:
JonathanBaine wrote:Just wondering,I'm 12 nationalities.Three happen to be
Would you think it would change the apearence of the change? Maybe I'd be a rainbow were....of course, that sound's kind of..no wait....not what I meant.
Nah. I doubt nationality would effect the look of the Were much. Most human differances are in the body's general size or skin tone, and such. Things one would hardly notice.

At most, it would probably affect the fur-color.

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:39 pm

Vuldari wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Vuldari wrote:
Changing gender durring a shift? ...I can admit to being curious about the idea, but in the long run...Naaaaa.

And its silly!!!

No NO NO NO!
Agreed.

who ever thought of werewolves changing sex should be hung by his sack!!!

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:07 pm

wolf marine wrote:
Vuldari wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Vuldari wrote:
Changing gender durring a shift? ...I can admit to being curious about the idea, but in the long run...Naaaaa.

And its silly!!!

No NO NO NO!
Agreed.
who ever thought of werewolves changing sex should be hung by his sack!!!

That picture is now going to replace Hanibal in my nightmares, that just hurts to think about ow! That's disturbing for the love of god don't mention that again.

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:35 pm

he should be hung by his ball sack

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:57 pm

Just because Mr. Gardener said it just as a theory to the unknown, does by know means mean that he should be hung by his sack, that would be like hanging Einstien or Devinci for there contraverscial and odd theries that go against the mobs view of how the world works. Not that I'am saying i would want to be a girl werewolf, that would be disturbing even more then someone being hung by there sack. Iam just defending his right to say what his ideas are.

Oh god I sound like a lawyer get it off get it off!

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:03 pm

dude chill, reson i said it well its gross and its not right, and i stating my right to say how it annoys me.

DAMN IT!!! now i sound like a loyar, thanks alot!!

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:09 pm

I know I just went into rant mode, wich gets people into thinking iam angry wich iam not, I have a very long temper. If you could talk to me face to face you would know that i didn't show the emotion of anger wich on me is very easy to see.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:10 pm

wolf marine wrote:dude chill, reson i said it well its gross and its not right, and i stating my right to say how it annoys me.

DAMN IT!!! now i sound like a loyar, thanks alot!!

we all have the same constitutional rights as american citizens to have freedom of speech, as said from the amendments. crap now I SOUND LIKE A LOYER

. IM SUEING!!!

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:14 pm

Shadow Wulf wrote:
wolf marine wrote:dude chill, reson i said it well its gross and its not right, and i stating my right to say how it annoys me.

DAMN IT!!! now i sound like a loyar, thanks alot!!
we all have the same constitutional rights as american citizens to have freedom of speech, as said from the amendments. crap now I SOUND LIKE A LOYER . IM SUEING!!!

loyarism is contaigis! help me before i sew mc donalds for fat chicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! may god have mercy on our misseribe moratal souls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:18 pm

wolf marine wrote:
Shadow Wulf wrote:
wolf marine wrote:dude chill, reson i said it well its gross and its not right, and i stating my right to say how it annoys me.

DAMN IT!!! now i sound like a loyar, thanks alot!!
we all have the same constitutional rights as american citizens to have freedom of speech, as said from the amendments. crap now I SOUND LIKE A LOYER . IM SUEING!!!
loyarism is contaigis! help me before i sew mc donalds for fat chicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! may god have mercy on our misseribe moratal souls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh god no wolf marine has become dare I say it noooooo! A werelawyer, he chants lawsuits in the night, and spreads his curse through restraining orders!

Lupin · Post by **Lupin** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:23 pm

Vuldari wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Vuldari wrote:
Changing gender durring a shift? ...I can admit to being curious about the idea, but in the long run...Naaaaa.

And its silly!!!

No NO NO NO!
Agreed.

I'd say no just because we're already stretching reality pretty thin by turning people into wolves.

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:24 pm

sir i have a law suit for spelling my name wrong its wolf mArine not wolf mErine. *howls the consitution*

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:26 pm

Damn found out, i mean what are you talking about *slams door and runs*

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:31 pm

Fenrir wrote:Damn found out, i mean what are you talking about *slams door and runs*

breaks in and hands him a resteraining order, fenrir- nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! i'm a wereloyar!!
me-MUU H A HA HA HA HA

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:34 pm

um excuse me mister mArine this is marked to Fenris, a completely different spelling of the same norse myth and no i didn't misspell your name.

(thanks forum founders for putting an edit button)
Hah you can't prove anything
Oh crap! now I sound like a politician! Ah it burns!

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:37 pm

Fenrir wrote:um excuse me mister mArine this is marked to Fenris, a completely different spelling of the same norse myth and no i didn't misspell your name.

(thanks forum founders for putting an edit button)
Hah you can't prove anything
Oh crap! now I sound like a politician! Ah it burns!

oh now your worse than a wereloyar you're a weredemocrate!!! RUUUUUUN!!!