Random Scenes You'd Like to See in Freeborn

hydrocarbon · Post by **hydrocarbon** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:43 am

Oh oh oh - an SAS-style/commando soldier, fully kitted out in body armour, HUD, all the bells and whistles etc., armed only with a knife, duking it out with a werewolf in midform.

AND they both know a variety of martial arts. Teh!

(nothing to do with Freeborn, just a random scene that keeps playing out in my mind when I listen to too of much Hans Zimmer's music. I should probably draw it...)

Leighlia · Post by **Leighlia** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:27 pm

I thought this was supposed to be all about the scenes you'd like to see IN freeborn, not in general.

Anyway, I'd like to see a scene where Jack has to make her into one of them and then she is the one who rips the head off the guy who wanted to force Jacks hand in changing her.

Yeah yeah, I know, this goes back to some of those first posts of female kicking male butt and really having to work at it. I liked that idea, but I like it better when it's specific.

Lupin · Post by **Lupin** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:00 pm

ABrownrigg wrote:There is a werewolf against werewolf battle in the film towards the end. Although its a little lopsided, being two werewolves against one werewolf.. but hey no everyone gets even odds.

Cool

I can't wait to see that scene!

Figarou wrote:Hmmm... it better be a werewolf vs werewolf in full gestalt form. Not no partial transformation or something like that fight scene at the end of "Cursed."

Yeah, that had to be the lamest werewolf fight scene ever. It really shouldn't count.

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:28 pm

Leighlia wrote:I thought this was supposed to be all about the scenes you'd like to see IN freeborn, not in general.

Excelsia wrote: Also, these don't HAVE to apply to Freeborn. If you think of a cool scene you'd love to see in a werewolf movie that you don't think would be appropriate for Freeborn, you can post it anyway.

Whether it applies to Freeborn specifically or not is fine. After all, we never know when some other director might happen by this forum and use some of the ideas that we've shared that just wouldn't work for Freeborn.

Ultraken · Post by **Ultraken** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 3:24 am

iolarnula wrote:Oh oh oh - an SAS-style/commando soldier, fully kitted out in body armour, HUD, all the bells and whistles etc., armed only with a knife, duking it out with a werewolf in midform.

I personally would like to see them as partners.

("Can't we all just get along?")

My werecreatures are meant to be people--not monsters, not animals--even when they are furry/feathery/scaly, strong, fast, and tough. I have them wearing clothes, carrying weapons, and acting like intelligent beings. They don't treat shapeshifting as a big deal, which is understandable given that everyone in their world can do it. Outsiders don't react quite the same way...

While that is all pretty much off-topic, it's the kind of thing I do want to see instead of the usual "raaarrrr!" unthinking monster. I also don't want to see the Werewolf: the Apocalypse anti-technology, anti-civilization, and even anti-human attitude. I'd rather see werecreatures as heroes in the traditional sense, loyal to family and friends, and trustworthy allies to those few outsiders who gain their trust. By the same token, they should also see the benefit of civilization and even modern technology, using whatever they can to make their lives easier--just like regular people.

iolarnula wrote:(nothing to do with Freeborn, just a random scene that keeps playing out in my mind when I listen to too of much Hans Zimmer's music. I should probably draw it...)

And I've been listening to too much of the Emerald Sword Saga series of albums by Rhapsody (Legendary Tales, Symphony Of Enchanted Land, Dawn of Victory, Rain Of A Thousand Flames, Power Of The Dragonflame, and Symphony Of Enchanted Land II - The Dark Secret). It's a very fantasy-movie-soundrack blend of classical, folk, and pounding metal. (Sort of like Kull the Conqueror, actually, but more epic-sounding.)

(I've been using that sound as inspiration for the kind of feel I'd like to have in a game, though mostly for intense "set piece" battles instead of all the time.)

hydrocarbon · Post by **hydrocarbon** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:46 am

Ultraken: Never said the werewolf wasn't intelligent and sentient, y'know...and how do you know they won't end up being allies sometime later, eh?

EDIT: Hey, maybe they're having a lover's tiff

Leighlia · Post by **Leighlia** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:50 pm

Excelsia wrote: Also, these don't HAVE to apply to Freeborn. If you think of a cool scene you'd love to see in a werewolf movie that you don't think would be appropriate for Freeborn, you can post it anyway.

Sorry Excelsia...guess I missed that part. My appologizes.

Leighlia · Post by **Leighlia** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:01 pm

Excelsia wrote: Also, these don't HAVE to apply to Freeborn. If you think of a cool scene you'd love to see in a werewolf movie that you don't think would be appropriate for Freeborn, you can post it anyway.

Sorry Excelsia...guess I missed that part. My appologizes.

I can't figure out how to delete one of these!!

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:25 pm

Leighlia wrote:
Excelsia wrote: Also, these don't HAVE to apply to Freeborn. If you think of a cool scene you'd love to see in a werewolf movie that you don't think would be appropriate for Freeborn, you can post it anyway.
Sorry Excelsia...guess I missed that part. My appologizes.

It's cool.

No worries.

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:07 am

Also...though this isn't a scene specifically, there is another thing I'd like to mention that I'd like to see in Freeborn.

From what I understand, there will be nudity in Freeborn. Not the gratuitous kind, but there nonetheless.

If there is going to be female nudity, there should be male nudity too. Was anyone else pissed off about how The Howling had full frontal female nudity, but yet well-placed flames to cover the male nudity? In the same scene?!

Honestly, that was just ridiculous.

It's not that I'm a huge fan of male genitalia. They aren't exactly pretty. But, it's really a matter of principle. If men in the audience get to oggle some nude female, I should have the opportunity to do the same with a male. Also, the nudity should be of equal...quality. Having some hot female naked and some ugly man naked isn't gonna cut it. If there is a hot nude female, there should be a hot nude male.

Let me reiterate: I'm not trying to be immature here. I'm not demanding male nudity for the sake of it. I want fairness and equality. Males may have trouble understanding this, but trust me, from a female point of view, this trend in Hollywood is really, really unfair. [/b]

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:30 am

I agree with you totally on that point Excelsia.

It really doen't make sense that a females private parts should be shown more readily than a males bits. Both are just as private. Showing a mans penis really is not any more offensive or dirty than showing a womans breasts or naked groin...when you get down to fundamentals.

Allthough, I generally would prefer to not see either at all, unless there was a genuinely good reason for it. ...another point I think we could both agree on.

Fair's Fair though...

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:59 am

Excelsia wrote:Also...though this isn't a scene specifically, there is another thing I'd like to mention that I'd like to see in Freeborn.

From what I understand, there will be nudity in Freeborn. Not the gratuitous kind, but there nonetheless.

If there is going to be female nudity, there should be male nudity too. Was anyone else pissed off about how The Howling had full frontal female nudity, but yet well-placed flames to cover the male nudity? In the same scene?! Honestly, that was just ridiculous.

It's not that I'm a huge fan of male genitalia. They aren't exactly pretty. But, it's really a matter of principle. If men in the audience get to oggle some nude female, I should have the opportunity to do the same with a male. Also, the nudity should be of equal...quality. Having some hot female naked and some ugly man naked isn't gonna cut it. If there is a hot nude female, there should be a hot nude male.

Let me reiterate: I'm not trying to be immature here. I'm not demanding male nudity for the sake of it. I want fairness and equality. Males may have trouble understanding this, but trust me, from a female point of view, this trend in Hollywood is really, really unfair. [/b]

yuck...whats with you and genitalia? You started a thread on werewolf genitalia and now you continue with male and female nudity? Please stop. Its disturbing!!

I really don't need to see the female vagina before she shifts into Gestalt form. Freeborn is a drama....not a sex porn film.

Yes...there will be nudity. There can be ways of letting people know a person is naked without actually seeing the private parts. Ever see a shampoo comercial? All you see is the shoulders and above. But in your mind, you know that person is naked because they need to remove the clothes to take a shower.

If you see "Werewolf Hunter-Legend of Romasanta" there is nudity in that. You see boobs on this one woman as she is bathing. You also see a man running naked in the woods. You can clearly see his....."you know what"..as he is running. I didn't need to see that!! It was gross!!

Enough with the private parts. Please.

Lupin · Post by **Lupin** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:04 am

Vuldari wrote:Allthough, I generally would prefer to not see either at all, unless there was a genuinely good reason for it. ...another point I think we could both agree on.

I figure there might be some for shifting and whatnot, (since expirenced werewolves would take off their clothes) but that most of the nudity would be from wolf/gestalt werewolves, so you're not going to see anything.

WereDog · Post by **WereDog** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:02 am

Shadowblaze wrote:
Lupin wrote:
Reilune wrote:Maybe this would work better for a vampire flick, but...

Random dude: *pulls out silver cross* Back, ye demon!
Werewolf: *looks at cross* ...You think that's gonna protect you?
A slight variation:

Random dude: *pulls out silver cross* Back, ye demon!
Werewolf: Dude, that only works against vampires.
A slight variation:

Random dude: *pulls out silver cross* Back, ye demon!

Werewolf: *eats the cross*

A slight variation:

Random dude: *pulls out silver cross* Back, ye demon!

Werewolf: *eats the cross and the hands of the guy holding them*

i know that it would be fysicaly impossible, but its just a movie

Random dude: dude, you ate my hands!

Werewolf: so?

Figarou wrote:
Excelsia wrote:I wanna see elvis, pelvis!

yuck...whats with you and genitalia? You started a thread on werewolf genitalia and now you continue with male and female nudity? Please stop. Its disturbing!!

I really don't need to see the female vagina before she shifts into Gestalt form. Freeborn is a drama....not a sex porn film.

Yes...there will be nudity. There can be ways of letting people know a person is naked without actually seeing the private parts. Ever see a shampoo comercial? All you see is the shoulders and above. But in your mind, you know that person is naked because they need to remove the clothes to take a shower.

If you see "Werewolf Hunter-Legend of Romasanta" there is nudity in that. You see boobs on this one woman as she is bathing. You also see a man running naked in the woods. You can clearly see his....."you know what"..as he is running. I didn't need to see that!! It was gross!!

Enough with the private parts. Please.

youre being very imature(and im saying that as a person who is propably 15 times younger than you

)

i wonder how it happened that there is almost only female nudity in hollywood movies? its not like there is any difference.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:56 am

WereDog wrote:
youre being very imature(and im saying that as a person who is propably 15 times younger than you )

Me being imature?

Why I outta.... :wetwolf4:

Look...if nudity is required, fine. Do it in a respectfull manner. I don't want people to think Freeborn is some type of porn flick.

Excelsia wrote: If men in the audience get to oggle some nude female, I should have the opportunity to do the same with a male.

This is something I want to avoid. Sure, there is more films with naked women out there. When men "oggle" at the naked chick on the screen, his girlfriend says..."What does she have that I don't have?"

Now women want the opportunity to do the same. What is the girl's boyfriend going to think when he sees a naked man on the screen? "Uhhh...gee..his is bigger than mine!"

Yuck!!! No thanks.

Imature!! Puh-leeze!!

...

WolvenOne · Post by **WolvenOne** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:59 am

hmm... random scenes I'd like to see.

Okay, barring the endless flood of Evil Dead refferences that've just bombarded my mind...

..I'd very much enjoy a scene along the lines of a Werewolf scrambing to get out of sight of a human. Not in a fearful manner of course, more like a "OH CRAP I'm gonna be CAUGHT!" manner.

To me, that'd scream, "living, thinking thing."

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:36 am

iolarnula wrote:Oh oh oh - an SAS-style/commando soldier, fully kitted out in body armour, HUD, all the bells and whistles etc., armed only with a knife, duking it out with a werewolf in midform.

AND they both know a variety of martial arts. Teh!

(nothing to do with Freeborn, just a random scene that keeps playing out in my mind when I listen to too of much Hans Zimmer's music. I should probably draw it...)

They should make a movie out of that.

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:47 am

Hmm. . . I missed the part about "doesn't have to apply to Freeborn," so here's one I'd like to see in a movie other than Freeborn.

*Three vampires, werewolf hunters (or whatever the main antagonist is) ambush a beta werewolf while he is in human form*

*two-minute Jet Li-ish fight sequence in which the werewolf absolutely kicks a***

*one of his opponents staggers to his feet* "Resistance is futile. It's three against one dog. You can't win."

Werewolf: "Hm. It's been pretty one-sided in my favor so far. And just think: I haven't even shifted yet."

---
And here's a few that I wouldn't mind being in Freeborn:

Human / Rookie Werewolf: "What about vampires, are they real too?"
Veteran Werewolf: "If they are, their doing a better job than we are."

Also, I think a great way to make werewolves seem more human than monstrous is to show them doing something a lot of people do but would be embarrassed to admit to. You know, like lip synching to 'Hootie & the Blowfish' while cleaning house or talking like a Monty Python pepperpot while stirring pasta? Everybody does that, right?

*pause*

Right?

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:04 pm

Terastas wrote:
Also, I think a great way to make werewolves seem more human than monstrous is to show them doing something a lot of people do but would be embarrassed to admit to. You know, like lip synching to 'Hootie & the Blowfish' while cleaning house or talking like a Monty Python pepperpot while stirring pasta? Everybody does that, right?

*pause*

Right?

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:56 pm

Vuldari wrote: Allthough, I generally would prefer to not see either at all, unless there was a genuinely good reason for it. ...another point I think we could both agree on.

Of course! I am totally against gratuitous nudity.

And Figarou...no offense man, but you totally missed the point. I don't have an immature, disturbing fascination with genitalia. All I want is some fairness, for a change. I don't particularly want to see anybody naked. But, I am soooo tired of female nudity being flaunted rampantly about the silver screen like it has no value and isn't worth being kept private anymore, while male nudity seems to be held to some higher, secretive standard, as if it is so much more important. Why should the female body be exposed and vulnerable for all to see, while not the male? Frankly, I think it's inequality.

I don't expect you to fully understand where I'm coming from...but I would have thought I could have at least expected you not to imply that I was a pervert.

As to your comment about me starting a genitalia thread...hmm...I wonder why I did that? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the pack has agreed that werewolves shouldn't have the Scooby Doo treatment. In Silver's corner, it is suggested that there will be something there. There is no reason why we shouldn't agree on what it should look like. Frankly, I think the discussion in that thread went really well, and was very mature. Nobody was immature about it. It was an issue that needed to be addressed, and we addressed it very well, and it just so happens that I am one of the few people who has enough audacity to bring it up.

If there is anything that I have in excess, it is audacity and guts, NOT perversion.

Edit: Furthermore, I do NOT want Freeborn to turn into some kind of porn flick, as you seem to imply that I want. Gratuitous nudity is something I despise with a passion. Geez...

Lupin · Post by **Lupin** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:01 pm

Excelsia wrote:As to your comment about me starting a genitalia thread...hmm...I wonder why I did that? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the pack has agreed that werewolves shouldn't have the Scooby Doo treatment. In Silver's corner, it is suggested that there will be something there.

If there is going to be anything there, it would be almost impossible to see.

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:03 pm

Lupin wrote:
Excelsia wrote:As to your comment about me starting a genitalia thread...hmm...I wonder why I did that? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the pack has agreed that werewolves shouldn't have the Scooby Doo treatment. In Silver's corner, it is suggested that there will be something there.

If there is going to be anything there, it would be almost impossible to see.

Nonetheless, that thread was (IMO) still relevant to Freeborn. I certainly wasn't doing it out of any perverse desires.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:16 pm

Excelsia wrote:

And Figarou...no offense man, but you totally missed the point. I don't have an immature, disturbing fascination with genitalia. All I want is some fairness, for a change.

Fairness? There is 2 places on a woman that needs to covered to consider herself not naked. The male has only one place. Out of the 2 places on the woman, one can be shown without having that film be considered a porn flick. Thats the breasts. Thats why you see more topless women in films compared to men without pants.

Excelsia wrote:[I don't expect you to fully understand where I'm coming from...but I would have thought I could have at least expected you not to imply that I was a pervert.

I didn't say you was a pervert.

Excelsia wrote:Edit: Furthermore, I do NOT want Freeborn to turn into some kind of porn flick, as you seem to imply that I want. Gratuitous nudity is something I despise with a passion. Geez...

I didn't say you wanted to turn Freeborn into a porn flick. I'm in the same boat as you are. If nudity is necessary, do it in a reasonable manner.

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:06 pm

Figarou wrote:
Excelsia wrote: And Figarou...no offense man, but you totally missed the point. I don't have an immature, disturbing fascination with genitalia. All I want is some fairness, for a change.

Fairness? There is 2 places on a woman that needs to covered to consider herself not naked. The male has only one place. Out of the 2 places on the woman, one can be shown without having that film be considered a porn flick. Thats the breasts. Thats why you see more topless women in films compared to men without pants.

If indeed there are breasts in Freeborn, but no other private parts, that is certainly reasonable, and understandable. After all, in order to avoid breasts, you would have to pretty much just show shoulders up on a woman, so breasts are almost a given in a film like this. However, it would be absolutely preposterous to display female genitalia and not male. I don’t want either, but if one is present, the other should be as well.

You will recall that one of my examples came from the Howling, when full frontal female nudity was shown, but the directors blatantly hid the male parts with flames. Stuff like that is what really bothers me. If all we see in Freeborn in the way of private parts is breasts, then I wouldn’t consider it unfair.

Figarou wrote:
Excelsia wrote:[I don't expect you to fully understand where I'm coming from...but I would have thought I could have at least expected you not to imply that I was a pervert.
I didn't say you was a pervert.

No, you didn’t actually say that word. But, based on this statement you made, one could certainly see an implication of such:

Figarou wrote: yuck...whats with you and genitalia? You started a thread on werewolf genitalia and now you continue with male and female nudity? Please stop. Its disturbing!!

Perhaps you didn’t mean it that way, but it certainly seemed that way to me. If I have read it wrong, I apologize.

Figarou wrote:
Excelsia wrote:Edit: Furthermore, I do NOT want Freeborn to turn into some kind of porn flick, as you seem to imply that I want. Gratuitous nudity is something I despise with a passion. Geez...
I didn't say you wanted to turn Freeborn into a porn flick. I'm in the same boat as you are. If nudity is necessary, do it in a reasonable manner.

Of course. Any and all nudity should most certainly be reasonable and respectful. However, IMO, the mere presence of genitalia doesn’t constitute a porn flick. Some of the greatest art in the world is of nude people.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:26 pm

Excelsia wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Excelsia wrote:[I don't expect you to fully understand where I'm coming from...but I would have thought I could have at least expected you not to imply that I was a pervert.
I didn't say you was a pervert.
No, you didn’t actually say that word. But, based on this statement you made, one could certainly see an implication of such:

Figarou wrote: yuck...whats with you and genitalia? You started a thread on werewolf genitalia and now you continue with male and female nudity? Please stop. Its disturbing!!

Excelsia wrote:Perhaps you didn’t mean it that way, but it certainly seemed that way to me. If I have read it wrong, I apologize.

I didn't mean it that way. Sorry to have confused you.

I don't like seeing the word "genitalia." I don't have that stuff on my mind. I like to keep myself "clean."

again sorry.

Excelsia wrote:
Of course. Any and all nudity should most certainly be reasonable and respectful. However, IMO, the mere presence of genitalia doesn’t constitute a porn flick. Some of the greatest art in the world is of nude people.

Yes, I know. I've seen a water fountain thats a statue of a man peeing.

1st thing that came to my mind is that I needed to do the same thing!!

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