Wrist pads

Set · Post by **Set** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:37 pm

Maybe this will come across as being too picky about the little details, but that's just the perfectionist in me. Blame the star I was born under.

The poll is a result of this:
http://www.calypso-blue.com/werewolf/vi ... 8294#68294

You can guess my answer.

Vilkacis · Post by **Vilkacis** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:18 pm

This thing?

(Stolen from Goldenwolf)

Personally, I don't mind either way, so long as it doesn't stand out too much. Mostly an aesthetic concern, as I see it.

-- Vilkacis

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:22 pm

I don't think so. If werewolves evolved natualy like any other animal on earth. their would be certain parts of the anotmy would either be more apparent, evolve, or disapear. the pads on the wrist pads would eventualy disapear, while pads develop on parts on the palms. becuase when the wolf became bipedal there is no more need for pads on the wrists and just eventualy disapear. just like us our earlist ansestors had tails but from one reason and an other the tail disapeared into our bodies and became apes.

but i would like them to be there because they look cool

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:49 am

I took the undecided vote, but that was not the best choice on my part, as I forgot that I could read the thread first. The clarification that we're talking about the dealy on the wrist, as opposed to the thenar and hypothenar pads, makes sense. I vote in favor of the thing, as it's a feature on wolves. My own werewolves have them, though I have neglected to include them in my drawings so far. I tend to take the existing wolf pads without adding any extras, except for toes that haven't receded all the way (i.e. retained first toes in almost human form, early in shifting, form claws and pads, and then recede and disappear if shifting further.)

Evolution tends to discard stuff that isn't used. But, it takes awhile; that's why we have an appendix. (I had mine taken out when it tried to explode in my belly back in 1989.) Besides, a werewolf is a creature that assumes the likeness of two discreet pre-existing organisms; usual trends about what should evolve don't neccessarily apply to a Gestalt form werewolf, which is more an amalgamation of the two seperate evolved forms.

CrewWolf · Post by **CrewWolf** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:20 pm

I tend to like the extra pad because it keeps the paw-hand from looking too much like a glove. Otherwise it looks too much like a monkey hand which is a bit too ideal as far as I can tell.

Veruth · Post by **Veruth** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:03 pm

Yeah, I agree. It kinda bridges the gap between human hand and wolf paw. It also makes te gestalt form look more lupine than human, which I like.

Leighlia · Post by **Leighlia** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:14 pm

What I want to know is who voted for the "I like to Vote" one.

Merrypaws · Post by **Merrypaws** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:35 pm

I voted for 'undecided'.

Personally I don't mind it, but I really don't see the use of it either.

Lupin · Post by **Lupin** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:55 pm

Scott Gardener wrote:I vote in favor of the thing, as it's a feature on wolves.

Same here, since the gestalt form is a mix of the two.

white · Post by **white** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:21 pm

Lupin wrote:
Scott Gardener wrote:I vote in favor of the thing, as it's a feature on wolves.
Same here, since the gestalt form is a mix of the two.

Exactly.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:55 am

I gotta go with the whole "it bridges the gap" idea. I like it.

Set · Post by **Set** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:02 pm

CrewWolf wrote:I tend to like the extra pad because it keeps the paw-hand from looking too much like a glove. Otherwise it looks too much like a monkey hand which is a bit too ideal as far as I can tell.

Then, unless someone else drew that avatar you're using, why does it lack the much loved wrist pad?

Timber-WoIf · Post by **Timber-WoIf** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:03 pm

if i had to say, i'd say yes to the pad. however, i wouldn't be too disapointed if it was missing.

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:56 pm

I'm voting a resounding 'NO'. I think it looks absolutely silly. There are logical reasons for both why it should or should not be there. So, as Reilune said in that other thread, it all comes down to aesthetics. And from my point of view, wrist pads are an aesthetic disaster.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:14 pm

Either one works for me.*shrugs*

Silverclaw · Post by **Silverclaw** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:46 pm

It dosent really matter to me I guess.
I'm leaning towards 'yes' though. Kindof nifty lookin

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:51 pm

I wonder if we are going to notice the wrist pad in the 1st place.

Unless there is a scene thats focused on the werewolf's wrist while in gestalt form.

Silverclaw · Post by **Silverclaw** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:01 pm

Well, I thought I heard Jack would be showing his human girlfriend a partial shift of his hand. So their would almost certinly need to be a bit of pad-goodness there

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:05 pm

Silverclaw wrote:Well, I thought I heard Jack would be showing his human girlfriend a partial shift of his hand. So their would almost certinly need to be a bit of pad-goodness there

Hmmm...would a partial shift show the wrist pad?

Silverclaw · Post by **Silverclaw** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:11 pm

Well, it could be budding...

Attention to detail is one thing to look forward to hopefully

Jamie · Post by **Jamie** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:40 pm

I voted "undecided" because I have a weird position on this issue, kind of in the middle. It is anatomically accurate to have them (the front foot "wrist" pad, as I understand it, is a devolved "heel pad" that used to exist, and it is not totally gone because it is still a bit useful as a non-skid device in deep snow or mud). But, we can't always go with anatomically correct. Here are reasons against them:

1) I've noticed that lots of people, the few times they notice these pads on dogs or cats, seem to think it is a surprising thing which shouldn't be there. Therefore, if they see these things in a werewolf movie, it may distract them from the plot and make them think that some kooky anatomical mistake has been made even though it hasn't.

2) On real animals (as opposed to Goldenwolf's art with its oversized paws and heavily emphasized details) these pads are rarely visible. They are underneath when the paw is held at any normal angle, and even when the paw is turned they often hide in the crook of the wrist or the other (opposite the viewer) side of the leg, and fur hides them some too. Therefore, they mostly count as invisible anatomical features that it would be cheaper for the costume-makers to not worry about.

Ronkonkoma · Post by **Ronkonkoma** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:44 am

Scott Gardener wrote:I took the undecided vote, but that was not the best choice on my part, as I forgot that I could read the thread first. The clarification that we're talking about the dealy on the wrist, as opposed to the thenar and hypothenar pads, makes sense. I vote in favor of the thing, as it's a feature on wolves. My own werewolves have them, though I have neglected to include them in my drawings so far. I tend to take the existing wolf pads without adding any extras, except for toes that haven't receded all the way (i.e. retained first toes in almost human form, early in shifting, form claws and pads, and then recede and disappear if shifting further.)

Evolution tends to discard stuff that isn't used. But, it takes awhile; that's why we have an appendix. (I had mine taken out when it tried to explode in my belly back in 1989.) Besides, a werewolf is a creature that assumes the likeness of two discreet pre-existing organisms; usual trends about what should evolve don't neccessarily apply to a Gestalt form werewolf, which is more an amalgamation of the two seperate evolved forms.

I voted undecided, because I think that while it maybe an interesting feature, it probably is not used very much so rather than have an actuall 'wristpad' werewolves might have a partial pad of some kind. Though it would make sense to have one, because a thick pad would protect the inside of the wrist where you got a big set of veins and arteries, would definately be an advantage to have a pad there if you got in a fight.

The wristpad could also be a feature that distinguishes bitten Vs born Werewolves, bitten might not have it (or have a partial pad) while born might have the full deal

Kisota · Post by **Kisota** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:40 pm

I like the wristpads. It's a visually pleasing detail and is a nice midway point.

That WOULD be an interesting "sign" of being a werewolf...maybe having a slight bulge/mark there even as a human.

Set · Post by **Set** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:47 pm

Kiba wrote:That WOULD be an interesting "sign" of being a werewolf...maybe having a slight bulge/mark there even as a human.

It's an idea, but if you go the opposite way you could tell the difference between a real wolf and a werewolf in wolf form from the lack of a pad.

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:28 pm

Another nice thing about it is that it's strictly a wolf feature, not a super-enhanced feature. It doesn't do anything except look lupine. Powergamers in it for the power wouldn't want it, but wolf therians would.

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