What happens when...

Wolfess · Post by **Wolfess** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:14 am

OK, everyone has agreed that when a werewolf bites a human, the human gets infected and becomes a werewolf himself. BUT... What the hell happens when a werewolf bites a wolf?

Does the infection work both ways or only on humans?

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:13 am

See "Reverse Werewolves."

http://calypso-blue.com/werewolf/viewtopic.php?t=134

Morkulv · Post by **Morkulv** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:40 pm

Then you'll get a wolfwolf!

Double the wolf, double the fun!

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:49 pm

Morkulv wrote:Then you'll get a wolfwolf!

Double the wolf, double the fun!

You get that when you chew Wrigley's Doublemint Gum

Moonstalker · Post by **Moonstalker** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:49 pm

You mean that the wolf would become some kinda savage giant wolf like creature

Sounds cool but would humans already spotted these beings. I think ordinary wolf can't become just ordinary werewolf.

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:50 pm

Only works on humans, IMO.

white · Post by **white** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:12 pm

Yeah, it wouldn't make sense for the 'virus' to work both ways, at least assuming a relatively realistic view of things.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:28 pm

Ralith wrote:Yeah, it wouldn't make sense for the 'virus' to work both ways, at least assuming a relatively realistic view of things.

Yeah...I agree. Likely nothing would happen. ...or it would kill the wolf.

The impression I've been getting is that Lycanthropy "Add"s the wolf part to the human. ...there is no "human" in lycanthropy, so it would not give a wolf the ability to transform into a human or anything like that.

...now...making the wolf pumped up or something...like someone gave it a dose of sterioids (copmplete with negative, deforming or damaging side effects), plus some of the regenerative qualities. That might be interesting.

Ferral wolves could possibly become "Carriers" of Lycanthropy, thus making it possible to become a werewolf after being bitten by a ferral wolf, if it was infected.

...but I don't think biting a wolf would turn it into a "Wolf-Were" or anything like that.

IMHO

Silverclaw · Post by **Silverclaw** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:06 pm

Anyone ever read "Howling Mad"? Good story about a wolf that was bitten by a werewolf

Morkulv · Post by **Morkulv** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:40 am

Renorei wrote:Only works on humans, IMO.

I agree.

mielikkishunt · Post by **mielikkishunt** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:39 pm

Silverclaw wrote:Anyone ever read "Howling Mad"? Good story about a wolf that was bitten by a werewolf

L:OVE this book!

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:40 pm

In an old version of my storyline, I had the virus-like entity create a haploid mix of itself, and the infected wolf could shift and pass it on. But, it doesn't convey human knowledge base, so the being would be very confused and pretty feral.

In my current versions, it doesn't work. Technically, a werewolf is a person with a set of genes derived from wolves, but aren't technically wolves, even in wolf form. Biting a wolf does nothig, because the virus-like entity has no human-based material with which to work. It could conceivably work on a chimpanzee or, if you can get around a million or so years of extinction, an Australopithicus. But, more likely, the infected primate would die a horrible death, even if they don't have the same brain size problem to work around.

Of course, it depends on one's own storyline; I have no pretense of personal story superiority.

Kwipper · Post by **Kwipper** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:07 am

A werewolf who was born as a wolf.... bites a wolf... and the wolf will explode.

Kirk Hammett · Post by **Kirk Hammett** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:13 am

Well, depends what the virus actually manipulates. Obviously it gives the human other powers other than wolf genes, so I'm guessing the wolf may gain something else. But then what happens when you insert human genes into a human? Depends what genes and all, most would just I don't know,

I'm confused now and I'm a second year Biology student.

Nevermind me. -Tail between legs again- awww...I can't even remember what I had in mind...

Lyco · Post by **Lyco** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:11 am

Silverclaw wrote:Anyone ever read "Howling Mad"? Good story about a wolf that was bitten by a werewolf

Woah... i like just finished reading that book for my Individual Study Project at school. Coinsidance much?

Yeah I thought that book was cool, not terrabley well writen, but i enjoyed it.

I won't spoil anything, but that book difinatly has the best use of silver to kill a werewolf ever in it.

anyway back on subject.

I've always liked that idea that lycanthropy works both ways. It sort just alway made sence in my head. But if lycanthropy it going to be portrayed as a virus then we might want to approch the subject with a certain degree of physiological realism.

Now I'm no biology buff but to my knowlage, animals are not all susceptible to all the same illness humans are. Every species's immune system work diffrently. I'm not saying the wolf should be immune, but i think it would only make sence that it's immune system would handle the virus in a diffrent manner then a human's.

I guess we'd have to hammer out some fine details on what exactally the lycanthropy virus is. Is it one of those diseases that only effects humans... or can it leech out into other creature as well?

Vuldari wrote:...now...making the wolf pumped up or something...like someone gave it a dose of sterioids (copmplete with negative, deforming or damaging side effects), plus some of the regenerative qualities. That might be interesting.

Ferral wolves could possibly become "Carriers" of Lycanthropy, thus making it possible to become a werewolf after being bitten by a ferral wolf, if it was infected.

This might a a good way of working it... i especally like the idea of the wolf becoming a carrier. But if this happens to wolves that are bittin, it could theoredically happen to dogs as well, right? Some breeds of dogs are very anotomically similar to wolves, what stopping the virus from having the same effect on them?

Lupin · Post by **Lupin** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:21 pm

Renorei wrote:Only works on humans, IMO.

Ralith wrote:Yeah, it wouldn't make sense for the 'virus' to work both ways, at least assuming a relatively realistic view of things.

Yeah, the virus only turns people into something that looks like a wolf. I'd guess it would probably be complex enough that it wouldn't act at all upon real wolves.s

Morkulv · Post by **Morkulv** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:37 pm

Kwipper wrote:A werewolf who was born as a wolf.... bites a wolf... and the wolf will explode.

garouda · Post by **garouda** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:19 pm

Since to all appearances, the WW virus seems to recode the infected human being, it appears to be highly evolved to attack and recode a human genetic string.

A chimpanzee is only a few percent different from humans, and yet look how much that difference counts for. A wolf is far more different in its genetic coding. I think this virus would be a total wash. It has too much to do and way too much variance between humans and real wolves to be able to accomplish it both ways.

Lupin · Post by **Lupin** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:40 pm

garouda wrote:A chimpanzee is only a few percent different from humans, and yet look how much that difference counts for.

IIRC, it's more like one percent. And we share 97% of our DNA with yeast.

garouda · Post by **garouda** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:53 pm

Those small percentages don't sound like much. But those silly small numbers mean a lot.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:13 am

Lupin wrote:
garouda wrote:A chimpanzee is only a few percent different from humans, and yet look how much that difference counts for.
IIRC, it's more like one percent. And we share 97% of our DNA with yeast.

Really?!?!? Dough!!! (D'oh)

I guess that explains why I feel like toast during the summer months.

Q: What's the difference between bread and the sun?

A: The sun rises from the east and bread rises from the yeast!

HA!!!... I'm on a roll!!

Errr....ummmm.....excuse me. I need to go pinch a loaf.

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:17 am

Figarou wrote:
Lupin wrote:
garouda wrote:A chimpanzee is only a few percent different from humans, and yet look how much that difference counts for.
IIRC, it's more like one percent. And we share 97% of our DNA with yeast.

Really?!?!? Dough!!! (D'oh)

I guess that explains why I feel like toast during the summer months.

Q: What's the difference between bread and the sun?

A: The sun rises from the east and bread rises from the yeast!

HA!!!... I'm on a roll!!

Errr....ummmm.....excuse me. I need to go pinch a loaf.

AAAAAAAHHHH PUNS!!!!!!!

Morkulv · Post by **Morkulv** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:40 am

Lupin wrote:
garouda wrote:A chimpanzee is only a few percent different from humans, and yet look how much that difference counts for.
IIRC, it's more like one percent. And we share 97% of our DNA with yeast.

And yet, scientists and explorers never found a skeleton of a combi between humans and ape genes. So there is a lack of proof, and numbers don't say anything: Rabbits, rats, and even pigs also have a lot in common with humans as well, but that scientists never mention.

Lupin · Post by **Lupin** » Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:18 pm

Morkulv wrote:And yet, scientists and explorers never found a skeleton of a combi between humans and ape genes. So there is a lack of proof, and numbers don't say anything: Rabbits, rats, and even pigs also have a lot in common with humans as well, but that scientists never mention.

Abscence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Those animals also have a lot less in common than humans and primates, then humans do with other primates. Like the fact that we share the same sex determining gene as apes and monkies, whils most non-primate animals use a completely diferent one. Digging up bones is not the only way to prove relation.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:36 am

Morkulv wrote:And yet, scientists and explorers never found a skeleton of a combi between humans and ape genes. So there is a lack of proof, and numbers don't say anything: Rabbits, rats, and even pigs also have a lot in common with humans as well, but that scientists never mention.

That's because there never was such a thing. The "Missing Link" theory is Bull$***.

Evolution of mankind did NOT go:

"X ancestor (primate)" -> "Ape" -> "Human".

It was more like...;

"X ancestor (primate)" -->"X jr. A" -> "Pre-Human" __> "Cro-magnon" --> "Human"
........................................|.............................................|_>"Neanderthal" -> (DEAD)
........................................|_>"X jr. B"_
.............................................................|_>"pre-ape"_
.................................................................................|_> Everything...
.................................................................................|_>...from...
.................................................................................|_>...Gorrilas...
.................................................................................|_>...to...
.................................................................................|_>...Lemurs.

The ape chain is much more complex than that, and there were surely more failed cousins that split off of the "A" chain before the critical Neanderthal/Cro-Magnon era, but otherwise, I think that about sums it up.

So long as people keep $%^$ing up the evolutionary theory, I will keep correcting them. There is no "missing link". We were not decended from monkeys. ...but we share the same great great great great... Grandfather, who was neither ape nor human...yet.

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