Terastas wrote:Vuldari, you are really beginning to confuse me. This whole argument essentially stemmed out of, to put it bluntly, you're desire to see a werewolf movie that is highly cliche but not in a bad way. And if that wasn't confusing enough:
Vuldari wrote:As for being a "Horror" Fan ... honestly, I HATE most Horror films. A bunch of Mindless Blood and Gore on the Most part, (with surprising exceptions now and then, of course).
... However, I have a great deal of respect for the use of FEAR in a good story, as one of the most honest, and universally understood emotions that can be suggested or conveyed, regardless of gender, race, religion, language, heritage or whatever.
So now you want a movie with a lot of fear but not a horror. . .
Huh?!
No, I did not say I hate Scary Movies ... I said I hate
most movies that have been made in the "Horror" genre ... as in, if you go to the local video store and wander down the "Horror" film isle, 75% of it is Mindless Blood splatter, (but there are still gems hidden within some of the remaining 25%).
And an old, well known story retold turning out very well, while staying true to the source material, is far from a confusing or inconceivable idea.
Terastas wrote:You just did to the entire horror genre what you did to the Pack: You intentionally misrepresented it in order to support an otherwise confusing argument. I don't know what you want, and I'm starting to think you don't know either.
No, you just misread me and jumped to false conclusions again. I don't know why you seem to always be looking for an excuse to rant at me, even when I don't deserve it. WerewolfKeeper3 read me right.
I like movies that make good use of Fear, but not movies that go overboard with blood and gore. There are so few movies officially classified under the "Horror" genre that I have personally enjoyed that I can't really call myself a fan ... but there are rare exceptions from time to time.
I don't know what I want? I want to see some stories where Werewolves are
NOT "
Misunderstood". ...Scenarios in which there is nothing not to understand... "
When a Person transforms into a Werewolf in this story, regardless of what kind of person they are normally, they ALWAYS become DANGEROUS and UNPREDICTABLE until they change back again."
I
LIKE that WildCard plot element. THAT is what I want. (at least in SOME stories)
WerewolfKeeper3 wrote:... Monster? Most werewolves, according to what i got from here, the entire forum, are confused, and still in pain and/or shock from shifting, and, most animals in pain will lash out at anything that they see as a threat. So, according to this, Werewolves can never be monsters, because it's instinct that drives them. True monsters are things that know what they're doing...
Careful what you are doing here ... you are putting all werewolves into a single "Popular Ideal", which consequently forbids certain kinds of stories and characters, and declaring it the only
accepted interpretation. That's not a very fair or open minded thing to do.
... and something that many keep telling me they are NOT doing, but I think they just don't realize that they really have been.
Just because they might be "Out of Control" when transformed, does not mean that the person does not
WANT to be "Out of Control". A person who knows they loose some or all of their restraint and control when they transform, and intentionally puts themselves in a place where they will be likely cause grevious harm to others (or someone/something specific) when their transformation is eminent would certainly qualify as a "Monster". Also ... I use the term in somewhat less official context, such as how people use the word "Monstrous" to describe something that is large and imposing, but not necessarily malevolent. Regardless of whether the creatures potential for destructive or murderous behavior is intentional or not, most people would describe a creature that is very powerful and
likely to cause great harm to innocent people a "Monster", (regardless of linguistic technicalities), and it is that perception and presence that is what I mean when I say "Monster".
... meaning, in
THOSE kinds of stories, when you see a Werewolf (ANY werewolf, whether the person is normally your friend or not), you know you should probably run and/or hide, and have a good reason to do so (and not just have it be
false, or
unwarranted fear) ...
I don't think
ALL Werewolf stories need to be that way, (nor would I want them to ... variety is good), but I like it when at least
SOME of them are ... when the characters have to face up to an unavoidable problem of the Lycanthrope being a constant WildCard, and every Transformation is cause for everyone involved to second guess what might happen next. Coming up with creative solutions for dealing with an UnTameable wild side I think is a Scenario that is wide open for far more story conclusions or plot directions than simply, "Kill the Werewolf". Perpetually Unstable Lycanthropy is a plot element applicable to more than just one kind of story.
WerewolfKeeper3 wrote:And Vuldari, you seem to repeating alot of things you already wrote in another thread. I can't remember the name, but it one of the first things i responded too... Anyway, i was just bored with the predictability of the whole thing... i like the idea, but everything else was bogged down to the point it was like Lucifer dragging Constantine at the end of the movie. Impossible for those who haven't seen the movie. So, i did some editing for my story. I don't see why we have to do this again. I thought we already agreed a while ago that to each his own, {werewolf}. Can we stop this, please? We're just going back over the same old stuff. What for exactly?
I'm going over it again because someone else re-started the conversation since my recent absence, and everyone else who was around during the previous conversations have just been repeating what they said before as well, so why is it any different when
I do it?
... this whole THREAD is full of people repeating what they have said a hundred times before in countless other conversations.
It's just for the sake of letting those NOT present the last time around to get in on a
live conversation (rather than necromancing an ancient thread), and for the rest to share any NEW insight they may have gathered since the last time, or possibly share a different opinion if it has changed in any was since before.
Besides ... I sort of like to hear people respond to what I have to say, rather than just look at the old threads and just silently think "Oh ... so
that's what he said", and not give any new input.