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Pointing out: females are built differently. so any fighting style a guy uses has to take into acout his groin, and style a girl uses has to take into account her chest. but really, both spots are sensitiive on either gender, just one is way more so than the other... tradeoffs- no one is 'better' than the other and also females have the advantage of an instinctive protection- males are less likely to beat up a gal than a guy, but then again usually guys are more powerful.

And then when women is on there period, then what, oh oh no tampons. And when women have to use the bathroom they have to squat down, while a man can lay down and lean to the side and take a piss, unless they have to take a number 2.

uuhhhhh..... look, we're not going there, but lets suffice to say that exactly what way you positions yourself while relieving yourself is not an advantage or disadvantage. the other idea is actually and interesting one--- making new thread...

sorry, Ill stop talking about it now.

One thing I hate about this thread is that nobody is realizing there are SO MANY other ways to make a werewolf look feminine than boobs, most of which don't ad unneeded weaknesses.

True, male nads are a weakness. But NOBODY attacks there! Ever! It's a matter of male pride not to. So even though it's a weakness, it's a weakness that no one will ever take advantage of.

So basically, by adding boobs, we have female werewolves having a massive weakness, and male werewolves having a smaller (size-wise) weakness, which will hardly ever be utilized. (Unless of course he is trying to attack or rape a female, in which case he deserves it.)

lol, no one will attack down there is that what you think, I dont think youve ever heard of street fights, anything goes in there even taking the croch and twist it around untill the guy sings like a little girl, If I were to get pinned down in a serouse fight and I can't get up or get out of a headlock, Id definately go for the croch especialy when Im out numbered.

Yeah man. Back in my home town, there was this fight down the street where after this guy stomped the living hell out of another guy. He kicked his crouch until police arived. Rumor has it, the guy lost...them.

ithink a reason that that's not done frequently is that it's usually guys fightning, and they would feel the pain too. and it's the one spot that is permanent, utter damage- if you actually destroy what's down there you have just killed off his bloodline. forever.

true, true. but that will be there fault if they pick a fight with me.

Excelsia wrote:
True, male nads are a weakness. But NOBODY attacks there! Ever! It's a matter of male pride not to. So even though it's a weakness, it's a weakness that no one will ever take advantage of.

1. Of course, that excludes females. Many a time have i seen a female kick a guy in the nads when kissed, rather than punch.

2. Not all males are bound to that pride. If losing i'm not afraid to fight dirty.

One thing I hate about this thread is that nobody is realizing there are SO MANY other ways to make a werewolf look feminine than boobs, most of which don't ad unneeded weaknesses.

Body-shape? For Freeborns purpose's that isn't going to much help. Audiences are used to seeing breasts as a indicator of female-ness. Besides that, most scenes in which the Gestalt is used will probablly be the kind of scene where alot of running/fighting is going down, not lounging on the sofa so the audience can look to see if its male or female..

So basically, by adding boobs, we have female werewolves having a massive weakness, and male werewolves having a smaller (size-wise) weakness, which will hardly ever be utilized. (Unless of course he is trying to attack or rape a female, in which case he deserves it.)

So....

The females, without breasts, are now without a weakness, while Males still have one? Hardly seems fair...

Some people aren't afraid to nail a guy in the balls. I never heard of someone cheap-shotting a girl in the breasts until you mentioned it. When it comes to chick fights at my school, they talk about ripping out facial piercings instead of nailing them in the breasts. It's a fair-play rule about not hitting a dude when the sun doesn't shine, but not everyone plays fair. I've seen guys get nailed when they're just annoying someone. There are more ways to make a female gestalt look more feminine without boobs, but one of the most bang on ways to tell is boobs. I can't tell how many people I've seen and went "Is that a guy or a girl?" and looked for boobs. I think it's just how society works today and if there was something there that suggested "boobs" it would take out some confusion. People will enjoy it more if they're not confused (and not everyone's smart enough to tell if it's a female by looking at curves at whatnot )

True, male nads are a weakness. But NOBODY attacks there! Ever! It's a matter of male pride not to. So even though it's a weakness, it's a weakness that no one will ever take advantage of.

A couple of times, when I got into a fight, the attacker tries to kick me there too. But I can handle it. It hurts anyway, but I don't see why many people make a HUGE deal out of it. But I guess it depends on the person. Some people can handle pain better then others.

Humans can't easily determine if wolves are male or female. Wolves can tell right away; for one thing, the scent is obvious.

That ambiguity might or might not carry over to Gestalt form, though most of us favor some human gender-differentiating visible features carrying over, plus or minus the pair of this or that.

However, if it's hard to tell the difference visually, then perhaps that could be used as an advantage. We the audience could see a lady turn into a Gestalt-form creature and then chase down a guy, who manages to get away. He then takes it for granted that it was a guy who is the werewolf who went after him, and only later figures out it was the woman we already knew about.

Scott Gardener wrote:Humans can't easily determine if wolves are male or female. Wolves can tell right away; for one thing, the scent is obvious.

That ambiguity might or might not carry over to Gestalt form, though most of us favor some human gender-differentiating visible features carrying over, plus or minus the pair of this or that.

However, if it's hard to tell the difference visually, then perhaps that could be used as an advantage. We the audience could see a lady turn into a Gestalt-form creature and then chase down a guy, who manages to get away. He then takes it for granted that it was a guy who is the werewolf who went after him, and only later figures out it was the woman we already knew about.

Everyone I knew that watched "Cursed" thought it was the guy (lead werewolf) that was doing all the killing. Nobody expected the thin blonde to be the werewolf. When she became the werewolf, no female representation was visible at all. Thats probably why they didn't give the werewolf that early on so you won't know its a female.

Fenrir wrote:Well I'll say it again too
*grabs Figaou ties him to a chair and gags him so that he can't post here*

*looks innocent* what do you mean were is Figarou

No no, you mean Figarou is Were.

Morkulv wrote:A couple of times, when I got into a fight, the attacker tries to kick me there too. But I can handle it. It hurts anyway, but I don't see why many people make a HUGE deal out of it. But I guess it depends on the person. Some people can handle pain better then others.

It's more complicated than that...
Maybe you have a higher pain tolerance...but I find it more likely that those people who tell horror stories about being hit...there...actually experience more pain than you have experienced yourself. In other words, some guys just have more sensitive/fragile "junk" than others.

From my own experience, I have never been "attacked" there, but I have been hit there on several occasions with mixed outcomes. Sometimes it was just like, "...ow... That didn't hurt that bad at all. That was anti climactic...", while other times, when I got smashed in just the Wrong way, it feels like something just punched through your groin, into your innards, and ripped them out.
...trust me...be very glad you've never been hit there in just "that way"...

It's the third most painful thing I've experienced in my life.

[spoiler] (The second most painful, I'd rather not discuss, but The MOST painful thing I ever experienced was earlier this year. ...it was a tuesday night... I was suffering from the Flu and having been coughing violently for over a month, the muscles in my lungs had become badly enflamed. Merely trying to breathe felt like ripping a jagged knife through my lungs. Plus my lungs were filling up with fluid and I needed to cough it out or I would have suffocated. I Bawled my eyes out fearing each inevitable cough, as they were painful beyond imagination. I'm really suprised I didn't pass out. Only a steaming hot bathtub {to relax my muscles} and high doses of painkillers allowed me to make it through the night without being hospitalized. {I kept the wireless phone right next to the tub, antcipating that if the hot water did not relax my muscles enough that I could breathe again, I would have to dial 911}...so, um...yeah...I know a little something about extreme physical pain, so I can empithise with anyone, of either gender, wanting to avoid things that could make such painful experiences more common.)[/spoiler]
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Back on the main topic...

Scott Gardener and Figarou made a good point.

Though I would prefer that the females look at least a little recognisably feninie, (Some thicker "floof" that subltly suggests human-like breasts on the chest in Gestalt form might be sufficient, if it is even neccesary at all), it may not neccesarily be ALL bad if it is not allways immediately obvious what the gender of the Werewolf is. Heck...there could even be a scronny, feminine looking werewolf that could turn out to be spindly male character, when everyone is expecting it to be female. That could be an amusing, though cheap, twist.

Ugg- and speaking of pain ,though this does not measure up to vuldari's- i once sprained my nexk- if i moved my head the slightesrt bit it felt like i'd been stabbed i nthe back of the nexk with a burning dagger. the other pain was hen had some type of flu the entire christmas break and was so sick i could barely open my presents. that happened this year. and to increase the pain, it cleared u pthe day befoew school started- and i smashed my lip o nthe wcorner of a table that day, too/... a sucky vacation. keep in mind that it should not be automatically obvious what gender but you shouldn't have to scrutinise to figure it out.

I'd actually prefer to see discernable male and female differences. But, I had to point out the lack of obvious differences between wolves, at least through human perspective.

Depends what the movie makers aim to do, if they want the audience to know what characters are male or female, or make it exceedingly easy to tell one werewolf apart from another, then they're gonna have to do it visually and things like a chest are just one of many ways to pull it off.

Though if they want to confuse or suprise the audience, then not visably showing the gender of the werewolves whilst in gesalt form is probably the way to go.

WolvenOne wrote:Depends what the movie makers aim to do, if they want the audience to know what characters are male or female, or make it exceedingly easy to tell one werewolf apart from another, then they're gonna have to do it visually and things like a chest are just one of many ways to pull it off.

Though if they want to confuse or suprise the audience, then not visably showing the gender of the werewolves whilst in gesalt form is probably the way to go.

Thats what they intended for Cursed. If that werewolf had boobs, everyone will know right off its a female.


As for Freeborn, I'll be surprised if there is a "mystery werewolf" in the plot. I'm not sure how easy it'll be to tell each other apart if they decide to group up. Unless they have some type of clothing on in Gestalt form. That or different fur patterns.

Boobs being a disadvantage? Well I sappose if your breasts sudden;y changed bigger it may be hard to handle but we females grew their breasts and would become quite accustomed to them, can't play golf well, but still unless you have D cups or something, they're not going to hassle with you.

There is the point about running on all fours though, too big of breats would get in the way of the moving fore arms and would not be very fun.

I'm still going to sit that females need breasts, and that curvy shape, yet not too big of boobs.

On the subject of pain, I have quite a tolerance to pain, I still get hurt, and will tear, but usually I don't find it so bad. Yet ofcource, I doubt I'll be saying that if I was say, stabbed in the chest.

Don't know why this really matters.

BUT, my two cents

With the shifting and changing of mass, I can see a reduction(YEAH! Never could figure out why anyone wanted big boobs, I'd kill to have smaller ones, but I wander here) in boob size as mass changes, and shifts

In natural Weres(as in born to it), I see them naturally being smaller breast size. . .Just always been something in my brain to that ;)

Well then there's "are you making a werewolf movie or a porno film?"

OK, this is going to sound kindof gross, but do female wolves (or any other mammal) get periods?

And should be careful bout making smaller breasts I think. If not done right, they could look like they some 12 year old chest, just starting out with puberty.

Silverclaw wrote:OK, this is going to sound kindof gross, but do female wolves (or any other mammal) get periods?

And should be careful bout making smaller breasts I think. If not done right, they could look like they some 12 year old chest, just starting out with puberty.

See other thread on reproduction complications.

http://calypso-blue.com/werewolf/viewtopic.php?t=1140