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if shes in were form when in labor then the moon must be out, and if she is giving birth then the child has to be a were also..... so if giving birth during full moon the child has to be in were form unless were traits are something that were offspring need to develop, which if thats the case then the child would be borne in human form and the mother, who is in were form, would eat the offspring thinking its just another human......Unless the were has some sort of maternal instincts then it would show some sort of care for the human/were baby/pup.........



(thats a lot of run on sentences, but i dont care)

White Paw wrote:... which if thats the case then the child would be borne in human form and the mother, who is in were form, would eat the offspring thinking its just another human...

NO Eating Babies...PERIOD!


What you just suggested is wrong on so many levels...I...

...I...



AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!...



1. Human Eating should be restrained to only the grosses, bloodiest werewolf horror stories.

2. Eating Babies is one of the most TABOO concepts ever concieved.

3. A Mother Eating her own child immediately after birth...






...







...that's just Sick.




Besides...I've never heard of Wolves, or any kind of canine doing such a thing. (OTHER Animals on the other hand...)

...but I HAVE heard of Mother Dogs quite willingly caring for pups/cubs/kittens/etc not of thier species along with thier own newborns as if it were thier own. In fact...I've seen it first hand.

(When I was a child, a baby kitten (likely from a stray cat's litter) wandered onto my Godfathers Farm, and almost immediately his dog began caring for the kitten as if it were her own pup. It was heartwarming to watch.)



I repeat my previous statement.

NO...EATING...BABIES....

Vuldari wrote:
NO...EATING...BABIES....

Unless its Bassett's Jelly Babies.

were talking about werewolves here what do you expect......a female werewolf caring for what appears to be a human child......that just spells L U N C H to me....

White Paw wrote:would eat the offspring thinking its just another human......

Yeah, that's just... No. Human eating is completely unrealistic to begin with.

and werewolves are realistic....

Exactly how many animals can you think of that go after humans as prey?

White Paw. Why? What reasons do you have for werewolves thinking of humans solely as food?

Mothers have an instinct to PROTECT their young. Not eat them. I just don't see, even with the most brutal of cursed werewolves, a healthy female eating her offspring.

White Paw wrote:were talking about werewolves here what do you expect......a female werewolf caring for what appears to be a human child......that just spells L U N C H to me....

Clearly, we have very different opinions about what werewolves are, or how they think.



Sure...some of the old folklore said that some of the really evil and mysterious ones would do thinks like that...but only because the people telling the stories were trying to make the mosters look as unforgivably "Horrible" as possible.


Ugh...ew...

I will NEVER understand why some people find blood, pain, suffering, and acts of pointless, unnecesary Evil, funny and entertaining.
...an instinct to eat any and all humans, even ones own just-born spawn, that is stronger than it's/her maternal instincts?...

I just find that pointless, counter-evolutionary, appalling, and just plain dumb and gross, really...


Is making bloody messes really all werewolves are to you? Is that really all you care that Happens?

*Scene opens, Mother gives birth, eats baby just because it's human (and apparently irrisistably tasty)...makes a disgusting bloody mess...Scene Closes* THE END.

Stories about creatures with that kind of mentality are monotonous, predictable and boring as HELL to me. It's just bloody murder after bloody murder after bloody murder untill either everyone in the entire world is dead, or the werewolf is.

...bah...


If that's all one cares that happens in stories involving werewolves, you might as well replace the character with a guy driving a combine through the streets of new york city, harvesting the jaywalkers.

...at least then you would get to watch a cool explosion when he is defeated.

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This conversation has just really pushed my buttons for some reason. This is one of my biggest Pet-Peeves.

I HATE "Horror" Gore, and acts of Evil as Comedy entertainment...or any of the above being described as "Awesome".

...and I hate the epidemic brain malfunction that plagues such a large portion of the Human race that allows anyone to LIKE that kind of thing, or take any kind of "pleasure" from imaginary (and REAL) acts of causing pain and suffering as some twisted form of "ENTERTAINMENT".


Horrible acts, pain and Evil are great (and neccesary) elements in well told stories as dramatic focal points...as things to be feared, hated, and STOPPED...not CHEERED FOR...

Carnivores are a facinating moral dilema. The hunter must kill, or itself will die.

But eating ones own young just because they are conveniently snack-sized is just pointless...and GROSS...not funny at all... IMHO:P

Lupin wrote:Exactly how many animals can you think of that go after humans as prey?

if put in right set of curcumstances any predatorial animal will do such...

sharks for one have been known to do so.....

Lupin wrote:Exactly how many animals can you think of that go after humans as prey?

*raises hand*

OH! OH!!!! I know!!! Pick me!! Pick me!!!


Its the mosquito.

http://www.yale.edu/opa/v32.n16/story9.html


Good thing it only goes for blood instead of flesh. Still, humans can catch diseases from a mosquito bite.

White Paw wrote:

Lupin wrote:Exactly how many animals can you think of that go after humans as prey?

if put in right set of curcumstances any predatorial animal will do such...

sharks for one have been known to do so.....

meh...sharks go for anything thats in the water. Same goes for pirania. They don't "hunt" us down. If a human is attacked by either a shark or pirania, its because he wondered in a place he shouldn't have gone.

White Paw wrote: if put in right set of curcumstances any predatorial animal will do such...

sharks for one have been known to do so.....

Actually, more often than not, sharks usually take a single chunk out of a person, and then swim off.

Lupin wrote:

White Paw wrote: if put in right set of curcumstances any predatorial animal will do such...

sharks for one have been known to do so.....

Actually, more often than not, sharks usually take a single chunk out of a person, and then swim off.

O'RLY?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4YjmwCs6H0

Figarou wrote: O'RLY?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4YjmwCs6H0

YA RLY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_atta ... _attack.3F

Lupin wrote:

Figarou wrote: O'RLY?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4YjmwCs6H0

YA RLY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_atta ... _attack.3F

You're right about them swimming off.

But then the wiki site you posted says this.

and then retreat and wait for the victim to die, or exhaust itself, before it comes back to feed. This protects the shark from injury, especially tooth loss, from a wounded and aggressive target; however, it also allows humans time to get out of the water and survive.

You stay in the water and it will return once he knows you're dead.

That's only a possible explination. Note it also says this:

This behaviour has many possible explanations, one being that humans don't taste good (or at least, as good), or are lacking the necessary fat

Lupin wrote:That's only a possible explination. Note it also says this:

This behaviour has many possible explanations, one being that humans don't taste good (or at least, as good), or are lacking the necessary fat

I read that. If the shark is hungry enough, he'll eat anything.


I've seen homeless folks dig into the trash, pull out rotting food and eat it.


Talk about gross!! Bleh!!

Figarou wrote: I read that. If the shark is hungry enough, he'll eat anything.

Wild animals don't tend to go for anything and everything, otherwise they'd use up all of their energy on botched attempts.

In natures, mothers rarely eat their young, it usually goes that the young eat their mother, as in the arachnid world. Mamals rarely, if ever, eat there young, unless there were physical or mental flaws. Infact the only animal i can think of that does eat their young is the Praying Mantis (and it calls itself religeous).

I would like to appologise for my previous post.


In case you somehow haven't noticed yet, I am a tremendous "PRUDE".

My Morality Compass has been jammed on the 'HIGH' setting since I was in Pre-School.

I understand that I get really carried away sometimes...but honesly, I would not have it any other way.

To anyone who may have been insulted by my previous remarks...

I'm Sorry.

I'm just tired, and in a ranting mood for some reason.


I'm well aware of the fact that "HORROR" is one of, if not THE favorite Genre of a great many people here (Including White Paw, obvioulsly), and therefore, slamming the entire genre, and anyone who dares to like it is a surefire way to get myself in some deep Hot Water.


Watch, and Enjoy whatever the Hell you want...

...just don't expect me to understand...

"Suffering=Fun" , is a concept that is and has allways been simply beyond my comprehension.

Vuldari wrote:I'm well aware of the fact that "HORROR" is one of, if not THE favorite Genre of a great many people here (Including White Paw, obvioulsly), and therefore, slamming the entire genre, and anyone who dares to like it is a surefire way to get myself in some deep Hot Water.

Personally I find a mindless beast several orders of magnitude less scary than an intelligent killer. But that's just me.

White Paw wrote:sharks for one have been known to do so.....

Lupin wrote:

Vuldari wrote:I'm well aware of the fact that "HORROR" is one of, if not THE favorite Genre of a great many people here (Including White Paw, obvioulsly), and therefore, slamming the entire genre, and anyone who dares to like it is a surefire way to get myself in some deep Hot Water.

Personally I find a mindless beast several orders of magnitude less scary than an intelligent killer. But that's just me.

Now..."Psycological Thrillers" I Like.

The tension, exitement, and even Fear of honestly not knowing what is going to happen next can be quite exilarating...

..."DEATH" and "Dismemberment" are not the only significant things that can happen to a character after all.

On the Main Topic...


I am of the opinion that Werewolves are Human first.

Also...I feel that shapeshifting is NOT something that a fetus would do. (at least not all the way like its mother...maybe developing and undeveloping claws/tail/etc. though.)

Therefore, it seems most logical to me that baby werewolves would be born human, regardless of the condition of the mother at birth.


*However*

I also believe in the idea that not all werewolf stories should be the same, so I would also be interested in seeing werewolves being born as Wolf-Cubs born of Mothers in Human or Gestalt forms, or as half way blends that don't settle on human form untill a few weeks after birth,or whatever else.

It's all good.

White Paw wrote:were talking about werewolves here what do you expect......a female werewolf caring for what appears to be a human child......that just spells L U N C H to me....

I would think a female werewolf would be quite capable of recognizing her own young.

(And not, y'know. Eating people..)

if put in right set of curcumstances any predatorial animal will do such...

sharks for one have been known to do so.....

Humans eat each other given the right circumstances. So do many animals.

"This looks yummy, though I just spent a couple hours in painful labor squeezing it out and it bares my scent, I think I'll eat it anyways." doesn't sound like the 'right set of circumstances'.