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Renorei wrote: If they are illegal, then we have every right to throw them out. Just because they're new here doesn't make them above the law. If someone wants to come live here, they can follow the proper procedures.

I don't know if the situation in america is the same like here in germany, but in germany and many other countries of europe there live a lot of so called gypsies who have NO state identity - they are stateless and cannot stay in any country of the world, because they are everywhere illegal!

I agree that they should learn at least a bit of the language of a country, but sometimes it is impossible for some to follow the proper procedures. I won't go on now with this, because it enrages me more than some could imagine ...

Part of the reform that needs to be done is making the proper procedures easy to figure out and understand by someone with comparatively little education.

The balanced population suggestion would be a sound one, except that the American population is gradually rising. The only way to honor it would be to boot people out of the country. (I suppose we could start with the board of directors on the studio that wanted to make Freeborn about Lesbians.) Even if the population were in relative equilibrium, it would mean having in essence a closed border. That model would indeed only work in a country that is rapidly losing a lot of population, and we don't have very many of those here on Earth. Even in our places of worst famine, war, and natural disaster, the overall population is paradoxically still rising.

I have to admit that my fear to get up this topic had every right to be there ... I didn't bring up this topic to discuss this sort of things

I'd brought up this topic to give a place to talk about cultural differences, not inter-social political issues.

I'd brought this topic up to change out information about differences in a peaceful manner.

Every one of us has different point of views about the problems that were discussed above and everyone of us has different ways of solving them ...

So please: Read my starting post again and see how I meant it ...

Hopefully this didn't sound to harsh ...

Right.... back on track....

Kisses !

Here in belgium when greeting people you know well and like, you give one kiss on the left cheek (that goes for men and women, but it's not universally used between men... women don't seem to mind)

When it's been a long time or you congratulate it's up to three (left-right-left cheek - again men & women, but not universal with men)

Seems some men take this a very serious threat to their masculinity

Now i've hear that some countries use to kisses for every type of greeting or none wgat so ever... Anybody care to confirm ?

Ah ... well, the greeting kisses ...

I have a lot of experience with this, since I'm half-italian and italians like these sort of greeting ... as well as pinching your cheeks ... *sigh*

I always feared the occasions when my italian relatives came in hordes to birthdays and the like and I had to suffer the whole procedure of kisses left, kisses right, kisses left and ohhh, how tall you became! followed by the traditional pinch in my cheek ...

If you greet someone with a kiss like that here it's seen as horribly snobbish.