Death and Remains

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:12 pm

If one was say a funeral director he would also need others to assist him and would have to have a special freezer where he could store the bodies until a convient time whether it be for burial or cremation.

On another note if too many werewolves " operated " around humans wouldn't they get suspicious after there co-workers came in with deep scar marks and such that heal quite quickly ? Assuming of course that hey have those healing abilities in the first place.

Since we were talking about smells, how likely is it that other werewolves or supernaturals might scent these burning bodies even if a crematorioum was used.

ABrownrigg · Post by **ABrownrigg** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:16 pm

I personally like the sacred burning place. A burning ceremony if you will. If ANYONE found that body, while in human OR wolf form and did any kind of DNA testing.. there might be trouble.

The bodies didnt USED to have to be burned, but nowadays its the best thing.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:34 pm

You can use burning I'm not saying it wouldn't work and would def. be an emotional scene on film, but you just have to factor in everything. If they are not noticed this time, by sight, smell, or sound, they would be eventually if they are anywhere near a human populace.

I'm starting to think along these lines, if we want to see werewolves as they are, acting without fear then they will have to be deep in the forest or high in the moutains or even the arctic where very few humans venture. Because if they are anywhere near a city, town, ect. then they are going to have to remain in human form most if not all of the time to avoid even the possibility of being seen. I hate bring it up again because I have been trying stay away from it, but White Wolf had an idea for solving the prob. I think it was called the Delirium or something, anyway it basically caused normal humans to forget whenever they saw a werewolf in werewolf form.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:32 am

ABrownrigg wrote:I personally like the sacred burning place. A burning ceremony if you will. If ANYONE found that body, while in human OR wolf form and did any kind of DNA testing.. there might be trouble.

The bodies didnt USED to have to be burned, but nowadays its the best thing.

Sure, I see no problem with that. After the flames go out, you'll have just bones. Remove those, grind it up, and scatter it throughout the land.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:44 am

You couldn't be burning them to often or in the same place for too long with humans around though....

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:30 am

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:You couldn't be burning them to often or in the same place for too long with humans around though....

They would do that in a place where only the werewolf knows. Maybe deep in a cave underground. The humans won't know if the werewolves do the ceramony there.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:09 pm

Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:You couldn't be burning them to often or in the same place for too long with humans around though....

They would do that in a place where only the werewolf knows. Maybe deep in a cave underground. The humans won't know if the werewolves do the ceramony there.

It would need to be a very large underground cave or else the smoke would kill the live werewolves.....and if it had an opening for the smoke and ash to exit that would still carry the prob. of a visible sign.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:12 pm

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:You couldn't be burning them to often or in the same place for too long with humans around though....

They would do that in a place where only the werewolf knows. Maybe deep in a cave underground. The humans won't know if the werewolves do the ceramony there.
It would need to be a very large underground cave or else the smoke would kill the live werewolves.....and if it had an opening for the smoke and ash to exit that would still carry the prob. of a visible sign.

Yes, a very large underground cave. In an area where humans don't dwell.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:26 pm

Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:You couldn't be burning them to often or in the same place for too long with humans around though....

They would do that in a place where only the werewolf knows. Maybe deep in a cave underground. The humans won't know if the werewolves do the ceramony there.
It would need to be a very large underground cave or else the smoke would kill the live werewolves.....and if it had an opening for the smoke and ash to exit that would still carry the prob. of a visible sign.

Yes, a very large underground cave. In an area where humans don't dwell.

That would work fine so long as the location of the film portrays that.

Which means you have little or no human interaction unless they travel to a human occupied area and it would have to be a great distance. Then should one of them die they might have to transport the body all that way back to dispose of it. The best way to portay it in the shortest time would be to probably have one of the characters either talk about or mention where the Wolf Doe would have to be taken and later show the rite being performed in an emotional scene.

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:39 pm

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:If one was say a funeral director he would also need others to assist him and would have to have a special freezer where he could store the bodies until a convient time whether it be for burial or cremation.

That wouldn't necessarilly be a problem. He would need assistants, yes, but he could opperate the funeral home as a family business and only hire either fellow pack members or any humans that are friends with the pack. Then again, even if he was the only werewolf or werewolf associate in the business, it still wouldn't be too much of a problem since the greatest ammount of work involved in the trade - the embalming process - is done in preparation for the wake. For a werewolf body, he could simply drive the hearse with a ready-made coffin, nail the lid shut on location, and upon returning to the business, instruct his staff that the victim's family has either requested a closed-casket wake, or no wake at all. So long as the coffin stays shut and in the presence of an air freshener, the hardest part would be getting the pack together for the funeral.

On another note if too many werewolves " operated " around humans wouldn't they get suspicious after there co-workers came in with deep scar marks and such that heal quite quickly ? Assuming of course that hey have those healing abilities in the first place.

Possibly, though that wouldn't be too hard to cover up. The easy way would be to cash in a sick day and spend the extra day letting the wound heal up, or if the wound was severe, call from a hospital pay phone announcing a broken bone, take a week off, then show up on Monday with a cast.

In the event that he couldn't call in sick, he could bandage up the wound and wear an article of clothing that would cover it. If he couldn't cover it up, however, all he would need is a knife and an alliby. The alliby would be a hobby where injuries wouldn't be that uncommon - mountain biking or down-hill skiing, for example, so if he had to go to work one day with a visible facial scar, the alliby would be that he was out riding one night, lost control and face-planted into a tree. Then to keep the wound from healing up too fast, he could theoretically trace over the scar with a swiss army knife once every morning to undo any excessive clotting or healing it may have done overnight. If it was something he could go to work with, he'd probably only need to do it two or three times before they'd expect it to heal up. Otherwise, he could always just cover what should be left of it with a band-aid.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:29 am

Terastas wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:If one was say a funeral director he would also need others to assist him and would have to have a special freezer where he could store the bodies until a convient time whether it be for burial or cremation.
That wouldn't necessarilly be a problem. He would need assistants, yes, but he could opperate the funeral home as a family business and only hire either fellow pack members or any humans that are friends with the pack. Then again, even if he was the only werewolf or werewolf associate in the business, it still wouldn't be too much of a problem since the greatest ammount of work involved in the trade - the embalming process - is done in preparation for the wake. For a werewolf body, he could simply drive the hearse with a ready-made coffin, nail the lid shut on location, and upon returning to the business, instruct his staff that the victim's family has either requested a closed-casket wake, or no wake at all. So long as the coffin stays shut and in the presence of an air freshener, the hardest part would be getting the pack together for the funeral.

On another note if too many werewolves " operated " around humans wouldn't they get suspicious after there co-workers came in with deep scar marks and such that heal quite quickly ? Assuming of course that hey have those healing abilities in the first place.
Possibly, though that wouldn't be too hard to cover up. The easy way would be to cash in a sick day and spend the extra day letting the wound heal up, or if the wound was severe, call from a hospital pay phone announcing a broken bone, take a week off, then show up on Monday with a cast.

In the event that he couldn't call in sick, he could bandage up the wound and wear an article of clothing that would cover it. If he couldn't cover it up, however, all he would need is a knife and an alliby. The alliby would be a hobby where injuries wouldn't be that uncommon - mountain biking or down-hill skiing, for example, so if he had to go to work one day with a visible facial scar, the alliby would be that he was out riding one night, lost control and face-planted into a tree. Then to keep the wound from healing up too fast, he could theoretically trace over the scar with a swiss army knife once every morning to undo any excessive clotting or healing it may have done overnight. If it was something he could go to work with, he'd probably only need to do it two or three times before they'd expect it to heal up. Otherwise, he could always just cover what should be left of it with a band-aid.

The only prob. I have left with the funeral parlor idea is if a coffin is used for the werewolf form it would be pretty large, and if humans work there they would have to be very trustworthy because they would eventually see something. How many werewolves would trust humans at all after so many centuries of persecution.

Interesting theory on corpse disposing, I was reading the book Anonymous Rex about dinosaurs that live in modern society disguising themselves as humans, anyway they use a special quick eating bacteria that consume all fleshy parts leaving only bones to rid themselves of. If some of our werewolves are scientists they might have been able to make something similar.

About healing, do werewolves even have scars after a wound heals ? If not then no problem or if the would heals in a matter of hours or faster no prob. but, if they scar then a large scar about the size of another werewolf's teeth would take a bit explaining.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:45 am

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote: About healing, do werewolves even have scars after a wound heals ? If not then no problem or if the would heals in a matter of hours or faster no prob. but, if they scar then a large scar about the size of another werewolf's teeth would take a bit explaining.

yes, werewolves can have scars.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:58 am

Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote: About healing, do werewolves even have scars after a wound heals ? If not then no problem or if the would heals in a matter of hours or faster no prob. but, if they scar then a large scar about the size of another werewolf's teeth would take a bit explaining.
yes, werewolves can have scars.

But should something as easily aquired as a bite of claw marking from another werewolf leave visible scars ? Ritual scaring would be another thing entirley.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:05 am

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote: About healing, do werewolves even have scars after a wound heals ? If not then no problem or if the would heals in a matter of hours or faster no prob. but, if they scar then a large scar about the size of another werewolf's teeth would take a bit explaining.
yes, werewolves can have scars.
But should something as easily aquired as a bite of claw marking from another werewolf leave visible scars ? Ritual scaring would be another thing entirley.

I'm looking at a scar on my hand that required stitches. I can clearly see the scar and the stitch marks. Werewolves have fast healing. Thats it. Nobody ever said the skin would end up like new again. If werewolves can die, then they can have scars.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:16 am

Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote: About healing, do werewolves even have scars after a wound heals ? If not then no problem or if the would heals in a matter of hours or faster no prob. but, if they scar then a large scar about the size of another werewolf's teeth would take a bit explaining.
yes, werewolves can have scars.
But should something as easily aquired as a bite of claw marking from another werewolf leave visible scars ? Ritual scaring would be another thing entirley.
I'm looking at a scar on my hand that required stitches. I can clearly see the scar and the stitch marks. Werewolves have fast healing. Thats it. Nobody ever said the skin would end up like new again. If werewolves can die, then they can have scars.

It would def. make them more mortal and harder for them to conceal what they are. Someone might argue that if werewolves can shapeshift shouldn't healing a wound entirely be quite likley ? Also if they can have scars then we are going to see a lot of them perhaps even some bitten ears and disfigured faces as well. The wolves I have observed usually have scars on their muzzles and ears that even fur won't hide from just in pack fighting.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:28 am

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:
It would def. make them more mortal and harder for them to conceal what they are. Someone might argue that if werewolves can shapeshift shouldn't healing a wound entirely be quite likley ? Also if they can have scars then we are going to see a lot of them perhaps even some bitten ears and disfigured faces as well. The wolves I have observed usually have scars on their muzzles and ears that even fur won't hide from just in pack fighting.

There is no healing process "during" the shift. If you have a serious injury, shifting could make it even worse. Also when shape shifting, the scar is still visible in both forms.

If you don't want the werewolves to have scars all over the face and body, then I suggest the werewolves don't have pack fights.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:40 am

Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:
It would def. make them more mortal and harder for them to conceal what they are. Someone might argue that if werewolves can shapeshift shouldn't healing a wound entirely be quite likley ? Also if they can have scars then we are going to see a lot of them perhaps even some bitten ears and disfigured faces as well. The wolves I have observed usually have scars on their muzzles and ears that even fur won't hide from just in pack fighting.

There is no healing process "during" the shift. If you have a serious injury, shifting could make it even worse. Also when shape shifting, the scar is still visible in both forms.

If you don't want the werewolves to have scars all over the face and body, then I suggest the werewolves don't have pack fights.

I would think the healing process would be faster in werewolf form with the excelerated body chemistry. This might be debatable depending on the wether the werewolves are going to spiritual beasts or natural ones.

The scars would still be there in any form but fur would cover the ones that occur where the fur is thickest.

Werewolves are probably going to resort to fighting to settle some arguments, such as leadership or rank. So some infighting is going to be unavoidable......

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:51 am

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote: I would think the healing process would be faster in werewolf form with the excelerated body chemistry. This might be debatable depending on the wether the werewolves are going to spiritual beasts or natural ones.

Carefull with that statement. Werewolves do have a higher metabolism in their wolf form. They can quickly "burn out" if the fuel is not replenished. (eating meat) If injured, the werewolf's over excellerated healing process may leave the werewolf in a very weak state.

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:Werewolves are probably going to resort to fighting to settle some arguments, such as leadership or rank. So some infighting is going to be unavoidable......

I can see it now.

1st werewolf. "Thats my duckie!! I saw it 1st."

2nd werewolf "Oh hell no!! Its mine!! Finders keepers!!

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:01 am

Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote: I would think the healing process would be faster in werewolf form with the excelerated body chemistry. This might be debatable depending on the wether the werewolves are going to spiritual beasts or natural ones.
Carefull with that statement. Werewolves do have a higher metabolism in their wolf form. They can quickly "burn out" if the fuel is not replenished. (eating meat) If injured, the werewolf's over excellerated healing process may leave the werewolf in a very weak state.

That comes back the topic of their exact nature. If the werewolf form is their natural one and a wolf and human form exist because they were evolved survival traits then their bodieswould function normally even with a faster healing ability. If they are supernatural or spiritual in nature then they would draw the most power from their enviroment in their most spiritual form the werewolf.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:07 am

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:If they are supernatural or spiritual in nature then they would draw the most power from their enviroment in their most spiritual form the werewolf.

Supernatural means special abilities. That I don't see in this movie. I think they are going the other route. Lets stay away from White-Wolf, shall we.

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:10 am

Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:If they are supernatural or spiritual in nature then they would draw the most power from their enviroment in their most spiritual form the werewolf.
Supernatural means special abilities. That I don't see in this movie. I think they are going the other route. Lets stay away from White-Wolf, shall we.

White Wolf aside, just being a werewolf is a pretty special ability.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:15 am

Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:If they are supernatural or spiritual in nature then they would draw the most power from their enviroment in their most spiritual form the werewolf.
Supernatural means special abilities. That I don't see in this movie. I think they are going the other route. Lets stay away from White-Wolf, shall we.
White Wolf aside, just being a werewolf is a pretty special ability.

It sure is.

But having them glow, summon spirits, and all that other White-Wolf stuff is a bit to much.

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:36 pm

Actually, having the werewolf revert to human form is one of the occasions in which Hollywood does borrow from legend. There are several legends about people killing a wolf only to see the body of a local hermit or other creepy guy, or of hacking off a body part, only to have it revert to a dismembered human part. In particular, I think of a paw-turned-hand, much like as was depicted in The Company of Wolves.

Obviously, this only makes sense if the werewolf was at least part human in the first place. Wolves-turned-werewolf would have to revert to wolf form instead.

If werewolves didn't revert, however, the coverup would be a bit interesting.

"(sniffle.) Can I take one last look? Please?"

"It was in his will that this be a closed casket service. He was most insistant on that."

"Please!" (sniffle.) I want to see him one last time!"

"He said in his will that he wanted to be remembered for how he was."

(Knocking from the coffin. Lid pops open, and a wolf creature in hybrid form pops up.) "Hi, everyone! I've healed my wounds!" (looks around, watching everyone panic and run. Looks down and sees the coffin, and the one remaining person standing there.) "Uh, Bill, remember...fast healing...only silver bullets? ...Any of this ring a bell?"

Of course, there's the legend that when a werewolf dies, one comes back as a vampire. That'll put a sock into any White Wolf weenie.

ChaosWolf · Post by **ChaosWolf** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:13 pm

Scott Gardener wrote:Of course, there's the legend that when a werewolf dies, one comes back as a vampire.

Gah. Talk about a 'fate worse than death'... *shudder*

Blade-of-the-Moon · Post by **Blade-of-the-Moon** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:00 pm

Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:
Figarou wrote:
Blade-of-the-Moon wrote:If they are supernatural or spiritual in nature then they would draw the most power from their enviroment in their most spiritual form the werewolf.
Supernatural means special abilities. That I don't see in this movie. I think they are going the other route. Lets stay away from White-Wolf, shall we.
White Wolf aside, just being a werewolf is a pretty special ability.

It sure is.

But having them glow, summon spirits, and all that other White-Wolf stuff is a bit to much.[/quote

I'll agree on that, but brings up another point : religion. Calling spirits would be in the same tradition as most native peoples then.

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