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Short Tail wrote:so to you geekboy1500, I say this: Right click, dude.

One can actually go out and buy a mouse other than the one their computer ships with. SHOKKU!

to short tail i say mighty mouse... dude

http://images.apple.com/mightymouse/ima ... 050802.jpg

lupin posted as i was posting the mightymouse is the one that APPLE MAKES
almost any mouse will work with an apple because there are NO DRIVERS

geekboy1500 wrote:to short tail i say mighty mouse... dude

http://images.apple.com/mightymouse/ima ... 050802.jpg

lupin posted as i was posting the mightymouse is the one that APPLE MAKES
almost any mouse will work with an apple because there are NO DRIVERS

Ah, yet another reason why I could not use a mac. I. I am a gammer and a mac gammer is a classic oxymoron. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... =mac+gamer the eyebrows dont lie...
II. None of my keyboards or mice would work seeing as how all of them require drives since they have advanced functions other than click and type.

Lupin wrote:

geekboy1500 wrote: and Plus for u windows Fanatics Macs can now run windows

That's kinda like bolting a spolier on the back of a luxury car.

Heh...more like polishing the hood of a rusted, non-functional, piece of crap.

Renorei wrote:Heh...more like polishing the hood of a rusted, non-functional, piece of crap.

Doesn't really work considering the number of security holes windows has had in the past year or so, it would be more akin to the rusted out piece of crap.

short tail

MACS CAN RUN WINDOWS

(accept without all the viruses spyware etc.)

besides you can buy advanced gaming mouses from apples website along with mac compatible games, and accessories

geekboy1500 wrote:short tail

MACS CAN RUN WINDOWS

(accept without all the viruses spyware etc.)

besides you can buy advanced gaming mouses from apples website along with mac compatible games, and accessories

I already stated good for them. I am glad they realize that you need windows to stay competative. yet you c\ompletley blew off my other piont. You cannot build a mac yourself which I do. I have people commission me to build them gamming computers and I have yet to see mac parts for sale. Also, I took note of the fact that neither my mx518 nor G15 work with Macs. GG, I dont care anymore. They are still impracticcal for anything other than professional photo and video editing.

Lupin wrote:

Renorei wrote:Heh...more like polishing the hood of a rusted, non-functional, piece of crap.

Doesn't really work considering the number of security holes windows has had in the past year or so, it would be more akin to the rusted out piece of crap.

I don't care about security holes, that hasn't affected me or my PC. All I know is, as someone who's not a computer genius but has used both Macs and PCs, Macs suck!! PCs are waaay easier to use, and that's what I care about.

Renorei wrote:I don't care about security holes, that hasn't affected me or my PC.

Sure about that? Just a few months ago getting infected was just as easy as viewing the wrong image.

All I know is, as someone who's not a computer genius but has used both Macs and PCs, Macs suck!! PCs are waaay easier to use, and that's what I care about.

For you maybe. But I've heard the exact opposite statement from others. Blanket statments like "X sucks" don't work with OS choices.

Short Tail wrote:I have people commission me to build them gamming computers and I have yet to see mac parts for sale.

That's because with the exception of the motherboard firmware, Macs use the exact same parts as PCs do. It isn't 1992 anymore.

accept for the fact that macs put there computers in sleek wonderful white and black forms

and windows puts there firmware into (this is assuming you are not building your own i have seen some BEAUTIFUL homebuilt cases etc.) ugly deformed gray boxes

Renorei macs are easier to use, my 83 year old grandmother has a mac G4 laptop and navigates it with ease.

additonally i think when you delete a file IT SHOULD GO AWAY with a Windows PC if you delete somthing (ie. rootkit) it is STILL on your computer if you delete somthing on a mac it is ACTULLY GONE which is the point of deleting it IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

But what if you accidently deleted something important? What then.

you could only do that if you ignore the big box saying "are you sure you want to empty the trash. This action cannot be undone"

geekboy1500 wrote:Renorei macs are easier to use,

Nope. I've used both extensively, PCs are far easier.

Renorei wrote:Nope. I've used both extensively, PCs are far easier.

...in your opinion.

Both have thier ups and downs PC is easier for people playing games and doing and surfing the web. macs are easier for graphics, music and creative stuff like that.

Lupin wrote:

Renorei wrote:Nope. I've used both extensively, PCs are far easier.

...in your opinion.

Of course.

However, when someone makes a declaratory statement that really should be clearly pointed out as an opinion, I typically respond the same way.


PCs are way better for me, and a lot of other people too. Macs are way better for you, Geekboy, Geekboy's granny, and others who prefer them for whatever reason.

all my incredibly bigoted blanket statments were ment as opinions

geekboy1500 wrote:all my incredibly bigoted blanket statments were ment as opinions

It's cool. Mine are too.

With the introduction of "MacIntels," the Mac vs. PC arguments are becoming less one of real technology and more of emotion. Note that this is still not totally true, as though the hardware may be converging, there's still the software issues. Yes, you can load Windows on a Mac, but you can't load OSX on a PC. Those who advocate OSX's reported stability do have a good argument. But, a lot of the die-hard Mac people are motivated largely by strong emotion and by historical differences that aren't as true today.

Software differences:

Mac users have long pointed out the greater stability of OSX over Windows. I have only occasionally worked with OSX, having never owned a Mac myself, but I worked quite heavily with OS9, its predicessor, in the early to mid nineties, when I relied heavily on computers on a school campus. I used Macs frequently, and I almost ended up being a Mac person in medical school, opting instead for a machine running the then still-new Windows 95 because of its widespread compatability. OS9 and OSX are both HUGELY more stable than the older Windows 9x platform. Windows 98 (both first draft and SE) is highly crash-prone, and sometimes will even stall or crash while you're still installing it. Reviews on Windows ME were so bad that I skipped upgrading to it, waiting for XP to come out. I was impressed at how much more stable Windows XP has been by comparison. Even when it (or rather its "Windows Explorer" interface) crashes, which actually takes work to have happen, it will crash quietly in the background and reload while your programs are still happily running along uninterrupted. But, Mac users who switched from Windows before 2001 may still have bitter memories of Windows 9x instability.

Compatability:

In retrospect, my main argument was not a good one back in my med school days. Sure, Windows may support 200 different audio editing programs, while a Mac might only support 15, but you only need one, as long as it works. The argument is a good one for gamers, who look for specific titles. But, for everyday purposes, most people could do fine on either.

I tend to archive my data in standardized formats, for the sake of future-proofing, making sure my files are still good ten or twenty years down the road. mp3 music is here to stay. Sure, ogg vorbis may be a better format, but how many ogg vorbis players are out there? Macs and PCs both play mp3s out of the box, and there's not a single mp3 player that doesn't play them. Heck, we call them mp3 players. No one calls them "wma" players. My documents are all in rich text format; I avoided Microsoft Word format in spite of its present market dominance because I watched WordPerfect go from king of the world almost overnight into obscurity, and I had to convert each and every document after this happened.

Using standardized formats, I haven't had archival problems. Both PCs and Macs can read these standard formats, and, ever since CD writing came about, they can also share them from each other's media. So, format support is a non-issue today.

Cost:

I bought a PC back in 1996 because it was cheaper for the same megahertz. But, again, my reasoning was flawed at the time. In retrospect, I could have gone with the Mac that was a little more expensive with a "slower" processor, because, as we all well know today, thanks to better marketing, it's an Apples to Oranges comparison. (Well, Apple to Hewlett Packard comparison, really.)

Today, most Macs are pretty high end hardware, so you have to pay a lot to get one. You get a great and powerful computer, but not a cheap one. It's akin to buying the higher end of the PC range.

But, there's the notable exception of the Mac Mini, which is not only cheap, but has the charm of one of the smallest form factors in the industry. It's smaller than some of my peripheral accessories. And, for basic web surfing, word processing, and other stuff, it would do a lot of people just fine. My wife Cathey has been intimidated by computers and has been reluctant to use them, though that is just beginning to change. (She's our newest member, TwoMoons, by the way. Please give her a welcome.) And, I think a Mac Mini would be a great way for people like her to get started.

Tablet PCs:

I'm a sucker for tablet PCs myself. I got one finally, and it soon became my main computer, practically moving into the closet a great high-end Toshiba laptop with a beautiful 17 inch widescreen monitor. The tablet PC is convenient for travel; it's a convertable I can swivel from laptop to tablet mode when wandering around. But, most interesting of all, I can draw right on the screen.

In spite of the painfully obvious, no one seems to market these things as artist's tools. Photoshop on a tablet PC is great. Since I've gotten it, I don't even think I've drawn on paper. I may from time to time, but I really like having it in digital form; it's easy to erase, cut, paste, resize--you can fix a head that's too small or a hand that's too large while you're still sketching.

But, Apple just won't make a Mac tablet. They're all PCs, and nearly all of them run an exclusive version of Windows custom-tailored for them. Most graphic artists are die-hard Mac people; it's indoctrinated in the industry. You go to med school, and you learn bad handwriting. You go to law school, and they teach you how to do loud, obnoxious "have you been injured?" commercials. When you get your Master of Fine Arts degree, you get issued a MacIntosh, a dart board with Bill Gates, and a full set of "Think Different" meditation tapes. Graphic artists using PCs are only legend, though I think I identify with them on some spiritual level. I'm an iTherianthrope.

And this may indeed be the reason that tablet PCs are so slow to catch on.

Is there a Mac in my future?

I've been suggesting a MacIntosh to my wife for some time, but she's been hesitant to commit. I've set up laptops and a split-account desktop setup for her in the past, but she's been a bit reluctant. Given the cost, even a Mac Mini is perhaps just a little too much to surprise her without consulting with her first. Still, I think her first forays into joining The Pack suggest that she'll be more active online after we get moved. Eventually, she'll want her own computer. At first, she'll probably be content to use the ones we have. But, there's something about having your own. The elegant low profile of the Mac Mini makes it a likely candidate, though she might opt instead for a more robust system, like the iMac. Then again, she's learning right now on a PC, so she may hesitate to change systems early on, opting instead for one of the last XP based systems before Windows Vista hits the market early next year.

Still, I might also get a Mac for myself. I'm a power user at the other end of the spectrum, and I've worked with Macs in the past; I know how powerful they can be. Now that they can run Windows smoothly side by side with OSX, I might very well find myself saving up for a monstrous Power Mac tower and accompanying monitor. It may be awhile, but it's not inconceivable being able to afford such a thing in a dual-boot or virtual machine emulated setup.

Scott Gardener wrote:Mac users have long pointed out the greater stability of OSX over Windows. I have only occasionally worked with OSX, having never owned a Mac myself, but I worked quite heavily with OS9, its predicessor, in the early to mid nineties, when I relied heavily on computers on a school campus. I used Macs frequently, and I almost ended up being a Mac person in medical school, opting instead for a machine running the then still-new Windows 95 because of its widespread compatability. OS9 and OSX are both HUGELY more stable than the older Windows 9x platform.

It's funny that you said that. OS 9 is usually considered one of the most crash-prone release of Mac OS there was. Which isn't suprising considering it had a code base going back 15 years which started out as an OS for a single-tasking, diskless, 7MHz computer..

One more point to be made in favor of macs

OSX needs a slower processer to run at the same speed as a windows because an apple takes fewer steps to get the same thing accomplished

(and my windows XP took 3 trys before going to a professional to get it to install [we updated from ME])

The x vs y junk is off-topic here.

Anubis - This you don't have permissions junk. Is it comming from the Os itself or is it comming from McAffe?

If it's....

The operating system: I would consider making sure you are using an administrator privelaged account. I'd reccomend you restart the comuter, and while it's booting, press F8. You'd get a list of options on how windows can start up. I'd select safe mode. You might see an account called "Administator". If nothing has been tampered with, the account is ready to be used. Go to...
"Start" > "Controll Panel" > "User Accounts"

All user accounts should be listed as well as their user privelages. If your account does not list it to be as a "Computer Administrator" and instead gives "Limited account", consider changing your user privelages to "Computer Administrator".

The application McAffe: I'd recomend finding out how to allow for application exceptions. Many programs like this have an "Ignore List" so that if the program would normally cause the application to raise an alarm, McAffe would know better and allow the ignored program to run without fuss.