One of the best Animations I've seen!!

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:59 am

Well, I don't have a problem with someone just not liking it for what it is. Listen to the music- he's supposed to be strutting like a model. That's just a matter of personal preference.

Geekboy did at least try to make helpful suggestions, although that still doesn't tell us exeactly where the problem is.
Personally, I don't think that's it. Have you ever tried to walk on your toes like that? It doesn't really work the same way as a plantigrade stride. It's like tip-toing. It's hard not to let your foot come down precisely where it's supposed to because of the angle of the foot.

But yes- as for the art, do you go to that section often? It happens all the time. I'm already sensitive enough that my art-snob of a Drawing II professor thinks I'm not an artist because I don't like drawing flower pots and naked people.
I only value critiques from better artists. There are a few wonderful artists here on the Pack, but they're never the ones who offer advice. I absolutely have no interest in hearing why my art sucks from somebody who couldn't trace a stickman.

ravaged_warrior · Post by **ravaged_warrior** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:18 am

Well, I just went to the art section to see what you were talking about, but I still don't know what you mean. Most responses consist of compliments, many of them one word, which, as I said before, aren't that helpful if you want to know how to get better. The closest thing I saw to negative was this:

MattSullivan wrote:Not bad. I think you ought to thicken the tail area, because your character's legs are VERY thick where they attatch to the torso...and the tail is very thin in comparison. Also, I would rough out a drawing firts, focusing less and less on details until you got the pose and proportions where you want them to be.

He gave a pretty detailed explanation on what he thought, and as for the stickman comment, this is, as you can see, written by Matt Sullivan.

Keep in mind I'm not disagreeing for the hell of it, I really don't know what you mean.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:19 am

Well most of the really bad threads have been closed.

ravaged_warrior · Post by **ravaged_warrior** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:23 am

PariahPoet wrote:Well most of the really bad threads have been closed.

Oh... Well, still, are there really that many? It seems I would have noticed one by now.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:18 pm

Teh_DarkJokerWolf wrote: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/244452/

You gotta admit he's good an no one of us here could do that

I just did a bit more reading, and I found out he used someone's motion caputre data for that movement. You know, the thing where a person wears a suit with the white balls glued all over. It's a time saver, and these days is a requirement in CGI movies and games. Lucky me, there's a motion capture studio owned by the University of New Mexico that I am allowed to use. The only hard part is rigging a character correctly for motion capture data, and I haven't learned how to do that yet. I will know how by the end of this year, hopefully.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:27 pm

Ooh! I'd love to see what you can do with that.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:47 pm

PariahPoet wrote:Well, I don't have a problem with someone just not liking it for what it is. Listen to the music- he's supposed to be strutting like a model. That's just a matter of personal preference.

Since I'm a male...I rather see that type of walk on a female. Not another male.

Hello nurse!!!

PariahPoet wrote:I'm already sensitive enough that my art-snob of a Drawing II professor thinks I'm not an artist because I don't like drawing flower pots and naked people.

Everyone has thier personal preference in what they like to draw. There is nothing wrong with that. If animals is what you like to draw...then draw to your hearts content. There are those that really appreciate what you have done so far.

I enjoy your art. You have drawn my character several times. Some are quite humourous. Putting a smile on someone face with your art can brighten thier day.

MoonKit · Post by **MoonKit** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:33 pm

Wow, why do simple animations threads almost erupt into arguments?

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:07 pm

Hmmm. Well, you have to do the work assigned to you. Profs hate it when students complain about the curriculum that they fine tuned into perfection. Gotta love that ego they all have right? Seriously though, drawing the human figure is very important for any art degree. It definatly inhances one's own ability to draw the draped figure. Thus very important for artisically portraying people in any way shape or form.

However, if I were to complain about anything, I'd ask my dean or the technical director why accounting is required for an animation degree.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:32 am

Exactly why I'm not an art major. Naked people are just repulsive.
Seriously, these stupid art snobs (professors and a lot of art majors at my university) have absolutely no respect for cartooning or fantasy art. I hate still life and figure drawing. For me art is bringing something into existance that you would not see in 'reality'. If I wanted to look at a flower pot I'd buy one and put it on my table. Why draw something if you can look at the real thing?(of course why I would be so into pots in the first place is beyond me)

If you like to imitate real life, that's fine. I respect that, it takes a lot of skill, but I'm tired of people telling me I'm not an artist because I don't.

When I have trouble with a human form I reference my manequin. I've learned more from studying artists like Goldenwolf than I have in all my college level art classes combined. Drawing millions of paper bags and flower pots does jack-squat for what I do. I've come to the conclusion that all my art classes have been a waste of supplies. Any improvement I may have ever made was self-taught.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:18 am

I especially recommend figure drawing if you want to do character design. As simplistic as cartoons may be at times, even I refer to anatomy for correct proportions and muscle mass. It's important to know human anatomy and how to draw that anatomy if you want to do a cleanly designed biped character. Before I took classes on it the head was allways too large on my characters, and the legs too long. Fixes such as that are important for a viewer to see a character as a good design. People recognize shapes, and if those shapes are off proportion, we lose sight of beleiveing an image. Cartoon or otherwise.

You don't have to like drawing nude figures, but it's a valuble learning experiance. Grey's Anatomy is a great reference too. (The book, not the TV show.) If doing a cat creature though, look at the human skeleton, and the skull of a tiger. You can see how the skin and muscle fills out the face and body.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:44 pm

May I repeat- I am absolutely NOT going to draw nudes. The very idea repulses me. There is nothing that I could learn from a nude that I couldn't learn from a model in a swimsuit. (at least nothing that I will ever draw) Now drop it.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You are implying that I am not a "real" artist and that I must be bad at drawing human forms because I don't draw nudes. I am sick of hearing that.

Now that is all I have to say.

Teh_DarkJokerWolf · Post by **Teh_DarkJokerWolf** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 3:18 pm

PariahPoet wrote:May I repeat- I am absolutely NOT going to draw nudes. The very idea repulses me. There is nothing that I could learn from a nude that I couldn't learn from a model in a swimsuit. (at least nothing that I will ever draw) Now drop it.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You are implying that I am not a "real" artist and that I must be bad at drawing human forms because I don't draw nudes. I am sick of hearing that.

Now that is all I have to say.

I'm going to have to agree with the Rundi here... You don't need nudes for anatomy, I dunno why they even do that anyways. Kinda useless I gotta say. A swim suit fits just fine. I'm sure we all know about each others parts without it just being thrown in our faces. A clever way to use porn in schools

Making it at art reference..HAHA!! never thought of that till you mentioned it Pariah!! You can make a charrie design without that just fine. You want charrie design I say use your brain an be creative. I'm sure if your really looking for a charrie design you most like won't be seeing there private areas unless you have an adult comic or something. I personally created Sabre/Joker from my brain as well as my other charries.If you notice in that animation, you saw no nude parts, it was smoothed out flat. Proof that those classes for nude art really imho aren't needed an a waste of monies. if your old enough to be in college you KNOW how those parts look already unless you been in a closet for the last oh 20 years

If anyone finds the need to take those courses that's fine, but I just dun think it's needed either... No offense to you Kaebora, this post isn't attacking you, I'm just stating my opinion