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Wow, the quaker parakeet is banned there, eh? Surprising, since it's common elsewhere. Maybe they had too many escapees.

I have no idea what those are....but have you ever seen those green parrot things flying around? They are very loud squawkers O_O

Quakers look like this. I've seen them in many pet stores and magazines, as they seem to be a pretty popular mid-size bird.


How can you not love this face? It's in a tub! With a tail! And it has FEET! And and and!

Seriously though, if in the future I decide I want to own one, I plan to spend time helping to take care of one so I can see what its temperament is like. For all I know they could be too loud, nasty, jumpy, violent, or messy for me.

You gotta love those feet :}

You guys seriously might not want to own a Kangaroo. They are great pets if raised correctly as babies (joeys), but if threatened a Kangaroo can kick your stomach open. Far too dangerous for most people if you ask me. Most owners will duct tape their claws, and (although nessesary) seems a bit cruel to me and my friends whom are into Exotic pets. Marsupials are sensitive and very defensive. If you invade their space in a way they dislike, SMACK! Wallaroos are just as dangerous as Kangaroos. Wallabys are safer since they are smaller, but just the same temperment. Only the owners that hand fed them since childhood should handle them.

Set wrote:It takes thousands of years to domesticate an animal, not a few generations.

I know more than you think I do. Fact is most people, whether they've done their research or not, can't take care of the animal they get. Reading about them and living with them are two totally different things.

Do you have a friend with a zoology degree that can back up those statements? I learn all of this from my friend who is not only a Zoology major, but in a guild of Exotic pet rescuers. He takes care of animals that are abandoned by the owners that weren't prepared for the responsibilities of Exotic care. HE tells me that any animals that are raised as a baby by humans, and given plenty of human contact, can be domesticated in just a couple of years. Most non-scavenger animals are hot-tempered, and thus have to be allowed their space. Even Wallabys are known to kick and bite if they feel threatened. You have to know how to handle the animal without stressing it. Once you have that down pat, there is no cruelty or bodily harm involved... to either the human or the animal. My research on this is hands-on. Is yours?

You first, since you're completely misreading what I'm trying to say...

wolf4life wrote:They are always going to have moments where their wild instincts come in!

Did I ever say domestics don't have instincts? That's not what I meant.

wolf4life wrote:if saying that every animal should be taken back to the wild would be mutany against the owner.

I never said people should give up something they already have. I'm saying those who don't have an exotic pet SHOULD NOT GET ONE. There's a difference. I fully realize animals raised in captivity don't stand much chance in the wild. And how is that mutiny?

wolf4life wrote:Animals are smarter then your going them for Set.

Where exactly did I say animals weren't intelligent? Stop looking for reasons to b**** at me. Just because you don't like the idea that "owning" a wolf isn't good for that wolf is no reason to try and take it out on me.

Your turn.

Kaebora, I was raised around animals, I ought to know a thing or two about them. Stop treating me like I'm some ignorant child.

If you want to get into the "My friend is more qualified than yours!" argument (which in and of itself is childish) then perhaps I should tell you about a couple of people I knew some years back. One had a squirrel, and another had a bobcat. I still know people with wolf hybrids. Even I had a robin at one point.

The guy with the bobcat. Cared for it very well. Had its canines removed, but you would still see the scars on his arms from where the cat tried to play with him. And before you ask, yes, he had raised it himself. I have no idea what happened to that bobcat, because it wasn't too long before he found out he had cancer, freaked out and ran away.

Which brings me to a question. Since you seem so dead-set on getting a wallaby, and want it after you retire, what will happen to that wallaby if for some reason you died before it did? Not many people know how to take care of them. And like I said before, reading about something and living with it are two completely different things. Most zoos aren't going to take them. They don't have the room. A wildlife rescue may only specialize in local animals, or certain things like big cats. And even if you find one that's qualified to take care of your pet (not just one that falsely claims to be able to) there's still the question of whether or not they'll have the room and money to take it in.

Do you really do your reasearch or do you just stop reading whenever it becomes inconvenient for you?

In case you can't tell, the "hay guyz I gotz a wulf, aren't I l337 lol" attitude that mose people who want exotics tend to display REALLY pisses me off. And that's all I've seen, even from those of you who think you have it all figured out. You want this animal, why? Because of the novelty. Because it's unusual, because it's somehow cooler or better than a cat or a dog.

I have no problem with people who daydream about having this or that animal. It's the ones who actually plan to go out and get them that worry me.

Ok 1. Im not trying to b**** you! Im trying to make a point that animals should be taken as pets if they can be cared for correctly and not taken out of the wild if they cant be CORRECTLY TAKEN CARE OF!

and 2. If you think its wrong to own exotic pets...thats great! GO YOU! Nothing your going to say is going to change what I think so Im dont with this whole thing...now you and someone else can argue about this s***

i want a panther cub, a wolf, a monkey, a lion, a penguin, a dolphin, a white tiger because they are on the endangered list

BUT only if I had the money to take care of them...

I want a Wallaby not to show it off and be boastful at all. I agree that that is the wrong reason to obtain any living creature. It's because of the unique companionship that Wallabys provide. Very few animals have as powerful a family bond as Marsupials do. I always wanted an animal companion that would see me as a family member, and not just a food source. Alas, the ones I helped my friend with treated me as a stranger (much more shy), since I wasn't the one that hand reared them since birth.

Dogs, cats, rodents... most are scavengers, and rely on the scraps of other species, and that doesn't appeal to me. Plus, my current dog is 17 years old, with not too many years left in her. When she dies, I doubt I could bring myself to buy another dog. I've had my Puffy since I was four years old.

Well, those are my reasons. I'm not letting this turn into a debate, mostly because your opinions and facts Set are never changing dispite what the opposition says. I know what I know from experiance helping out with animals, and that's enough for me. I've mostly worked with Marsupials like Wallaroos, Wallabys, and Sugar Gliders. Perhaps they are quite different than the animals you are used to careing for. I just don't like to see people be misinformed about this subject. Whatever, I'm through arguing since this is going nowhere.

I'm also backing out of this one before it gets locked over another needless debate.

we all know stuff and have different opionins........

its like politics but we are smarter

On that note, any more overtly insulting posts will be deleted. It's nothing personal... just forum rules. Do not directly attack other members. Set, my assumption that you do not understand the Exotics market was not intended as a direct insult, but you could have corrected me in a far less threatening manner.

Now... back on topic.

My 7th grade math teacher used to own a spider monkey when I was still in his class. After reaching high-school I saw him on the news. His pet bit a neighbor, and they reported it. The monkey was taken away by authorities for that reason, and because primates are illegal as pets in Texas. Because he bought it in Oklahoma where it is legal, he wasn't severely penalized. Still, it shows you just how serious the government is when it comes to animal control.

Kaebora wrote:You guys seriously might not want to own a Kangaroo. They are great pets if raised correctly as babies (joeys), but if threatened a Kangaroo can kick your stomach open. Far too dangerous for most people if you ask me. Most owners will duct tape their claws, and (although nessesary) seems a bit cruel to me and my friends whom are into Exotic pets. Marsupials are sensitive and very defensive. If you invade their space in a way they dislike, SMACK! Wallaroos are just as dangerous as Kangaroos. Wallabys are safer since they are smaller, but just the same temperment. Only the owners that hand fed them since childhood should handle them.

Well...who knows. Like I said I'd like to help take care of one to start with, probably through volunteering, just to see what they're like. Of course if I bought one I'd have it pulled ASAP to promote bonding. Hell, I might even have it declawed. But! It's just a fantasy right now, nothing is set in stone. For all I know in the future I won't even be able to tend a goldfish.

I have touched and handled one before, and asked about its temperament. The handler said it was a neglected exotic and it was one of the laziest and sweetest rescued animals they had. And boy, are they soft! Their fur is short, thin, and dense. It sure did like chewing on things. I liken it to a cross between a goat and a cat.

For most Kangaroo related species, the more they come in contact with large numbers of people, the more docile they can be towards strangers. It's not suprising that the one you speak of was gentle since it probobly was shown in public a lot, or at least recieved a lot of visitors such as yourself. As far as I know, Wallabys are as uniquely individual as humans, and can develop very different habits and personalities. Give it a happy lifestyle, and they'll treat you just as kindly. Heh, my buddy Calen's personal wallaby named "Shorty" would even sleep in the same bed with him every night, and even try to get into the tub with him if he forgot to close the bathroom door.


The Wallabys I helped with were given up by the owners, so they were less willing to be touched by myself and the other caretakers. One Wallaby was quite defensive of his food bowl, even when empty, so we had to make sure he was preoccupied while refilling it. A positive and social upbringing for a Roo is very important in tameing their temperment. I helped care for many animals that owners become overwhelmed with. This is why I always preach about researching an animal before buying so it wont end up neglected.

That's interesting! Wallabies are adorable, and I had no idea they could be so individual. Now I want one of those, too. Damn it.

well dont we all just want every animal???

Personally...

I would want them all aswell but then again...I couldnt probably pay for one of them as far as my high school career is going

Don't get a big kangaroo! Yes, they have big feet and those big boingy feet have claws strong enough to gut you. Seeing a kangaroo rear up on his tail and send a palooka crashing into the other wall is funny in cartoons and a tragedy in real life. And the cartoon palooka never gets to see the colour of his intestines...

So. In Oregon, we have some pretty fierce laws regarding the keeping of exotics. There ain't much available legally, but two of the more interesting ones are reindeer and zebras. There's actually a couple reindeer breeders around here. It goes without saying, they make a killing around Christmas; people hire them for Christmas tree lot and private Christmas parties and they can pull down $1000 in a 5-hour night, every night from Thanksgiving through the first week of January.

You can also keep water buffalo here, not altogether surprisingly. I was looking into getting a cow. I'd like to have a farm and real mozzarella is made with water buffalo milk. I was going to sell mozzarella di bufala and ghee at the farmers' market and the local upscale grocer chain.

I found it somewhat ironic and a little weird that bison are considered exotics.

Z wrote:as far as the ferrets in california thing, there is a significant amount of southern californians with ferrets (this is why the stores sell ferret supplies). they get their ferrets from mexico. it is not possible to successfully ban something organic.

Just wanted to point out that while people still get ferrets...if their ferrets were ever found (since its illegal to have them), the ferrets stand a good chance of being killed. So sneaking an exotic is not the best idea.

but the only problem is......doing things that break rules are the only thing that people do it for!

wolf4life wrote:but the only problem is......doing things that break rules are the only thing that people do it for!

I beg to differ. Drinking alchohol or smoking while underage... maybe. But this is pet ownership. The life of another creature. I know not of a single person that owns an exotic illegally. Those that did and had them taken away, and owned the pet before they moved to the area where it was illegal. This is not a situation where someone buys just because it's illegal. I wouldn't buy a Wallaby for $2000 just to have it taken away. That's a loss of an investment, AND the animal gets put down. Not good.

i kinda just ment in general...alot of people will do illegal things just to break the rules and think its all cool

That greatly depends on the situation.

just come to my school....


youll see what i mean

Speak of the devil! We just had a cover page story on a lady in Oakridge who has a couple of anteaters for pets. The photo is of her kissing one right on its tubular schnozz...

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2007/ ... 822.p1.php

lol that things kinda cute

Wow, cool, I just went through the list of non-controlled animals for this state.

You can keep giraffes and okapis here.

Giraffes be cool