The White Tiger Fraud

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:16 am

And, diverging from this little fight, more depressing stuff about tigers!

When I read this, I cried

ravaged_warrior · Post by **ravaged_warrior** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:22 am

Dreamer wrote:And, diverging from this little fight, more depressing stuff about tigers!

When I read this, I cried

That's terrible... I don't even know what to say about that.

vrikasatma · Post by **vrikasatma** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:35 am

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:51 am

ravaged_warrior wrote:
As for art? It is a skill unique to humans, as far as I'm aware. I've yet to hear of any animal species knowingly create art.

No, it is not. Elephants and some primates draw with sticks and pebbles and paint when handlers provide it for them. Also several types of birds go out of their way to decorate their nests with ribbons, flowers, and pretty stuff.
So no, art is not a human creation.

And I don't appreciate you assuming to know whether I am trying to understand your oh-so-important viewpoint or not. I know exactly what you're saying. You are confusing not caring with a lack of comprehension. I suppose the only way you would believe I understood you is if I agreed with you. And that is not going to happen.

Silent Hunter · Post by **Silent Hunter** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:53 am

Perhaps we are sick of people spouting how bad our race is over and over again. Perhaps we are stick of comments where they hope hunters are killed. I've seen your ilk before and i hate the general attertude of all of you. Our nature of wanting more, killing enjoyment, etc was given to us by nature. Swollow that pill.

ravaged_warrior · Post by **ravaged_warrior** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:48 am

No, it's just that pretty much all of your comments have suggested a lack of comprehension. You see, if you had understood my comments, you would have said something to suggest that you did. You didn't, and you refuse to consider any viewpoint but your own, instead choosing to stereotype a HUGE amount of people you don't know based on a few people that you've heard about. It really is very similar to racism in the mentality of it.

This conversation is over from my side, but feel free to continue your ignorant nonsense.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:18 pm

SH-I'd rather not swolow a pill for my attertude.

ravaged_warrior wrote:No, it's just that pretty much all of your comments have suggested a lack of comprehension. You see, if you had understood my comments, you would have said something to suggest that you did. You didn'

No, I course I certainly never said anything like this....

PariahPoet wrote:. I know exactly what you're saying. You are confusing not caring with a lack of comprehension.

ravaged_warrior wrote: and you refuse to consider any viewpoint but your own, instead choosing to stereotype a HUGE amount of people you don't know[/url] based on a few people that you've heard about.

Ugh....you are the one who isn't understanding. I have already said several times that I hate the species, which is very different from hating every single individual. I judge individuals as I meet them. And most that I meet suck. Do you care to continue proving my point?

ravaged_warrior · Post by **ravaged_warrior** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:24 pm

PariahPoet wrote:Do you care to continue proving my point?

What, you aren't proving it well enough yourself? And my point as well, curiously enough... Either way, I repeat:

This conversation is over from my side

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:34 pm

Sounds good to me. That is my only request- to be left alone to feel the way I do without getting flamed because someone's oppinion differs from my own.

ravaged_warrior · Post by **ravaged_warrior** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:41 pm

Fine by me. By the way, nobody really flamed you before you got angry. Really, it's more the generalizations and stereotyping that led to and are implied by the opinion rather than the opinion itself that bothers me, and judging by his reply, Silent Hunter as well.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:45 pm

Any time that "

" is used in conjunction with ridiculously huge, bold font, it looks like a flame to me. That is why I got mad, because I don't like people telling me how I can and can't feel.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:00 pm

So white tigers arent really a natural species?

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:24 pm

Hello?! Did anybody hear what I just said. The Indian tigers are f**ked. The only unlikely hope would be a condor-type breeding program in my opinion, and that seems incredibly unlikely.

vrikasatma · Post by **vrikasatma** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:04 pm

Yes, I heard it.

Sometimes things are so bad, the spirit is broken. The imminent extinction of wild tigers predicted in our lifetime (the next ten years) would come under that heading.

I'm going to keep trying. The pain of watching a major species die off is nothing compared to the pain of a world without tigers, period. At least we have the zoos, which *can* be made true Arks for the tiger (and other species).

But what needs to be done is to get the WORD out, tell people what's going on, and get them to do something about it. If it means siccing the UN on them and having a world conservation governance breathing down their necks to get rid of the inbreeding, then that's what it takes. This inbreeding to produce white tigers for the moola has GOT to stop.

So where do we start? By identifying the breeders who practice inbreeding for white tigers, and seeing where they're concentrated. Then start leaning on their state and Congressional senators and reps to pass laws to curtail and finally forbid it. Not stop breeding tigers; this is good and needs to continue. I'm talking about the inbreeding, mating grandfather-to-granddaughter, brother-to-sister, mother-to-son. But they'll have to gird up their loins and start doing it like the big-time zoos, who have studbooks and track who conceived or sired who. And if they refuse — sorry Charley, you screwed up. Shut 'em down and seize their animals. The future of the species is more important than any given individual's pockets being lined.

The largest number of exotics breeders (including exotic big cats) are in Texas because that state has the most liberal exotics breeding laws. We got a lot of people there, how about some of you Texas Pack members making a noise in Austin?

vrikasatma · Post by **vrikasatma** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:15 pm

Shadow Wulf wrote:So white tigers arent really a natural species?

Yes and no. I mean, the gene is in all tigers, just like the melanistic gene (panther) is in all leopards. The first known white tiger, Mohan, was wild and therefore, natural. Sitarra gave birth to regular orange-and-black striped cubs.

Things started going downhill when he was brought back alive and mated to his daughters.

So white tigers now aren't natural, they're like pug dogs and halter-type Quarter Horses — no branches in the family tree. Nature's mechanisms tend to select against and squelch inbreeding, i.e. the young females run off with young males that enter the territory, the social unit's highest ranker runs off their of-age males who wander into another territory and run off with the sprouting young girls while Mom and Dad ain't lookin', etc.

It's fine for clams and fleas to inbreed, but once you get up into the chordate phylum, parents screwing their kids causes all kinds of hellery.