Warning....Spoilers!!!!
Howling Fan wrote:2) Yoda gives up because all the Jedi, except Obi-One (not including Luke and Leia) were killed. There was no one left to help him fight the Emperor, and since he proved he couldn't do it himself, it was useless to keep trying.
So it seems totally natural to you that Yoda lives by the idea, "...if at first you don't succeed,
give up because there is no way it will be different if you try again..."? That does not sound like the Yoda I know.
Howling Fan wrote:3) C'mon, you didn't think the huge battle in the first 20 minutes of the movie was exciting? What about the clash on Kashyyk? (I know I spelled it wrong) Plus, the lightsaber battles were filled with much more emotion than previous "SW" films (Anakin vs. Count Dooku, Anakin vs. Mace Windu, Yoda vs. the Emperor, and especially Anakin vs. his master and former friend Obi-One).
No...no they were not.
That opening sequence had alot of cool looking ships in it, and explosions and stuff, but tell me Mr. "I was paying attention...unlike Vuldari"...what were the Serperatists attacking durring that scene? WHY were there all of those ships flying above the planet shooting at each other? If they were holding Palpatine prisoner...why would they hold him in a ship hovering dirrectly over their
supposed enemy's base of operations?
Nothing in this film made logical sense. It was all "bad soap opera" / "lame excuse to have the sides shoot at each other" Logic...
The battles were bigger, and more chaotic...but there was no real sense of emotion in any of it. The film did a horrible job of making the viewer feel what the characters were supposed to be feeling. There was no fear...there was no anxiety...(did you shed a tear when Anakin slayed the "younglings" NO!!! I bet you laughed, just like everyone in the theatre where I was did.) Did you cry for the Loss of Mace Windu? Did you feel like anything significant had really happened when Dooku and Grevious were defeated? ...and what the hell was up with Padme "dying of a broken heart"?! ...that is soo lame...
The lightsaber battles had more emotion?!
Bull Sh**!! Supposedly, everyone was all stressed and full of angst and hatred and fear and regret...but did you really feel any of that? I didn't.
I DID, however, cry for Luke and Leia in "A New Hope" after the climactic final battle between Vader and Obi-Wan. There was "real" sadness and a feeling of loss in that scene. There was nothing even CLOSE to that when Mace died...or the rest of the Jedi for that matter.
Howling Fan wrote:4) They did explain exactly why they had to split the twins up, in both this movie and even in the Original Trilogy: To protect them from their father, now a dark Lord Sith, and the Emperor, because the Emperor knows they are alive (even though Darth Vader doesn't) and also knows they will probably grow strong in the Force, since their father was. He knows they present a threat to his existence since they could use this Force to defeat him, which, of course, they do in "Jedi." Also, would you really want these kids near people like Vader and the Emperor? Again, were you paying any attention?
They said NONE of that in EP:III. The part about them bing split to protect them from their father, you took from the original trilogy. In Ep:III, they just looked at each other in a room and said..."we should split them up".
Did you feel the tension of the doom they feared, should Anakin, as Darth Vader, be given the chance to raise them in the ways of the Dark Side? ...NO?...ahh but you know you were "supposed to", so you claim that it WAS an emotional scene. ...BAH...
I sure didn't get any of that vibe. The characters didn't show any significant emotional motivation for doing so...nor did they even show that they so much as considered how
tragic it was to split of twin siblings before they could even get to know each other. They just handed off the infants to their adoptive families because that is what was supposed to happen. They never elaborated on WHY...you had to figure that out yourself.
All that stuff about the Emperor knowing they are alive and all of that, You just made up. Sure it's logical and all...but having to logically decode why they MIGHT have done it the way they did
After the film is not good dramatic storytelling. We had all deduced that much long before seeing the movie, and looked forward to seeing the "Real" story to find out the TRUE emotional motivations behind their actions, ...only to be left in the dark again, speculating on "probobly", "maybe" and "obviously" scenarios, having been left in the dark once again, trying to
Guess what they were thinking.
Howling Fan wrote:5) C-3PO's mind was erased because he was being given to a new owner, which, I'm assuming, is standard practice when droids trade owners. I know they didn't do this in "A New Hope" when Uncle Owen bought him, but there ya go.
Again...you have to figure it out on your own, because they did not explain it at all in the film. A single line like, "I want that droids memory erased
because, it knows too much about the twins, and the hiding places of Yoda and Obi-wan, and we can't risk Vader getting his hand on him. Since this driod was created by Anakin, he may still hold loyalties to him and might betray us...and we can't risk that." or even "I wan't this driod to be loyal only to me, so I wan't it to have no memory of it's previous master."
...something...anything...but no. We have to just guess.
Howling Fan wrote:6) We've seen Darth Vader wield a lightsaber in three other movies. This movie wasn't about how good Vader is with a lightsaber (which we can plainly see anyway when he's Anakin), but about how Anakin became Darth Vader in the first place, which they showed in spades.
He wasn't the GREAT FEARED "Darth Vader" yet when he was just running about killing people as Anakin with yellow eyes. Darth Vader has an aura of being one of the most powerful beings in the universe withing the Star Wars mythology, however, you never got to see
where the Man in the Black suit got his fearsome reputation in the original trilogy. You never got to see Vader go all out. I looked forward to seeing that in this film...and was dissapointed.
I thought Vader was supposed to be responsible for wiping out the jedi...and yet, he killed NONE. (Excluding Padawans, who were all of 7 years old)
...actually...I thought this film WAS about how much of a BAD A** Darth Vader was. The "birth" of Darth Vader was supposed to spell the end of the Jedi. But it didn't happen that way. Anakin had little to do with the destruction of the jedi order. His decention into the Dark Side just
conveniently happened at the same time. ...so the emperor would have a new apprentice AFTER the
clone troopers wiped out the jedi.
Howling Fan wrote:"Episode III" was the worst film in five years (or whenever "Jurassic Park III" came out)? Really? Worse than "Gigli"? Worse than "Bubble Boy"? Worse than any Rob Schneider movie? I could go on....
The worst film "
I'VE" seen in years... I don't even bother to watch garbage like that. I've seen worse...but I'm trying really hard to forget those movies.
Howling Fan wrote:No, there weren't two versions of this movie. It's just that some audience members pay attention, and some don't. Although, to be fair, you did see it at an ungodly hour. Maybe you should give it another chance when you're awake.
Oh, I was wide awake allright. I got plenty of rest, and was dressed as comfortably as possible, (in ALL BLACK, and wearing my "Darth Vader" t-shirt), because I was Really, really exited and didn't want any distractions at all durring the film. ...No Popcorn or soda for me... only watching the film. I didn't want to miss any of those crucial little statements or subltle occurances that would reveal the mysteries of the Star Wars mythology I have been wondering about for decades.
I was paying attention all right. I know the reasons the film provided for the characters to do what they did...but I didn't find any of it to be believable or logical in a real human sense. ...they wouldn't have acted like that... ...real people don't act like that...
In the original trilogy, the charcters did and said some stupid things...but in
Most cases, (I concede that there were numerous exeptions), they were aquard "human" moments, where the characters showed their character flaws, and thus gained more "personality". ...Like the
Lovers Spats between Han and Leia in the original trilogy... Han said alot of stupid things, and generaly made a fool out of himself, but real people say stupid stuff like that when they are in love. "...I'm Nice Men..." ...real people say stupid stuff when they are nervous too. "...were fine here...we're all fine here...how are you?..."
Did Padme and Anakin have any moments like that? NO! ...it was all "soap opera" drama... ...real people don't talk and act like that, so you didn't recognise their characters as real people in the Star Wars universe, and therefore did not really feel for them.
I DID catch on to the whole "Anakin does not know how to deal with loss...Anakin is possesive of Amidala...Anakin cares more about his wife than the entire Jedi order, and anyone else he has to kill to save her..." motivation behind Anakins turn to the dark side.
...but really... Did it really feel believable to you that someone with those emotional conflicts would one moment say...*paraphrased* "NO! You can't kill him. That is not the Jedi way. He must be put on Trial"...and the next moment get down on his knees and Pledge to do anything Palpatine told him to do, including KILL innocent people...all because Darth Sidious had a master who knew how to cheat death, and EVEN ADMITS in that very scene that he himself does not really know that power, (though he suggested earlier that he did)...and that he needed Anakins
Help to "figure it out".
Anakin did not even get mad when his new "master" told him that he really didn't know how to save Padme after all. He just happily mached off with an army of clone troopers to slaughter all the Padewan Jedi. I don't remember seeing him shed a tear for the little kids...but he DID have tears on his face after slaugtering the Seperatist leaders.
...does that make sense to you?...
...I could go on...but I don't want to.
There is no doubt in my mind that...Had I (a person with no dirrecting experience whatsoever) dirrected Episode III, it still would not have been oscar worthy by a long shot, but it at least would have been much better that it was. ...though I'm still not quite sure what "IT" is...because it sure ain't STAR WARS...not the Star Wars I know...
Of course...all of this is Just "MY Opinion". All of the reveiws in the newspapers and even on the Star Wars Fan-Sites
RAVE about how
great this film is.
...the "whole world" can dissagree with me for all I care...I still HATED this movie...
...feel free to ignore me and talk about how much you LOVED this movie now. I can't stop you. You will believe whatever you want to believe.
...no longer a George Lucas fan...