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Morkulv wrote:

Vuldari wrote:

Morkulv wrote:Full wolves aren't werewolves.

That is a matter of opinion and perspective. If it is a man who can become a full wolf and back to a man again, what is it, if it is not a werewolf?

...of course it is a werewolf...just a different kind.

The "gestalt" form we are all so fond of is really just an "Anthropomorphic" wolf shape.

But 'were' means 'man'. So it has to contain some kind of human element, right?

...uh...yeah...

The wolf is actually a man. It is a creature that is sometimes Man...sometimes WOLF.

...Man...Wolf...Man...Wolf... "Werewolf"

Werewolf.
Werewolf?
No. There wolf: There, castle.

The anthro vision of the werewolf is relatively new, and was designed to be a thriller of sorts. Example:In early movies and books, what is more likely to inspire fear,

A humanoid werewolf monster, or a full wolf?

What makes the werewolf today so fearful to most people is the fact that they contain a human element mixed with the animal. Before the 1900's, werewolves were men that could p-shift into a pure wolf body, and still retain some or all of their human MIND. In documented cases in medevil Europe of werewolf cases, there is nothing saying that the werewolves were Anthros. The were all full wolf in their shift. What im saying is that the humanish figure is nothing more than a thriller, and is usually NOT the finished shift, but a shift that is half finished.

Let's remember that Europe isn't the only source of werewolf legends.

Odd, I'm supposed to be writing an essay that's due tomorrow right now instead of being on the computer, and your sig pretty much sums up the whole thing.

Apokryltaros wrote:Werewolf.
Werewolf?
No. There wolf: There, castle.

Actually, the quote is...

(distant howl)
Inga: Werewolf
Dr. Frankenstein: Werewolf?
Igor: There.
Dr. Frankenstein: What?
Igor: There wolf. There castle.

Hehe. That was a good movie.
@Shaun: You referring to mine?

Morkulv wrote:But 'were' means 'man'. So it has to contain some kind of human element, right?

The prefix "were" has nothing to do with the picture of the form a man p-shifts to. The origin meaning of werewolf is a man with the ability to do a p-shift to a wolf.

Remember, in the old european sagas and mythologies is spoken about men who were transformed into full wolves.

For example the greece mythology reports that the king of Arcadia was transformed to a wolf by Zeus after enraging him with is cruelty.
Enothger example for that are the reports of Herodot about the abilities of the Skyts to transform themselfs into wolves.

The celtic myths tells us about abilities to transform to wolves and bears. You'll never find a word wich describe something like that we call Gestalt form.

So the Gastalt form is only a product of modern horror story teller and film makers.

Curan wrote:

Morkulv wrote:But 'were' means 'man'. So it has to contain some kind of human element, right?

The prefix "were" has nothing to do with the picture of the form a man p-shifts to. The origin meaning of werewolf is a man with the ability to do a p-shift to a wolf.

Remember, in the old european sagas and mythologies is spoken about men who were transformed into full wolves.

For example the greece mythology reports that the king of Arcadia was transformed to a wolf by Zeus after enraging him with is cruelty.
Enothger example for that are the reports of Herodot about the abilities of the Skyts to transform themselfs into wolves.

The celtic myths tells us about abilities to transform to wolves and bears. You'll never find a word wich describe something like that we call Gestalt form.

So the Gastalt form is only a product of modern horror story teller and film makers.

Exactly.

Actually, you could say that what they thought were bears were actually the gestalt version, because bears can also walk on thier hind legs

Thank you, Curan. That is the point i was trying to make

Vuldari wrote:

Curan wrote:

Morkulv wrote:But 'were' means 'man'. So it has to contain some kind of human element, right?

The prefix "were" has nothing to do with the picture of the form a man p-shifts to. The origin meaning of werewolf is a man with the ability to do a p-shift to a wolf.

Remember, in the old european sagas and mythologies is spoken about men who were transformed into full wolves.

For example the greece mythology reports that the king of Arcadia was transformed to a wolf by Zeus after enraging him with is cruelty.
Enothger example for that are the reports of Herodot about the abilities of the Skyts to transform themselfs into wolves.

The celtic myths tells us about abilities to transform to wolves and bears. You'll never find a word wich describe something like that we call Gestalt form.

So the Gastalt form is only a product of modern horror story teller and film makers.

Exactly.

That is a negative sir, I wacthed alot of documentary on TV where they talk about the werewolfs in history and half of what they mention is a creature with a wolf head and a mans body so the Gastalt form has been around for just as long as the full wolf form, if you look closely thiers lots of pics of gastalt from back in the greeks times. Just look at fang vs fiction.

Shadow has a point; even king Lycaon and his male descendants were called by many to be 'more wolf than man', but not entirely wolf.

Ralith Lupus wrote:Let's remember that Europe isn't the only source of werewolf legends.

That reminds me. Isnt it strange that more than half of the countries in the world has a werewolf legend or some kind of were animal somewhere in thier history.

Well, not really. Almost every country has shapeshifter legends relating to the local apex predator(s); it's just that wolves were ( ) spread out over most of the world and usually dominant.

Shadow Wulf wrote:That reminds me. Isnt it strange that more than half of the countries in the world has a werewolf legend or some kind of were animal somewhere in thier history.

Well they tend to be as, Ralith Lupus said, the apex predator. If it wasn't wolves, it was cats, or foxes, or even sharks.

Lupin wrote:

Shadow Wulf wrote:That reminds me. Isnt it strange that more than half of the countries in the world has a werewolf legend or some kind of were animal somewhere in thier history.

Well they tend to be as, Ralith Lupus said, the apex predator. If it wasn't wolves, it was cats, or foxes, or even sharks.

Yes I know, China has a werefox. Look at my post I said some other werecreature, everyone has one, but it seems like werewolfs are the most common ones.

I could've sworn that wasn't there before...

As I said before, werewolves would be the most common because the wolf is the most common apex predator

Shadow Wulf wrote:Yes I know, China has a werefox. Look at my post I said some other werecreature, everyone has one, but it seems like werewolfs are the most common ones.

That's because the wolf was the second most widespread land animal on the planet. (I'm sure you can all guess who the first is.)

Lupin wrote:

Shadow Wulf wrote:Yes I know, China has a werefox. Look at my post I said some other werecreature, everyone has one, but it seems like werewolfs are the most common ones.

That's because the wolf was the second most widespread land animal on the planet. (I'm sure you can all guess who the first is.)

Is it man? Am I right? Do I get a cookie?

Figarou wrote:

Lupin wrote: That's because the wolf was the second most widespread land animal on the planet. (I'm sure you can all guess who the first is.)

Is it man? Am I right? Do I get a cookie?

Yes, yes, and no.

(I don't have any cookies.)



Edit: Tags, bleh! thpt

oh darn I was going to guess the kangaroo

I've never heard stories about full-wolf werewolves, really. I've only seen them in movies and on TV and such. It just annoyed me.

Edit: don't get me wrong here, wolves are really a thing of beauty, but not as WEREwolves.

My personal opinion on how a werewolf should be is best represented in the art of Christy Grandjean. You can find said artwork here: http://www.goldenwolfen.com

Of course, a lot of the pictures are pure fiction, bluejay wings and such, but her main ideal of werewolves are superb in my point of view. O.o

Mystic Fang wrote:My personal opinion on how a werewolf should be is best represented in the art of Christy Grandjean. You can find said artwork here: http://www.goldenwolfen.com

Of course, a lot of the pictures are pure fiction, bluejay wings and such, but her main ideal of werewolves are superb in my point of view. O.o

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We all know.