Re: Would you Willingly turn someone?
Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:47 pm
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Episode 2 of freeborn is based all around this topic.
Episode 2 of freeborn is based all around this topic.
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no spoilers pleaseABrownrigg wrote:I love this thread.
Episode 2 of freeborn is based all around this topic.
Okay, I'm with you there, but turning someone against their will (or simply without their consent -- if, say unconscious due to injury or whatever reason) is really creepy. I'm sorry, but that's just a purely jerk-move.Terastas wrote: Assuming lycanthropy does entail increased regenerative possibilities (which it would have to in order for werewolves to survive the shifting process), it could be sought after purely for medicinal value, and no matter how great the drawbacks were, a lot of people would consider it a worthwhile sacrifice in exchange for the regeneration...
(Blah blah blah)
But the thing is that, no matter how many drawbacks there were to being a werewolf, or how well they were understood, there would still be people out there who would consider it a worthwhile tradeoff for the regeneration.
And if I'm being honest, I'm one of them.
its a gift or curse but for turning someone i woud only do it if i know the man im turning very well and he know positive and negaitive sides of it and i forget he needs to agree on itThylo wrote:Oh I would definitely willingly turn someone. If you were a Werewolf, why not share your gift with others?
From a pragmatic standpoint, however, even this brings up some sticky issues. First off, encouraging and empowering someone to go on a murderous spree (regardless of provocation) is really pretty creepy in and of itself. More to the point, if (hypothetically), you're a werewolf and value the human race not knowing that your kind exist, is it really wise to intentionally create a situation in which anybody who escapes the dude's rampage is going to rant to anyone who will listen that werewolves exist... and anyone who does not escape will wind up as a dismembered, clawed-up mess on the floor? Even if you don't really mind, what about the other innocent werewolves whose lives you are now endangering by risking the secret of werewolves? Do they get a say?Kaged Tiger wrote:I would turn someone under very specific circumstances. If a friend of mine were to be in need of power ( let's say that a powerful gangster killed his sister or something)...
But, if he was really into the self-control thing, why would he need to become a werewolf and go on a wild, bloody, killing-spree in the first place?Kaged Tiger wrote: If he expressed serious interest, then I would explain the specifics and then tell him to think carefully, as if he couldn't control himself, then I would kill him.
Except, you just made him into a werewolf who can shapeshift in front of a TV camera if he so chose -- just to f*** you over.Kaged Tiger wrote: ... If he denied, then I would basically say if you talk about me, you die. No one would believe you anyway. Werewolves? Ridiculous!
Uniform Two Six wrote:From a pragmatic standpoint, however, even this brings up some sticky issues. First off, encouraging and empowering someone to go on a murderous spree (regardless of provocation) is really pretty creepy in and of itself. More to the point, if (hypothetically), you're a werewolf and value the human race not knowing that your kind exist, is it really wise to intentionally create a situation in which anybody who escapes the dude's rampage is going to rant to anyone who will listen that werewolves exist... and anyone who does not escape will wind up as a dismembered, clawed-up mess on the floor? Even if you don't really mind, what about the other innocent werewolves whose lives you are now endangering by risking the secret of werewolves? Do they get a say?Kaged Tiger wrote:I would turn someone under very specific circumstances. If a friend of mine were to be in need of power ( let's say that a powerful gangster killed his sister or something)...
But, if he was really into the self-control thing, why would he need to become a werewolf and go on a wild, bloody, killing-spree in the first place?Kaged Tiger wrote: If he expressed serious interest, then I would explain the specifics and then tell him to think carefully, as if he couldn't control himself, then I would kill him.
Except, you just made him into a werewolf who can shapeshift in front of a TV camera if he so chose -- just to f*** you over.Kaged Tiger wrote: ... If he denied, then I would basically say if you talk about me, you die. No one would believe you anyway. Werewolves? Ridiculous!
This is one of those instances where your ideas don't really translate well into words. There's also the problem of how everyone's definition of werewolf is different. My ideal werewolf has a healing factor in all forms. Thus, you wouldn't have to do the job looking like a beast. The main idea was that my friend could survive being shot, which is obviously important, and he/she would have enhanced senses, physical abilities, et cetera, making it much easier to quietly sneak in and kill one well-protected individual, not go on a killing spree.Uniform Two Six wrote:From a pragmatic standpoint, however, even this brings up some sticky issues. First off, encouraging and empowering someone to go on a murderous spree (regardless of provocation) is really pretty creepy in and of itself. More to the point, if (hypothetically), you're a werewolf and value the human race not knowing that your kind exist, is it really wise to intentionally create a situation in which anybody who escapes the dude's rampage is going to rant to anyone who will listen that werewolves exist... and anyone who does not escape will wind up as a dismembered, clawed-up mess on the floor? Even if you don't really mind, what about the other innocent werewolves whose lives you are now endangering by risking the secret of werewolves? Do they get a say?Kaged Tiger wrote:I would turn someone under very specific circumstances. If a friend of mine were to be in need of power ( let's say that a powerful gangster killed his sister or something)...
But, if he was really into the self-control thing, why would he need to become a werewolf and go on a wild, bloody, killing-spree in the first place?Kaged Tiger wrote: If he expressed serious interest, then I would explain the specifics and then tell him to think carefully, as if he couldn't control himself, then I would kill him.
Except, you just made him into a werewolf who can shapeshift in front of a TV camera if he so chose -- just to f*** you over.Kaged Tiger wrote: ... If he denied, then I would basically say if you talk about me, you die. No one would believe you anyway. Werewolves? Ridiculous!
he would go in combat as human but wouldnt adrenaline rush make him wolf out at least in my view it would?Kaged Tiger wrote: This is one of those instances where your ideas don't really translate well into words. There's also the problem of how everyone's definition of werewolf is different. My ideal werewolf has a healing factor in all forms. Thus, you wouldn't have to do the job looking like a beast. The main idea was that my friend could survive being shot, which is obviously important, and he/she would have enhanced senses, physical abilities, et cetera, making it much easier to quietly sneak in and kill one well-protected individual, not go on a killing spree.
I'm also assuming that there are very few other werewolves, if any, besides me, as I tend to go for the curse rather than the virus, so that there doesn't have to be a living werewolf at all times. In other words, werewolves can completely die off for decades and then be brought back when another person is cursed. Also, you seem to have missed the if they denied of the last part. I wouldn't have made them a werewolf because they denied.
I'd probably shove a stake through his heart if I hadn't already shoved it up his a**. Though to be fair, my reaction to being given lycanthropy against my will probably wouldn't be much different.Uniform Two Six wrote:so how would you feel if somebody decided that you needed to be a vampire and executed that decision for you without asking you in advance? "Oh, you liked going out during the day? Oh -- well -- sucks to be you, then."
Eh, he'd go about half wolf, which is half as noticeable and half as memorable. Besides, people aren't going to believe on the testimony of a few shady criminal-types. Provided that he could still control himself somewhat, it wouldn't be as much of a mess as you might think. Of course, I will admit that there are a lot of factors that can't be perfectly predicted, but I'd still want to help my friend rather than not.lovec1990 wrote:he would go in combat as human but wouldnt adrenaline rush make him wolf out at least in my view it would?
Says who? What's your standard for that statement? A feeling? A religious belief? If people want to act like everyones' beliefs are just as legitimate, then who's to say what "isn't right"? Moral philosophy aside, you'll notice in my original post that I did say that he had the option of turning them in to the police like Batman or something. In fact, I find that preferable.lovec1990 wrote:i would help my friend too but not like you would because it isnt right
That's why I'd urge them to seriously consider. Seriously. I'd let them consider for at least a month.lovec1990 wrote:avenging familiy mamber wont bring them back and satisfaction wont last long but powers with downsides would last your entire life now.
It's not mine to do. I have no responsibility or satisfaction(well, maybe a little satisfaction) in it.lovec1990 wrote:you know you could do it yourself
i agree but not all can be turned in my point of view you will need to remind them of this.Terastas wrote: For that reason, regardless of the circumstances, willful infection should never occur without consent. It doesn't matter how much it would benefit them or how much they could be trusted with it. If they don't want it: End of discussion.
Never said otherwise. In fact, that was one of my earlier points. And I resent the implication that I ever argued to the contrary.lovec1990 wrote:i agree but not all can be turned in my point of view you will need to remind them of this.
Terastas wrote:Never said otherwise. In fact, that was one of my earlier points. And I resent the implication that I ever argued to the contrary.lovec1990 wrote:i agree but not all can be turned in my point of view you will need to remind them of this.