Excelsia wrote:Vuldari:
Everything you just suggested can be accomplished by werewolves who grow in height and in musculature. It's not so much how they look that will make a werewolf movie unique, but rather their behavior.
I agree...but a drama in which the werwolves all look like Action-Flick "Badasses", but don't act like it, would not work out very well.
Furthermore, besides size, I don't want them to be anything like werewolves from previous movies. Pretty much every movie werewolf I have ever seen (with some exceptions) has had ugly werewolves, I have faith that Freeborn's werewolves will be, to a certain extent, beautiful.
I agree totally. No "UGLY" werewolves.
I am fully aware of the fact that this will be a dramatic, character driven film. But AB has said there will be a little of everything. No, it won't be the crazy, snarling, killing-left-and-right that other werewolf movies have been. But there will be moments in this film in which killing and attacking are involved.
I allready said that, though I want to see "less" of that, I still want to see SOME action. It would be a nearly unforgivable let-down otherwise.
I think AB and TA can make large werewolves very easily on a small budget, if done correctly. To me, bringing up the budget almost sounds like you're grasping at straws for ways to support your opinion, though I could be wrong. Forgive me if I am. Making a larger werewolf would most likely not be that much more expensive than making a smaller werewolf, if at all. IMO, even it is, it'd be worth it.
I was not saying that the bigger werwolf would be more expensive in and of itself, per-se, but rather, I was saying that a bigger, more "Badass" looking werewolf is
far better suited for an ACTION flick, (which IS usually very expensive to make), but not very appropriate for the kind of drama I think Anthony and Cashell are trying to make.
...what I meant was...I don't want the Freeborn team to waste thier money trying to make too many
pale imitations of High-budget action scenes with their limited funds, but rather focus most of their talent and resources on what will set this film apart from the others.
As far as your comment about how would I know what most audiences would want, I don't know for sure. One can never know for sure. However, I think it's reasonable to conclude that most people go to a werewolf expecting the creatures to get larger and stronger looking, not smaller and weaker looking. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I'm sorry if any of this offends you, but you must realize that I feel just as strongly about my opinions on werewolf appearance as you do about yours.
I never suggested that Werewolves should look "weaker" than humans. That would be absurd.
I believe that a human sized Bi-Pedal wolf, with digitgrade feet, sharp teeth, and claws would look
very strong and impressive, without needing to be 7-feet tall.
(...which is still more HUGE than I think you realise. Every time someone mentions WW's taller than 6.5 feet, I think "HOLY C*$%!!")
I am willing to compromise, however. Having read some of the posts in this thread, I am willing to accept that perhaps werewolves wouldn't be invincible. The average human would stand little to no chance whatsoever against the average werewolf (male or female) but perhaps a really good human fighter could beat them. I'd rather that not be the case, but I am willing to accept it.
Jeez...is it really
that hard to comprehend a werwolf that is NOT the most powerful creature on earth?
However, in terms of their physical appearance, I must say there is little that can make me change my opinions. IMO, all werewolves should grow taller and should get more muscular, but it should be based on their human form. Obviously, they wouldn't all be seven feet tall. Seven feet could be the average werewolf height, for someone like me for example (I'm 5'7). However, someone shorter like Reilune may only get to be about 6'5 or so. Or perhaps they could be even shorter. But I definitely think they should at least grow about 10 or 11 inches or so. Even if they don't grow that much, there should still be some sort of height increase, IMO. They definitely shouldn't get shorter. I'd like to state that these are all merely my opinions and are based on aesthetic preference.
As this is all opinion, I can not say if it is right or wrong, but I think of the transformation into a werewolf as becoming "different", more than "stronger".
IMHO
And as far as musculature, I still definitely think they should get more muscular. Personally, I'd prefer them to be huge and bulgy, but I'm willing to accept less. Let's take for example, an average guy. If he turns gestalt, I think he should grow in musculature to maybe halfway between his level of musculature and that of an amature bodybuilder. Skinny little weaklings could grow to maybe a little more than average. Big huge bodybuilder guys would be...as Reilune puts it, Govinator Wolf. Once again, these are just preferences of mine.
I agree that Werwolves, on average, should look more muscularly defined than flabby or stickly.
However, I care very much about the Aesthetic appearance of the werewolves as well. That's why I
don't want them to be "BIG and BULGY". I beilieve that Body builders (Like the younger Arnold, when he was "Mister Universe"), are
BUTT UGLY. Huge muscles (whether naked or covered in fur) look absolutely DISGUSTING on
any form.
I don't think these increases are ridiculous. A skinny guy becoming 20 feet tall and having the physique of a bodybuilder would be ridiculous. But a skinny guy growing to about 6'5 or 7'0 and gaining the physique of a slightly above average guy, I don't think that is ridiculous at all.
...again...I think that someone growing a whole FOOT in height
IS absolutely rediculous, but I digress...
Another point I'd like to make in favor of muscle growth. Most women are fairly lacking, in terms of musculature. If there were no increase in muscles (some of you actually seem to favor a decrease), and a decrease in height, most women would look pretty weak. I am not in favor of weak-looking werewolves. (Some of you will choose to point out at this time that if she were angry and snarling, she would be frightening. I disagree. To me, it would be aking to a chihuahua snarling at a boxer dog.)
...and again...I am reminded of My old boss...a 5' 4" Farmgirl, Truckdriver whom I held, (and still hold) utmost respect for, not just as a leader, but as a physical force to be reconed with. She was not a beefy, muscular gal, but she was not weak...not did she look it. She could lift (seemingly with ease) more than the Six foot assistant managers on our staff could. The troublemakers who worked in our store (though not for very long) were genuinely afraid of her when she was angry. ...for good reason.
So, I disagree with your perspective on this matter.
Anyway, to make it short and sweet, I think there should be at least some increase in height and muscles. Not a ridiculous increase, but definitely one indeed. I am willing to forget about invincibility if other people will be ok with gestalt forms getting larger and more muscly (though not extremely so, as I've already pointed out).
...muscularly defined, but not huge...
...strong and formidable, but not unreasonably unstoppable...
Now you're talking my language.