Re: Real Werewolves, are they out there.
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:36 pm
Anti-werewolf. A werewolf made of antimatter. What the hell. That is so absurdly awesome.Imagine getting bit by an antiwerewolf
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Anti-werewolf. A werewolf made of antimatter. What the hell. That is so absurdly awesome.Imagine getting bit by an antiwerewolf
DarkOriaes wrote:haha very true. Sometimes people are thinking that the true link of the whole werewolf term is coming from a human heritage. I can't place my finger on what it was called exactly, but its about how the child is covered completely in hair.
WolfVanZandt wrote:When people say, "Werewolf" today, they're thinking about someone that physically changes into a Wolf but in the early Middle Ages the term was applied to real people who _were thought_ to change into wolves. Whether they did or not, the term was applied to a group of real people (and still is in Eastern Europe), so except for the incovenience of people misunderstanding because they can't get around the image promoted by fictional account, the term "Werewolf" isn't inappropriate.
I don't really mind the trend toward rejecting the term in favor of the less "loaded" "Therian", unfortuantely, "Therian" is only once removed from the same problem and will soon be just as loaded and by discarding "Werewolf", there is a risk of discarding the real history behind the term, which I think would be a real loss.
Ahem,Silvermane wrote: In the past I've been approached by people, mostly on line, who claim to be real werewolves. When I flat out asked for proof, photos of shape shifting, film, etc. the gambit of excuses as to why they couldn't was extraordinary ranging from they didn't want to tell anyone (which is odd because you just did) to the outright insane idea of werewolf hunters that might come after them (these hunters employment would be insured by one thing, a lot of werewolves out there.)
Nice and entertaining to see people have had similar experiences to my own. I was at a con that I help with Halloween in theme, were I did a werewolf panel focusing specifically on modern books, movies, and tv. I got a stand ovation when I told everyone if you claim to be a real werewolf I'd demand you shape shift to show the rest of us. Then again I got cheers when I denounced Twilight too.Uniform Two Six wrote:Ahem,Silvermane wrote: In the past I've been approached by people, mostly on line, who claim to be real werewolves. When I flat out asked for proof, photos of shape shifting, film, etc. the gambit of excuses as to why they couldn't was extraordinary ranging from they didn't want to tell anyone (which is odd because you just did) to the outright insane idea of werewolf hunters that might come after them (these hunters employment would be insured by one thing, a lot of werewolves out there.)
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The transformation sequence in that film was way too quick and I always wondered when they shifted back, where'd they get their clothes?Uniform Two Six wrote:viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7821Silvermane wrote: I got cheers when I denounced Twilight too.
I couldn't agree more. The term werewolf has a lot of negative connotation attached to it, along with modern media hype based on what the modern movies have developed as the newer werewolf myth. With today's popular. It's the same with the term Lycanthropy, which is an honest to goodness medical term/jargon for someone who is deluded. It is a mental illness, often associated with an inability to control oneself when in such a state. Therianthropy was coined in part so as to bring the idea of an animal identity/spirituality away from the 1) lack of control, 2) Psychosis, 3) negative connotations of feral beast like behavior, etc.werewolf-woman wrote:WolfVanZandt wrote:When people say, "Werewolf" today, they're thinking about someone that physically changes into a Wolf but in the early Middle Ages the term was applied to real people who _were thought_ to change into wolves. Whether they did or not, the term was applied to a group of real people (and still is in Eastern Europe), so except for the incovenience of people misunderstanding because they can't get around the image promoted by fictional account, the term "Werewolf" isn't inappropriate.
I don't really mind the trend toward rejecting the term in favor of the less "loaded" "Therian", unfortuantely, "Therian" is only once removed from the same problem and will soon be just as loaded and by discarding "Werewolf", there is a risk of discarding the real history behind the term, which I think would be a real loss.
while going through older posts i read this one and thought the point of view was interesting but i think the term werewolf is appropriate when discussing popular cultures view of werewolves. Werewolves of folklore myth and contemporary popular culture seem to follow a definition that includes a physical transformation. i think the term therian is more appropriate for people who feel they have a wolf spirit, or soul.
i don't really get the concept of chaning the definiton of a werewolf so you can call yourself one. i think the term werewolf should be applied to physical transformations be it into a wolf like creature or a real wolf. i think the term werewolf should not be diluted by people who desperately want to be one so they negate the meaning so they can fit into their definition of werewolf.
These are the folks that, I myself, just shake my head at and walk away from in general. The term has been around longer then most of them have been born. I think a part of this need is that the vampire mythos has changed so drastically from the demon/bad spirit of the night into a morose, emo, tragic figure that draws human compassion. As modern society grows, the idea that is vampire changes... so too does the term werewolf evolve. Even in today's modern society what is a werewolf today is not what a werewolf was to the middle Europeans during the Dark Ages.werewolf-woman wrote: there are people who hate the above mentioned werewolf films and characteristics and seek to redefine what a werewolf should be.
Modern myth maybe, but the werewolf myth is different depending on the author, poet, historian, or movie maker you speak with in general. I have a ton of werewolf books and movies. Some of them share the same transformation ideal, some it is a temporary curse, others take that it is a permanent change on a cell-deep level. Wolfen isn't so much of a werewolf novel as a "human hunting wolf creature" novel. Heck in some myths a vampire's soul if not laid to rest could infest the local wolf population and cause a wolf's bite to turn a human into a werewolf. (See - explain rabies in the Dark Ages sort of idea).werewolf-woman wrote:i wasn't aware there different views on werewolves some of which deplore the beastial werewolf, which is strange to me because i really thought that was the only type of werewolves that existed in mythology and popular fiction.
That's just it. I think the "lack of change" may or may not come from a therian ideal of a non-shifting mentality. It's too much to go into here and now, but the base ideal is that one just /is/ a wolf on the inside. There is no eclipse of personality, there is no change of behavior. I think here is a leak from the therians pushing into modern myth. At least taht is what it seems like to me.werewolf-woman wrote:if there is no transformation how is the person a werewolf by the classic definition?
Are there?werewolf-woman wrote:there are groups of people who absolutely hate werewolf transformations?
I'd love to get into a debate with these sorts of folks. *evil grin*werewolf-woman wrote:they say it is a misrepresentation of werewolves,
Yeah, again I think this is the ideal of Therianthropy leaking into the werewolf myth ideal.werewolf-woman wrote: they disavow hundreds of years of mythology and folklore and have turned werewolves int to regular people who have the soul or a werewolf. some claim that transformations are impossible. others say transformation is possible but they don't turn into raging beasts but retain their human logic and reasoning. it seems werewolves have established mythologies and that is the standard with which a creature falls in to the category, but some people completely ignore folklore and claim that their definitions are valid.
Posers, fakes, trolls.. there are other names for such folks who try to /force/ the "human into wolf's clothing". I'm a bit bitter and jades of such folks.. can ya tell? ;)werewolf-woman wrote: people seem to want to change the definition of a werewolf so they can try and fall in to the definition.
Like the ability for a werewolf to control the change and not be controlled by the moon? Dude talk about scary. Your next door neighbor could be a werewolf and you'd NEVER know!werewolf-woman wrote:i think that some changes to a monster can be positive,take in films for example, like the change in zombie depictions in the new dawn of the dead film, making zombies run is super scary.
so i think that changing up some of the mythology can be positive.
YEP! Prove it or shut it, imo.Silvermane wrote:Hmm...Part of me would like to say yes but I know that would be a fallacy of epic proportions. I always subscript to the Carl Sagan school of thought, that extraordinary claims need to be proved by equally extraordinary proof and that all good scientist believe in show me. In the past I've been approached by people, mostly on line, who claim to be real werewolves. When I flat out asked for proof, photos of shape shifting, film, etc. the gambit of excuses as to why they couldn't was extraordinary ranging from they didn't want to tell anyone (which is odd because you just did) to the outright insane idea of werewolf hunters that might come after them (these hunters employment would be insured by one thing, a lot of werewolves out there.)
Some species can change sex as the need arises and that does not take days or weeks. But never have I heard of a full out change into a different species /except/ in myth and legend.Silvermane wrote:Can someone actually shape shift from a human being to a wolf, or a anthromorphic looking man beast, or something akin to werewolf legends. I'd have to say no. Just too many biological issues not to mention where else in nature do we see a creature go from being one stage to another instantly. We don't, closest we get is the catapillar or other insects who lay up in a cocoon state for days, weeks, and they they emerge.
pm me sometime if you are really interested. I've been following this phenomenon for YEARS. >.<Silvermane wrote:Spiritually and mentally, of course. It's why we have a mental disorder called lycanthropy to begin with, so actually mentally and spiritually believing you are a wolf or have a wolf spirit in you, sure I can say that can happen.
Therians...I've been to a few conventions where therians held panels, and it was...strange. I am all for wolf spirituality, part of my heritage is Native American and as such I can appreciate animal spirituality. That I have no issues with, but the therians claim you are born a therian, with the animal some how within you, there's no if's and's or butt's. You either are a therian or you are not, which screams elitism or selective association to me. I am not sure exactly where they stand and I think I'd rather stay confused on the issue as I simply don't get it.
Yeah, not the movie-myth, historic-myth monsters, those types of werewolves don't exist imo either. I need to see it to believe it, ya know?Silvermane wrote:So over all and probably stated a lot in this thread, I personally don't believe werewolves exist as most people think of, but is it possible? In the width and breath of the wide and expanding universe I will not rule it entirely out, but I'd need to see it to believe it.
You had to watch sparkly vampires, and your nitpick on Twilight was the werewolves having extra sets of clothes?Silvermane wrote:The transformation sequence in that film was way too quick and I always wondered when they shifted back, where'd they get their clothes?
Sorry the rediculousness of the sparkly vampires goes without saying. My mind tends to automatically block them out. Vampires meet the sun, they turn to dust not into a disco ball.Uniform Two Six wrote:You had to watch sparkly vampires, and your nitpick on Twilight was the werewolves having extra sets of clothes?Silvermane wrote:The transformation sequence in that film was way too quick and I always wondered when they shifted back, where'd they get their clothes?
Silvermane wrote:Sorry the rediculousness of the sparkly vampires goes without saying. My mind tends to automatically block them out. Vampires meet the sun, they turn to dust not into a disco ball.Uniform Two Six wrote:You had to watch sparkly vampires, and your nitpick on Twilight was the werewolves having extra sets of clothes?Silvermane wrote:The transformation sequence in that film was way too quick and I always wondered when they shifted back, where'd they get their clothes?
Yeah, not the movie-myth, historic-myth monsters, those types of werewolves don't exist imo either. I need to see it to believe it, ya know?[/quote]Silvermane wrote:So over all and probably stated a lot in this thread, I personally don't believe werewolves exist as most people think of, but is it possible? In the width and breath of the wide and expanding universe I will not rule it entirely out, but I'd need to see it to believe it.
*bows*werewolf-woman wrote:@ Trinity,
you are awesome. it is so nice to discuss this topic with someone who is like minded. I totally understand being jaded by the therians and wannabes. Being a werewolf fan is tough theses days, reading your post were really refreshing
Loupin wrote:DarkOriaes wrote:haha very true. Sometimes people are thinking that the true link of the whole werewolf term is coming from a human heritage. I can't place my finger on what it was called exactly, but its about how the child is covered completely in hair.
hypertrichosis
And I do believe we exist....
And it's kind of like the whole "God / Devil" theory....if you believe in one...you have to believe in the other...so if we're real...what else is? And I can already read the posts of ppl askin me if I change during full moons....I kno I'm not the only one...lol Now wait don't think I split my skin and grow a tail...no nothing like that...but there are small changes...and it's painful....
And what's funny...for years I've been reading up and researching Lycanthropy...and according to everything that I've read....I have it...I have 99% of the symptoms...I should make a thread of that list and see who else ranks with me
i totally agree!Zurrealizm wrote:Yes and No for me.
From a human point of view, without concrete evidence and exposure, I would firmly state that werewolves doesn't or cannot exist.
But from my point of view, why not? Just because I may not believe that werewolves exist doesn't mean I am correct. I am open and fascinated to the idea that werewolves and any other mythological creatures could exist, and it's always a good idea to keep an open mind no matter what you believe that may or may not be true.