The look and religion of werewolves

White_Wing · Post by **White_Wing** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:00 am

A werewolf actually looks very similar to the representations of both White Wolf productions and the drawings of Goldenwolfen, White Wolf productions also has the werewolf (Garou) religion hands down. http://www.worldofdarkness.com/
http://www.goldenwolfen.com/

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:09 pm

Yes, White Wolf does have alot of information about "their" werewolves. But its not a good idea to use them. They tried to sue the makers of Underworld since its very close to White Wolf's "World of Darkness."

Also.....

outwarddoodles · Post by **outwarddoodles** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:21 pm

Actually no. I werewolf can look like anything and beleive anything, theres no right way to repersent a werewolf.

If I want to my werewolves can be one inch tall and beleive green little imps created the universe with their snot than I can. Goldie nor WhiteWolf has them looking correctly or beleiving in any religon correctly.

Because there are no 'right' werewolves, there are no werewolves at all. (ofcource that doesn't mean theres any wrong etheir.)

Otherwise; Welcome!

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:15 pm

GoldenWolf and WhiteWolf both have very cool, interesting werewolves. I am a fan of Goldies werewolves, but not the WhiteWolf ones so much.

If you are a fan of both, that's great...awsome...but I am inclined to agree with the others here.

Neither is what you could call the "RIGHT" version of werewolves. They are merely two Good, Popular interpretations of the mythology, but Not the end-all be-all "Best" versions.

All types of werewolves are welcome here, from the copyrighted ones to the truely bizarre.
(Just be wary of following "copyrighted" ideas too closely or faithfully. Not only could that get one into potential Legal trouble, but it also restricts ones ability to think and imagine more Creatively.)

We not only support, but ENCOURAGE the breaking of established associations and ideas around here.

Werewolves DONT need to be the natural enemies of Vampires.
(they can be copletely impartial to each other, or even allies if you so desire.)

A werewolf does not NEED to change every Full Moon if you don't want them to.
(or WILL if you Do)

Werewolves don't Have To grow bigger when they shift, nor need they be restricted to realistic sizes if you desire that they do.
(you want wolf-zilla?...you got it!)

Werewolves can be of all one organized religion, or of all standard religions, or of no religious allignment at all.
(have you hugged a jewish werewolf today?)

So...do I agree that WhiteWolf and Goldenwofen got werewolves "right", "hands down"? ...No...

...but they didn't get them wrong either.

It's ALL good.

...oh...and WELCOME to "The Pack" White Wing

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:34 pm

Vuldari wrote: Werewolves DONT need to be the natural enemies of Vampires.
(they can be copletely impartial to each other, or even allies if you so desire.)

Well, White Wolf did at ;east give a feasible reason. Vampires are 'of the Wyrm', which seems about right, considering they sustian themselves off other beings, and are unnatural.

And the Red Talons tribe of WhiteWolf's Garou has the best reasaon, they simply hate humans. And a Vampire is little more than a superpowered and some are rather egotisitcal.

Thus, put a Red Talon in a room with a Vampire and well..

Lets just say you better have some serious cleaning equipment...

Goldenwolf · Post by **Goldenwolf** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:19 pm

Yeah, um, I have created a race of werewolves the way -I- think werewolves should be. For me. Glad that you're a fan, but since werewolves are fictional creatures (and yes, werewolves as I think of them are) werewolves can be anything you can make up about them. Whatever works for you. If you like werewolves that look like the ones I draw and have a religion like the Garou? Good for you! But don't think that ALL werewolves will be that way. To each his own and all that

Veruth · Post by **Veruth** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:32 pm

hmm. I'm not familiar wirh White Wolf Productions, but Goldenwolf's weres are pretty much exactally how I think they should be too.

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:37 pm

i think that werewolves should look like goldie's but there is no wright and wrong anser, they don't exist

but all we can do is give an educated guess. all for we know the hairy cave man with fangs werewolf might be the right one, but we'll never know, its a smelting pot of ideas. that what makes it so fun talking about a creature that dosen't exist would do, act, eat and look like.

mabey they do exist and laughing thier tail off right now at our redickulous ideas about them

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:39 pm

This is why part of me thinks that werewolfs shouldnt exist and yet the other part wich is it does, if it does exist and it turns out the way one person likes then others will be greatly disapointed that it wasnt the way they visioned it.

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:24 pm

I agree with the consensus look that many of us see on the appearance of werewolves, that Goldenwolf has portrayed so eloquently.

But, I voted no, because I don't really picture for myself werewolves having as well-organized a society as they do in White Wolf's Werewolf: the Apocalypse. Not that I dislike that game; I've played it many times, and some of my best role-playing memories involve LARPing it at A-Kon some eleven years or so ago.

Rather, I see werewolves retaining human religion and for that matter general membership with society, but on discovering one's lycanthropic nature, or getting bitten into it, one does have to do some soul-searching.

If word were to get out and werewolves able to reveal themselves in public, only then would a well-organized lycanthropic community exist beyond small circles.

I'll consider Wicca, a Pagan religion, as a point of reference, but not so much as a model for the content of the religion itself so much as the mode of organization to extrapolate about werewolf culture. (Wicca does, however, have elements similar to a Werewolf LARP I once played.) Because the religion is a minority that is poorly understood by the lay public, members often must practice in secret. Many practice as solitaries, while others do it as couples or small groups. The groups are perhaps analogous to packs. Wiccan circle members do not follow cult methods--you don't see communes, isolation from society, or other weird stuff. Most non-Wiccans are amazed once they get to know Pagans and witches at how normal they are. Likewise, I picture werewolves as being remarkably normal people who integrate with society, but who might find each other almost quite by chance, maybe by recognizing a scent or noticing how the other person also always seems to take full moon holidays. Then they might organize into small groups, or at least marry, possibly to have families.

But, I don't see underground werewolves having an elaborate civilization that sees their involvement with humans a secondary issue. I don't see a huge litany or "werewolf code," that new converts memorize and recite; I think if werewolf society had rules, it would be simple, along the lines of "don't bite just anyone," or "don't tell people about werewolves." Werewolves might pass on some information, such as "I understand there's a pack in Chicago that is buying up some land in Wisconsin for use as hunting ground." I don't see "The Wendigo Crips are summoning Grandfather Buffalo, just like the prophesy of the Silver Blade has warned. We must call upon all Lycans who are Level 6 or higher, so we can spend our Gnosis Points to repel the Plot Mechanism."

Merrypaws · Post by **Merrypaws** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:07 am

I really don't think that werewolves have/need their own religion, period. Every ww is still some part human, so it would make sense that they would go with their native human religion/culture even after the change.
That's my opinion, anyone's free to disagree.

Stone Wolf · Post by **Stone Wolf** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:22 am

I agree with you, Merrypaws. It would be a logical thing to do... and it would help them to continue their normal lives without someone suspecting them of anything...

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:19 am

Merrypaws wrote:I really don't think that werewolves have/need their own religion, period. Every ww is still some part human, so it would make sense that they would go with their native human religion/culture even after the change.
That's my opinion, anyone's free to disagree.

I'm the same way. Werewolves don't need thier own religion. Unless they are a totally different race with no human qualities. It just depends on what the writer wants with his/her werewolf characters. I read up on White wolf's werewolves. There is a bunch of stuff I didn't like.

Look at my avatar. (LoboLEO drew that, by the way.) Put it side by side with Goldenwolf's werewolf art. What major difference do you see? (Beside the duckie in the paw and the pants.) The only difference is the style. We all have the same "ingredients" when putting our werewolves together. The only difference is its personality.

(Mine likes to throw duckies at other werewolves.) :duckiemind:

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:19 am

I just can't stress this enough: There are no right answers. Goldenwolf's werewolves and the White Wolf versions certainly are well-thought definitions, but until a real life werewolf comes out of the closet about his problem and gives us a full definition, all we can do is speculate and/or fantasize.

And considering what happened between White Wolf and Underworld, Freeborn really would be better off with its own unique version. There's nothing actually written that says if werewolves exist, so must vampires.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:41 am

Terastas wrote:I just can't stress this enough: There are no right answers. Goldenwolf's werewolves and the White Wolf versions certainly are well-thought definitions, but until a real life werewolf comes out of the closet about his problem and gives us a full definition, all we can do is speculate and/or fantasize.

Of course. I said the same thing in another thread because they don't exist. If I grabbed a book to study up on werewolves, I'm just reading someone elses views.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:31 pm

Yeah, which really there should be no reason to criticise on werewolfs.

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:43 pm

OK, I'll concede. What I feel is most believable is hardly either ratified canon or established scientific theory. It's just how I feel about what I'd find more likely or believable.

But, I used to be overly critical of excessive regeneration capabilities. Then, I found on my PDA this article (which I've been posting links like crazy) :

http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,68962,00.html

So, who am I to say what is or isn't plausible? Maybe shapeshifting can work, too...

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:25 am

Scott Gardener wrote:OK, I'll concede. What I feel is most believable is hardly either ratified canon or established scientific theory. It's just how I feel about what I'd find more likely or believable.

But, I used to be overly critical of excessive regeneration capabilities. Then, I found on my PDA this article (which I've been posting links like crazy) :

http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,68962,00.html

So, who am I to say what is or isn't plausible? Maybe shapeshifting can work, too...

Allright...allright...geez Scott Gardener...you've mentioned that in at least three, (if not more) threads allready. We get it...

...regenerating mouse...

...incredible...

...opens whole new perspective on the concept...

...whatever...

Just please don't start an entire new thread on it as well. You've allready created more than enough opportunities to discuss this scientific phenomenon.

...it is cool though...

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:52 am

Vuldari wrote:
Scott Gardener wrote:OK, I'll concede. What I feel is most believable is hardly either ratified canon or established scientific theory. It's just how I feel about what I'd find more likely or believable.

But, I used to be overly critical of excessive regeneration capabilities. Then, I found on my PDA this article (which I've been posting links like crazy) :

http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,68962,00.html

So, who am I to say what is or isn't plausible? Maybe shapeshifting can work, too...
Allright...allright...geez Scott Gardener...you've mentioned that in at least three, (if not more) threads allready. We get it...

...regenerating mouse...

...incredible...

...opens whole new perspective on the concept...

...whatever...

Just please don't start an entire new thread on it as well. You've allready created more than enough opportunities to discuss this scientific phenomenon.

...it is cool though...

oh wow!!! Have you guys seen this!!!

http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,68962,00.html

Regenerating mice!!!

white · Post by **white** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:32 am

There's not much we can do past just waiting to see what happens, unless you feel like getting a PhD in biology. Prediction of future technology can be nearly impossble, and we're restricted to mere speculation in anything other than the vaugest terms. However, I"m confident that those who answer 'yes' to my sig may live to see the oppertunity, myself

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:40 pm

Maybe we should get back on topic. Who was the bozo who started the regenerating mice banter?

Oh. Right. Anyway...

I stilll feel that werewolves are more likely to bring with them pre-existing religions rather than converting over to an internal one. Still, I could suppose that werewolves could be organized enough to distribute beliefs. Couple that with the soul-searching, I suppose a sort-of religious worldview could be plausible. Still, lean in favor of keeping pre-bite faith.

Morkulv · Post by **Morkulv** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:38 am

I think werewolves should be Satanic. Not evil outraged beasts, but just Satanic in a religious way.

Celestialwolf · Post by **Celestialwolf** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:43 am

Goldenwolf wrote:Yeah, um, I have created a race of werewolves the way -I- think werewolves should be. For me. Glad that you're a fan, but since werewolves are fictional creatures (and yes, werewolves as I think of them are) werewolves can be anything you can make up about them.

[my rantings]Goldenwolf's werewolves are the best-to me. The Kierrn have most of the attributes I would consider a werewolf to have. Other than that, I add my own stuff and call it good.

As for religion, ww's are humans that can transform into werewolves, not the other way around. That means they are primarily human and would be members human religions just like other people, IMO.[/my rantings]

Merrypaws · Post by **Merrypaws** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:28 am

Morkulv wrote:I think werewolves should be Satanic. Not evil outraged beasts, but just Satanic in a religious way.

Okay, now I'm confused.
And curious. Care to elaborate that? Why satanic?

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:35 am

I think what he means by satanic is ....."IM BAD!!" you know kinda like if a person is a troublemaker. Am I right?

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