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we get some of a uber werewolf thing going on. we think that werewolves are super strong, fast, intelligent, ETC. and still would look like muscle bound studs and slinky sex kittens.

we haven't really talked about the imporfections of the werewolf like in gestalt form could be a really fat wolfie or one very skinny that looks like a small child can beat the crap out of like with humanity. am'i the only one that feels that way that we are expecting too much from a creature that dosen't exist. in real life i bet they are just as riddled with imporfections with weight, hight, fur, fur color, build, inteligence, etc. as we are.

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Theres gotta be one that its snout isnt fully grown, or looks a tad deformed somewhat.

I'm sure that they have some of the same imperfections as humans do.. like some aren't as smart as others, over-weight, aren't as muscular, asma, low white blood cell count, cancers, ect...

They aren't perfect.. nothing and no one is...

I really can't see them as being invincible... I mean, everything has its weak point. I dunno, maybe some diseases they would be even more prone to than other animals, or something to that effect.

i imagine that there would be some werewolves with simular diseases like some of you have mentioned, like asma, diabetes, and sunt growth. there would be some deformites that would come from just being a werewolf like an albino, short pug like muzzles, and floppy ears

yes gentic treats would have to play in with a realistic werewolf

personally, i agree with you. i believe that one's werewolf form reflects their human form. any scars or weirdnesses stay with the body through the change. weight wouldn't change, and fat would at MOST change places. if a person is pigeonfuuted as a human, they'd be pigionfuuted as a werewolf. if a person had cancer as a human, they would have cancer as a werewolf. any change in height would be proportional to their height as a human. etcetera etcetera etcetera.
werewolves should by NO MEANS be clones of one another. every human that changes into one would naturally be different, so why shouldn't the werewolves they become be any different?
i agree with anubis. make sure that all physical and personality attributes and issues present in the human form should be translated into all of the other forms.
admitted, i realize that this will make for one HELL of a job for any animators, and there will have to be some VERY specific research into how real wolves scar and other things, but isn't that all part of designing the perfect werewolf? i think so. and if nobody else is willing to do such research, i voulunteer my services!!!
~Celtwolf

caner in a werewolf would be bad if there cells spilt at a faster rate.

Well, in the animal world. Something born with an imperfection will die at an early age. Only the strong will survive. Its the law of nature.

But do human follow that law of nature? No. We have ways of keeping the imperfect child alive. Depending on what the imperfection is, it could be something that'll drain the parents. Meaning the parents has to be around the weak child to provide for it. You can't have that in the wild.


So with that in mind. Will a werewolf take care of an imperfect new born?



Now...if a human with an imperfection is bitten by a werewolf, maybe the "virus" will kill the human since its "defective." The virus maybe to much for the human to handle. That or the 1st shift. They have to survive the 1st shift, yes?

Figarou wrote: Now...if a human with an imperfection is bitten by a werewolf, maybe the "virus" will kill the human since its "defective." The virus maybe to much for the human to handle. That or the 1st shift. They have to survive the 1st shift, yes?

I kind of like the idea of 'defective' humans being killed by the virus, while healthy humans are able to handle it. It would keep the werewolf population nice and strong. Of course, that depends on whether you apply it to both bitten werewolves or born. Personally, I think it could apply to both.

That being said, if 'defective' humans are allowed by the virus to become werewolves, I view the gestalt form as sort of an equalizer. Not a perfect equalizer, by any means, but an equalizer of sorts. For example, if you're really overweight in human form, and you have trouble walking and moving, the problems wouldn't be so severe in gestalt form. Sure, the other werewolves would still be faster than you, but at least you could move and walk and run without having to stop to catch your breath every ten seconds. You'd still be overweight, but it wouldn't be such a big issue.

Yeah but also some parents in the wild life kills thier young if they are deformed, like dolphins. I can see the werewolf parents doing this sense the child wont survive on its own so they end its misery quickly right there.

I just realised that much of what I just said in the "Wrist Pads" thread is as much or more relevant here.

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It appears that we seem to be thinking along the same lines on this topic.

...werewolves should not be univerally "perfect", but prone to some diseases and deformity and other imperfections, just like any other creature ever to live in the history of the world.

Great minds think alike.

dnl wrote:caner in a werewolf would be bad if there cells spilt at a faster rate.

That's a good point. If cells were to be dividing at a faster rate in werewolves than in human beings, presumably that would be something that could be particularly afflict a werewolf more than a normal human. And even if division speed wasn't increased (ie, ignoring healing ability), and shifting took advantage of cell redifferentiation, such redifferentiation events could prove to be a root cause of increased cancer rates in werewolves over a human population.

Excelsia wrote:I kind of like the idea of 'defective' humans being killed by the virus, while healthy humans are able to handle it. It would keep the werewolf population nice and strong. Of course, that depends on whether you apply it to both bitten werewolves or born. Personally, I think it could apply to both.

This is what I would expect as well.

Lupin wrote:

Excelsia wrote:I kind of like the idea of 'defective' humans being killed by the virus, while healthy humans are able to handle it. It would keep the werewolf population nice and strong. Of course, that depends on whether you apply it to both bitten werewolves or born. Personally, I think it could apply to both.

This is what I would expect as well.

Of course.

A human won't be "cured" from all ailments, illnesses, diseases, bad DNA, and disfunctions if bitten by a werewolf.

It doesn't work that way.

Figarou wrote:Of course.

A human won't be "cured" from all ailments, illnesses, diseases, bad DNA, and disfunctions if bitten by a werewolf.

It doesn't work that way.

No, I mean that due to the stress of the shift, a sufficently unhealthy human would probably die, and not become a werewolf.

Of course Werewolves shouldn't be perfect, they should be as imperfect as their human sides. Occaisonalkly there might be a few that have lycanthropy-related disorders, like a part of the body may not shift correctly, or something ("Ahhh! I still have a tail!" or "Dude...your face didn't shift...").

Things like being a albino as a human would result in white fur, as well as pink-ish white nose/pawpads and other parts of the wolf-body that usually are black. Like this
fellow. Or one might not shift his fur in or not fully in, resulting in looking like a Dog-Soldiers Werewolf or something. Hypertrichosis could occur (as a opposite to the hairless-WW.)

Mental disorders might be things like hollywood-werewolf mindset or something.

Lupin wrote:

Figarou wrote:Of course.

A human won't be "cured" from all ailments, illnesses, diseases, bad DNA, and disfunctions if bitten by a werewolf.

It doesn't work that way.

No, I mean that due to the stress of the shift, a sufficently unhealthy human would probably die, and not become a werewolf.

Oh..that. It was mentioned elsewhere.

Aki wrote:Of course Werewolves shouldn't be perfect, they should be as imperfect as their human sides. Occaisonalkly there might be a few that have lycanthropy-related disorders, like a part of the body may not shift correctly, or something ("Ahhh! I still have a tail!" or "Dude...your face didn't shift...").

Hehe, that would really suck, yes.

Aki wrote:Things like being a albino as a human would result in white fur, as well as pink-ish white nose/pawpads and other parts of the wolf-body that usually are black. Like this
fellow.

That guy's awesome.

Shadow Wulf wrote:Great minds think alike.

Actually, great minds think for themselves, but that's not the focus of this topic.

Of course werewolves should have imperfections. No creature in the history of Gaia (erm, the world, earth, whatever...) is perfect.

Aki wrote:Of course Werewolves shouldn't be perfect, they should be as imperfect as their human sides. Occaisonalkly there might be a few that have lycanthropy-related disorders, like a part of the body may not shift correctly, or something ("Ahhh! I still have a tail!" or "Dude...your face didn't shift...").

Things like being a albino as a human would result in white fur, as well as pink-ish white nose/pawpads and other parts of the wolf-body that usually are black. Like this
fellow. Or one might not shift his fur in or not fully in, resulting in looking like a Dog-Soldiers Werewolf or something. Hypertrichosis could occur (as a opposite to the hairless-WW.)

Mental disorders might be things like hollywood-werewolf mindset or something.

What we need is a Jerry Lewis type telethon for these helpless, mentally disordered werewolves.

Figarou wrote:
What we need is a Jerry Lewis type telethon for these helpless, mentally disordered werewolves.

BARK Wooflaven!

Nature isn't elitist or fascist; it doesn't group based on any particular ideal so much as kill off things that die. If a genetic construct cannot survive, it dies, but it lives until it reaches the point at which it can't. So, non-lethal flaws survive. That's why I have to wear glasses and most mice can't regrow ears.

Lycanthropy would probably be lethal to people whose overall physiologic state aren't up to the beating of the infection process, such as, say, the frail elderly. Young infants are vulnerable but strangely resiliant; they'll either die right away or come out of it shining. Lycanthropy might fix some problems by patching some genes, but could very well create problems in the process. For example, people who already have a lot of plaques in their arteries are at risk of embolisms into the lungs, heart, or brain, as the plaques get broken down and absorbed by a body that is reconfiguring the body for shapeshifting. This could make a werewolf bite in the past week a risk factor for stroke, heart attack, or pulmonary embolisms. Given that plaques build up starting in the late teens or early twenties, lycanthropy could be like most TV marketing, in that it favors people under 35.

Some problems might not be fixable just by gene patching to reconfigure the body for shifting. Type II diabetes, the most common form, might be affected, as it is based on insulin resistance in the tissues of the body, which would be reconditioned in order to accomodate the heavy demands of shifting. But, Type I diabetes might or might not, depending on whether the body could regenerate specific pockets of cells that die off in the disease.

One thing lycanthropy certainly would help with is killing the tobacco industry. Cigarettes stink, and it's a lot harder to put up with their odor when your sense of smell can't be burned out by the things.

Do you think lycanthropy could do more harm than good for those who are strong and healthy?