Trapped in Form?

[CrypticIdentity]

Sort of an idea brought about by Animorphs overdose... Can a werewolf get trapped in one of its forms? Or, to word it another way, is there anyway for a werewolf to be prevented from transforming back into human from wolf or vice versa? Also, consider the implications: If trapped in wolf form for some interim, people might go looking for them, they might lose their job... And the alternative--what would it be like for a long-time werewolf to not be able to shift?

[Anubis]

i think so, i like to think that anatomy is like the mechanics of a car. things break down for one thing or another, like lack of propper mainance, the use, how old it is and even the condition it was made in.

in the world i made for WOLF, a cancer infects a team member's Metaglads and has to remove it, now he can't TF. why? the Meteglands make a hormone that tells the body what form to shift to. no metaglands, no hormone, no TF, but he can TF by synthetic hormones via syringe.

also a werewolf can get too old, you know arthirtis and it's too pianful to TF or it get harder for them

or there could be a some kind of werewolf disease that has that kind of effect on them.

[Apokryltaros]

in the world i made for WOLF, a cancer infects a team member's Metaglads and has to remove it, now he can't TF. why? the Meteglands make a hormone that tells the body what form to shift to. no metaglands, no hormone, no TF, but he can TF by synthetic hormones via syringe.

also a werewolf can get too old, you know arthirtis and it's too pianful to TF or it get harder for them

or there could be a some kind of werewolf disease that has that kind of effect on them.

You mean like cancer of the Pituitary gland (aka "the master gland" that tells the other glands what to do)?

I figure that if a werewolf spends too much time in one form (ie, weeks at a time), whether by choice or by circumstance, he or she would find shifting back into other forms would be difficult.

[Anubis]

no i'm talking about a gland thats entirely unique to the werewolf or in my story world the Ry'ou. its connected to the brain so it can conchiously TF


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[Alpha]

Can a werewolf get trapped in one of its forms? Or, to word it another way, is there anyway for a werewolf to be prevented from transforming back into human from wolf or vice versa?

The only way I see this happening is if something is deliberately done to interfere with with the hormones during the shift. This was shown in both of the Underworld films. 1st was when Lucian told Michael that he was given an enzyme shot to prevent his shifting. In Evolution, when Selene and Michael came upon that dead Lycan still in its werewolf form, Michael commented on how he always thought that Lycans would revert to their human form upon death. Selene responded by saying that it was because it had been given a shot (most likely the same kind that was given to Michael).

[vrikasatma]

It would be a great storyline/plot twist!

[Figarou]

in the world i made for WOLF, a cancer infects a team member's Metaglads and has to remove it, now he can't TF. why? the Meteglands make a hormone that tells the body what form to shift to. no metaglands, no hormone, no TF, but he can TF by synthetic hormones via syringe.

also a werewolf can get too old, you know arthirtis and it's too pianful to TF or it get harder for them

or there could be a some kind of werewolf disease that has that kind of effect on them.

You mean like cancer of the Pituitary gland (aka "the master gland" that tells the other glands what to do)?

I figure that if a werewolf spends too much time in one form (ie, weeks at a time), whether by choice or by circumstance, he or she would find shifting back into other forms would be difficult.

Yup.

Just like the zipper being stuck on your furry costume.

[Morkulv]

I think thats not possible. I think becoming a werewolf is a reaction in some kind of rage. And soon or later, you have to cool down. So I don't think it can get 'trapped' in werewolf-form.

[Timber-WoIf]

it would be possible, but only under special cercumstance. (such as the thing with the shots, or some kind of disease or disorder...) I dont think it would happen from spending too much time in or out of a form...
Age might affect difficulty, but it would take alot to fully prevent it.
Also, one could be blocked from shifting psychologically...

[Shadow Wulf]

Id go with the shot aswell, they have all sorts of chemicals now a days that they are likely to have toxin that interferes with the hormones and shifting, also in Underworld the death dealers use a kind silver bullet(no not the liquid silver) that prevents the werewolf from shifting aswell, it is also possible that if a werewolf remains in beast form for a really long time then it will become more and more difficult to revert cause the body is use to the beast form, but a week is not much, Id say about 2 or 3 weeks, then it will start becoming a challenge.

[Set]

The only way I see this happening is if something is deliberately done to interfere with with the hormones during the shift.

it would be possible, but only under special cercumstance. (such as the thing with the shots, or some kind of disease or disorder...) I dont think it would happen from spending too much time in or out of a form...

[Renorei]

Undoubtedly, there are ways in which it is possible to prevent a werewolf from shifting, by any of the ways mentioned above and probably plenty more. I would give a more thorough post, but pretty much everything I would have said has been covered.

[Scott Gardener]

Mine have a much better chance of getting stuck in wolf form than human form.

Mine shift through a distributed system that isn't easily disabled by damage to any one specific endocrine organ or CNS nucleus. Usually, shifting problems are psychological in nature.

My lead character sometimes dreams he's stuck in wolf form or shifting uncontrollably in public. It's the werewolf equivalent of the naked dream. He shifts in his sleep and then in the dream becomes aware of his wolf form's body.

[Timber-WoIf]

The only way i'd accept a werewolf having trouble shifting back to human if spent too much time in wolf form is if it applied both ways. (if he spent too long in human form hed have trouble shifting to wolf)

[CrewWolf]

I think it'd be difficult or impossible for an average, healthy werewolf to be stuck in human form without outside influence (some kind of inoculation as has been mentioned, etc). Full moon comes around and it's like the body "remembers" it's capabilities. Whether they actually shift or not depends on level of control (or lack of it) but the presence of the full moon is like an outside push to get the ball rolling down a steep hill.

I'm not doubtful about how a werewolf could be stuck in wolf form or at least have difficulty in changing back from a wolf after spending too much time as one, but I'm just speculating as to why that would be. Do they forget how to change back? Do the instincts gradually take over until they forget they once were human? Does the mind just sort of "settle" into the body so that after such a long time without some kind of transformation stimulus they're stuck?

[Terastas]

I know we've covered this possibility before, but I couldn't find the thread.

I couldn't find the thread, but I remember at least these two suggestions:

1) A werewolf may choose to live out an extended period of time -- even the remainder of their life -- in a form other than human. It may be possible that after living for so long in an alternative form, they may not only forget how to shift, but possibly even what it was like to be human in the first place.

2) Since shifting is presumed painful, excessive shifting could result in numerous stress-related illnesses or injuries, some of which could hinder or cripple a werewolf's ability to shift, especially those affecting the brain.

[Kirk Hammett]

I loved Animorphs! And I've always also played with the idea of being trapped in forms, both Gestalt and wolf form.

And yeah, I always sort of thought if a shifter wanted to, they could live out their lives in wolf form. Some stories say they should revert to human form in the morning, or more often. Others don't. Depends where you go really and what you read. There'd be issues associated with staying in the wolf form; urges to revert back to another life, oddities in behaviour at times. Whether they could actually ever successfully join a pack; and breeding wouldn't work, a wolf with a werewolf? How would that come off?

Is there a thread on that I'd like to read it.

[Chibiabos]

You know, we have some impossible possibilities, especially if you go by a full moon thing ... what if a werewolf in human form became an astronaut and went to the moon? Yeah I know not in this movie, but ya gotta wonder ... would they transform, instead, with a "full Earth" in the sky? heh.

Anyway, abck to this, I think it'd be interesting if depression or something similar might trap a werewolf in a form, if keeping healthy in spirit is as essential to their livelihoods as keeping healthy in body (and their existence a secret). Maybe they have no choice but to keep their spirit happy, whatever it takes ...

[CanisLupus]

I think that, if trapped on gestalt/wolf forms, the ww may will have a very deep psicologic damage. I mean, you born as a human, lived all your live as human, lived with another humans... and now you are a wolf, or a mix of wolf and human. Seeing theirselfes in this state permanently may make people mad. Unless the guy enjoys it.

[mexwerewolf]

I am thinking in the lines of a psychological trauma. What if the WW after his first shift, or after realizing the fact that he must remain hidden from society for the rest of his life, or even maybe after he has to kill a human (hunter or just someone who discover his secret). Maybe his brain could block his werewolf part including his own realization that he is a WW and of course, his shifting ability.

This would depend on how much the shift can be triggered by the brain, or triggered by some hormone without the brain interaction. If the shift is controlled or initiated by the brain, then it could be possible for the brain to avoid shifting what so ever.

This could go the other way around too. Maybe after a terrible massacre, this particular WW would disregard his human part and remain in Gestalt or Wolf form the remainder of his life.

[Scott Gardener]

I picture shifting becoming less painful over a fairly short time. My werewolves are a lot healthier if they do shift frequently. Those who try to suppress it and not shift are the ones who have health problems.

[Terastas]

You know, we have some impossible possibilities, especially if you go by a full moon thing ... what if a werewolf in human form became an astronaut and went to the moon? Yeah I know not in this movie, but ya gotta wonder ... would they transform, instead, with a "full Earth" in the sky? heh.

It probably has more to do with the gravitational pull between the Earth and the moon and/or the way light reflects off of the moon and through the Earth's atmosphere than anything special about the moon itself. We had another thread concerning why the full moon is responsible, and while we didn't really finalize anything, it was brought up that a full moon has been proven to have psychological affects and that the moon influences the tides and, since the human body is predominantly water, it could influence us as well.

[Anubis]

(Off topic)wait a minute! if thats true then a werewolf would TF once every six hours with the tides because that when the moon is closest to an area. and what about evolutionary wise what sort of event(s) that could bring an involintary TF when a full moon hangs up in the sky?

[Shadow Wulf]

Anubis has a point thier Terastas. Boy thats gotta suck having to worry about TFing twice a day, you would have no life.

[Syzygy]

Hmm...
What about some sort of a silver collar (forcibly) put on the werewolf's neck in human form. Wouldn't that slice into their neck if they tried to TF?