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Demonology?

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:41 pm
by lycancomplex
I was wondering, are werewolves considered as demons?

Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:47 pm
by Vuldari
First...Define" Demon".
It means more than one thing that could apply here

Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:35 am
by Apokryltaros
Usually, no, werewolves are not considered to be "demons," provided one uses the definition of a demon as being an evil spirit of some sort.
This is because a werewolf is generally defined as being a human who can transform into a wolf, or assume wolf-like features.
However, some people have created (the idea of) werewolves as people who gain the ability to assume the powers and or form of a wolf through demonic pacts, ala "a deal with the devil."

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 5:19 pm
by Scott Gardener
Depends on who you ask. I don't consider them such, and neither do most werewolf fans, except for those who come at it strictly from the horror angle. Most therians consider the "demon" label a blatant insult, since it implies evil-ness.

Still, the werewolf of 16th century European folklore was considered an evil sorcerer in league with demons, and several crappy even-numbered Howling sequels worked with the idea that lycanthropes were demons.

But, ultimately, no. We're not. Ehem, I mean, they're not. Little misprint there, don't read anything into it.

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:04 pm
by lycancomplex

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:28 pm
by Apokryltaros
Then it would be a demonic wolf that could assume a human form.

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:08 am
by Moonstalker
In middle ages, werewolves were believed to be minions of satan :P

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:01 pm
by Morkulv
Moonstalker wrote:In middle ages, werewolves were believed to be minions of satan :P
With a reason. In several books and religious writings, werewolves were mentioned as 'minions of Satan'. But on the other hand, not everything that is written, is true.

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:38 pm
by Apokryltaros
The Christian Church's stance on things back in the Middle Ages:
"Predators of peasants and or peasants' livelihood" = "Minions of Satan"
"Competitors of peasants and or peasants' livelihood" ="Minions of Satan"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:26 am
by Kirk Hammett
On Buffy they are demons. But Joss Whedon and his crew have defined demons possibly by his own creation. So it depends how you yourself define demon.

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 11:12 am
by Apokryltaros
Kirk Hammett wrote:On Buffy they are demons. But Joss Whedon and his crew have defined demons possibly by his own creation. So it depends how you yourself define demon.
In the Buffyverse, werewolves weren't demons.
They were cursed humans who passed on their curse whenever they bite another human (and didn't kill them as a result).
Vampires were demons, sort of.

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:02 pm
by Terastas
Not by default, but as Scott said, they would be demons to some people. . . But then again, some people also consider Pokemon and Harry Potter to be demons. It's just a matter of who you ask.

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:45 pm
by Apokryltaros
Terastas wrote:Not by default, but as Scott said, they would be demons to some people. . . But then again, some people also consider Pokemon and Harry Potter to be demons. It's just a matter of who you ask.
"Are you chewing gum, Harry Potter?"
"No, ma'am, hellfire!"
*foosh*
"Ahahah! Wonderful!"

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:45 pm
by strykeriuswolf
Sence nobody did it i took the liberty, i got this defination off of answers.com

1. An evil supernatural being; a devil.

If you want the Encylcopidea thingy here is the link

http://www.answers.com/topic/demon

Demons....

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:58 pm
by RedEye
Back in the Day...you could be Demonified easily...just be different.
Be of the Wrong Christian Religion. Be of any other religion, period.
Be a Moor, a Chinese, a Viking, basically, anybody that was different from the Standard model Christian (Catholic).

OR...be an "Immodest Woman"

Tolerance wasn't a really big thing, back then...or now, for that matter, although we ARE doing better.

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:06 pm
by Apokryltaros
Yes, kindling is more expensive today.

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 12:23 am
by Vuldari

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:18 am
by Kirk Hammett
Apokryltaros wrote:
Kirk Hammett wrote:On Buffy they are demons. But Joss Whedon and his crew have defined demons possibly by his own creation. So it depends how you yourself define demon.
In the Buffyverse, werewolves weren't demons.
They were cursed humans who passed on their curse whenever they bite another human (and didn't kill them as a result).
Vampires were demons, sort of.
I always thought they were called demons but am too lazy and have too bad a memory to even bother :P you're probably right.

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:01 am
by Terastas
Vuldari wrote:There is also the Japanise Demon, which is the generic name for a supernatural creature of almost any sort, evil or not.

For example, a friendly Kitsune would be considered a "Demon".

If you watch any japanise Anime, you will encounter this use of the word VERY frequently.
InuYasha being the classic example. By their definition, even Shippo counts as a demon.
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RedEye wrote:Back in the Day...you could be Demonified easily...just be different.
Be of the Wrong Christian Religion. Be of any other religion, period.
Be a Moor, a Chinese, a Viking, basically, anybody that was different from the Standard model Christian (Catholic).

OR...be an "Immodest Woman"

Tolerance wasn't a really big thing, back then...or now, for that matter, although we ARE doing better.
It still isn't. When I was in college, one of my english professors almost lost his job because a parent complained about his textbook which included "a picture of the Buddah, among other Satanic images."

Hmmmmm...

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:22 am
by RedEye
That might be the result of early Christianity in Japan, where EVERY spirit was a demon, according to the Catholic Missionaries of the day.
Wisely, the Shogun gave them the boot, but the word probably remained into the modern period.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:02 pm
by greniar
okay...this may not fully answer anybody's question but I'll give it a shot....................ahem...what about the story in the bible where God turned King Nebuchadnezzer into a beast with quote"hair as long as an eagle's feathers and nails as the vulture's talons" for seven years.





Oh......and just because you are a minion of satan doesn't mean you are a demon, mortal witches and spell casters were concidered minions of satan but were not thought of as demons.

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:20 pm
by Moon Daughter
Demons, by all normal stadards, are considered to be in no part at all human. They can take human form, but nothing of humanity exists within them. There are different species of demons (like someone mentioned Inuyasha) and even half demons, which are partially human.

Lycanthropy, whether you believe the basis be magical or scientific, has nothing to do with demons. In terms of the supernatural and magical, lycanthropy is normally considered a "curse" that is placed upon humans. In terms of scientifically, it is considered to be a "virus" with no possible connection to anything demonic.

Even though wereolves have been called "demonic", this does not make them demons. This is simply saying that they appear "demon-like" as in inhuman (like the gestalt or wolf form).

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 9:28 pm
by Apokryltaros
Moon Daughter wrote:Demons, by all normal stadards, are considered to be in no part at all human. They can take human form, but nothing of humanity exists within them. There are different species of demons (like someone mentioned Inuyasha) and even half demons, which are partially human.

Lycanthropy, whether you believe the basis be magical or scientific, has nothing to do with demons. In terms of the supernatural and magical, lycanthropy is normally considered a "curse" that is placed upon humans. In terms of scientifically, it is considered to be a "virus" with no possible connection to anything demonic.

Even though wereolves have been called "demonic", this does not make them demons. This is simply saying that they appear "demon-like" as in inhuman (like the gestalt or wolf form).
Sometimes, people bargained with demons to become werewolves. The verses of spells that would change a person into a werewolf (ala wolf's belt and unbaptized baby's fat ointment) had the caster ask the various evil spirits of the 4 Elements, in turns, to lend him the power to cast off his human form.

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 8:42 pm
by lycancomplex
I quess there could be different types of werewolves out there? :wings: :angel: :family: