Ahhh, the sorted issue of gender.

Apokryltaros · Post by **Apokryltaros** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:49 am

outwarddoodles wrote:
Wouldn't a werewolf's regenerative powers take care of this sensitive problem?
Why in the world would the sperm and eggs have to change during shifts? And if somehow that happened its posible they become sterile.

Um, what gives you the idea that shifting shapes destroys one's fertility?
Who said that the eggs and sperm change, even?
You do realize that our ability to produce gametes can not be lost through mere physical trauma, unless the trauma is so great so as to destroy the gonads, right?
Furthermore, with males, at least, they produce thousands upon thousands of sperm, on a monthly basis, and replenish their stores regularly.
Females, on the other hand, have, in comparison, a limited store of eggs (1 million eggs versus 64 kajillion sperm). On the other hand, an egg in the ovary will not die, so long as it continues to be nourished by its nurse cells, and recieves a steady supply of estrogen. And as far as I can tell, female werewolves have plenty of estrogen.

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:27 am

I've generally assumed that werewolves were on a cytological level homologous shape-shifters. In plain English, that means that cell types do not change between forms; they just elongate, stretch, and in the case of places like the tail, rapidly multiply or die off. (I suppose some stem cells could migrate from sacral pockets to help form the tail.)

Gametes and gonads are a fairly minor problem compared to things like teeth and bones. Sterility could be a useful plot device for some, if you want a Highlander-like "how sad (or glad) that I can't have kids." But, it's not a requisite conclusion.

Silverclaw · Post by **Silverclaw** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:50 pm

I thought that shifting would change the sperm/eggs of the WW. In gestalt form they got gestalt sperm/eggs; wolf form=wolf sperm/eggs. I'd think they would stay reasonably fertal as well. If two WW's in full-wolf form got it on and stayed in that form during pregnacy, chances are you'll get a wolf pup(s). Not a human baby.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:57 pm

Silverclaw wrote:I thought that shifting would change the sperm/eggs of the WW. In gestalt form they got gestalt sperm/eggs; wolf form=wolf sperm/eggs. I'd think they would stay reasonably fertal as well. If two WW's in full-wolf form got it on and stayed in that form during pregnacy, chances are you'll get a wolf pup(s). Not a human baby.

The things in people's mind these days.

Silverclaw · Post by **Silverclaw** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:07 pm

They started it!

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:14 pm

Silverclaw wrote:They started it!

Try having that type of conversation at the dinner table.

Or with people that are not into werewolves.

Kzinistzerg · Post by **Kzinistzerg** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:42 pm

"you know, i was just htinking about the complexities of weewolf mating the other day, and..."

dosn't work.

Apokryltaros · Post by **Apokryltaros** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:42 pm

Silverclaw wrote:I thought that shifting would change the sperm/eggs of the WW. In gestalt form they got gestalt sperm/eggs; wolf form=wolf sperm/eggs. I'd think they would stay reasonably fertal as well. If two WW's in full-wolf form got it on and stayed in that form during pregnacy, chances are you'll get a wolf pup(s). Not a human baby.

I strongly doubt that the gametes of a werewolf would "change" kind as their owners change shape.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:58 pm

Apokryltaros wrote:
Silverclaw wrote:I thought that shifting would change the sperm/eggs of the WW. In gestalt form they got gestalt sperm/eggs; wolf form=wolf sperm/eggs. I'd think they would stay reasonably fertal as well. If two WW's in full-wolf form got it on and stayed in that form during pregnacy, chances are you'll get a wolf pup(s). Not a human baby.
I strongly doubt that the gametes of a werewolf would "change" kind as their owners change shape.

It sounds odd to have the gametes of a werewolf "change" kind when the werewolf shifts.

The silly things people come up with these days!!

*starts climbing up the wall*

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:05 pm

Figarou wrote:
*starts climbing up the wall*

*shoots Fig down* :cyborg3:

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:10 pm

Aki wrote:
Figarou wrote:
*starts climbing up the wall*
*shoots Fig down*

*falls*

Hey, now why you have to go and do that for?

I was going to change that light bulb while I was up there.

Set · Post by **Set** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:21 pm

Figarou wrote:I was going to change that light bulb while I was up there.

Let Spider-Man do it.

Kzinistzerg · Post by **Kzinistzerg** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:26 pm

or 5 therians

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:29 pm

Shadowblaze wrote:or 5 therians

one to hold the light bulb while 4 turns the ladder.

oh, I'm going to be pelted by duckies for sure!!!

Kzinistzerg · Post by **Kzinistzerg** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:34 pm

yep.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:36 pm

Shadowblaze wrote:yep.

I think not!! :missed:

Kzinistzerg · Post by **Kzinistzerg** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:50 pm

outwarddoodles · Post by **outwarddoodles** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:59 pm

These icons are going to back fire you know? Apparently before we know it they'll be exessive and unnessesary throwing. And quite frankly when your proven wrong do you want someone to add to it and throw a duckie? Unless its plainly stupid.

Yet the new smiles are adorable.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:19 pm

outwarddoodles wrote:These icons are going to back fire you know? Apparently before we know it they'll be exessive and unnessesary throwing. And quite frankly when your proven wrong do you want someone to add to it and throw a duckie? Unless its plainly stupid.

Yet the new smiles are adorable.

confucius say "Toss explosive duckie before it blows up. Not after."

outwarddoodles · Post by **outwarddoodles** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:23 pm

Gawd. Ya see? I can't mention anything of thought without having a duckie thrown or having a joke cracked.

Vilkacis · Post by **Vilkacis** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:24 pm

Figarou wrote:confucius say "Toss explosive duckie before it blows up. Not after."

Figarou == Confucius?

-- Vilkacis

Confucius say, "Man who run in front of car get tired, but man who run behind car get exhausted."

Kzinistzerg · Post by **Kzinistzerg** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:28 pm

shadowblaze say; shut up and get back on topic, darn it!

WolvenOne · Post by **WolvenOne** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:29 pm

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It's the topic that never ends, it just on and on my friends, some people began discussing it not knowing what was, and they'll keep on discussing it just because It's the topic that never ends, it just on and on my friends, some people began discussing it not knowing what was, and they'll keep on discussing it just because

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Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:30 pm

outwarddoodles wrote:Gawd. Ya see? I can't mention anything of thought without having a duckie thrown or having a joke cracked.

Vilkacis · Post by **Vilkacis** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:47 pm

Ahhh, the sorted issue of gender.

Bah. There was a good description on the Were-Artists Guild's site, but I think Jakkal took that site down a while ago. At least, I haven't been able to find it recently.

Anyway, here are my thoughts, but influenced by that article:

Digitigrade is pointless unless the werewolf can run on all fours, so the structure of the werewolf should be such to facilitate running in such a manner. Thus, females shouldn't have floppy breasts, but they should be held closely to the body. Also, males wouldn't be all dangly, but should have a sheath. As far as the movie goes, plenty of hair down below is acceptable.

I do not think either would be sterile, especially given the regenerative capabilities we have agreed upon.

I also like much of what Jamie described earlier:
Females more graceful
Males with more upper-body mass, thicker neck, heavier neck-manes
Nipples hidden by fur
The hair on the hind legs

-- Vilkacis