Earthlings (documentary)
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:17 am
Who is the narrator he sounds so familiar! It bothered me throughout the whole thing
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Earthlings (documentary)
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:39 pm
....that's sad
Who is the narrator he sounds so familiar! It bothered me throughout the whole thing
Who is the narrator he sounds so familiar! It bothered me throughout the whole thing
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:18 pm
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:02 pm
While slaughter houses are horrible theres not TOO much we can do. Not if we need to feed millions of people and fast. Well unless we get rid of millions of people that is.
Also, there is no nice way to kill something. Slitting its throat is not that terrible. How do you think animals are killed in the wild? Wolves bite at its throat and begin to eat it while its still alive.
However, killing animals just so you can look pretty is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And I hate when they experiment.
Also, there is no nice way to kill something. Slitting its throat is not that terrible. How do you think animals are killed in the wild? Wolves bite at its throat and begin to eat it while its still alive.
However, killing animals just so you can look pretty is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And I hate when they experiment.
An Inconvenient Truth: Food and Drug Edition
Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:37 pm
I've been harping on this for over two decades. I'm just glad I'm not the only one who noticed.
I'm seeing the beginning of it now, and I'm quite impressed.
There are ways of feeding between ten and a hundred times as many humans as are fed by our current farming practices. It's to grow vegetables. The energy and land consumed feeding one person meat feeds many times over that many people equally nutritious vegetables. While I do not advocate enforcing total vegitarianism, I feel that using meat as a principle food source is both inefficient and unneccessarily cruel. I have recently resumed eating meat, because I have found a venue that enforces respect towards the animals. I fully endorse Whole Foods and recommend them to anyone who likes eating meat. Their meat products came from animals that were ensured a life without pain or stress to the best of the abilities and knowledge available to us. It is not eating meat per se to which I object, but I firmly advocate both moderation and supporting only those industries that behave ethically.
As for animal research, I was horrified to find out just how much of contemporary medicine still relies on it. I thought we were further along as a species; I honestly did. The "us or them" attitude among educated professionals was disturbing. That I practice medicine myself, at times I feel like a necromancer when I prescribe medicines generated and tested through a house of horror.
The human claim of superiority is a hypocracy. I will not accept it as anything other than pure bull**** until humans can act the part.
But, I am reassured when I see that there are others who see this, too, that I'm not alone when I see the suffering of conscious organisms as something that has to stop.
One brief disclaimer: I do not advocate eco-terrorist activities such as those of the Animal Liberation Front. Their misguided efforts, as noble as they might seem to themselves, does nothing towards resolving the underlying problem. The animals they "liberate" are unprepared for life outside cages; the research they disrupt will inevitably be restarted, ultimately bringing in even more animal suffering than would have been the case without the terrorists' involvement; and, the backlash they generate within human society pushes ideas of animal rights and welfare out of mainstream social progress and closer towards radical fringes. The best way to help other animals is to infiltrate into humanity real enlightenment, intelligence, and awareness.
And, another comment: one common criticism that I get is that "plants suffer, too." If you haven't seen the episode of Mythbusters that challenges this, suffice it to say, plants lack a central nervous system. It's not the same. And, again, I revert back to my efficiency argument. For feeding the masses general meals for nutrition sake, one still commits many times over less cruelty farming vegetables. If we're going to feed ten, twenty, or forty billion humans in the coming centuries, it's really the way to go, at least until future technology brings up more out-there solutions like Star Trek's food replicators.
I'm seeing the beginning of it now, and I'm quite impressed.
There are ways of feeding between ten and a hundred times as many humans as are fed by our current farming practices. It's to grow vegetables. The energy and land consumed feeding one person meat feeds many times over that many people equally nutritious vegetables. While I do not advocate enforcing total vegitarianism, I feel that using meat as a principle food source is both inefficient and unneccessarily cruel. I have recently resumed eating meat, because I have found a venue that enforces respect towards the animals. I fully endorse Whole Foods and recommend them to anyone who likes eating meat. Their meat products came from animals that were ensured a life without pain or stress to the best of the abilities and knowledge available to us. It is not eating meat per se to which I object, but I firmly advocate both moderation and supporting only those industries that behave ethically.
As for animal research, I was horrified to find out just how much of contemporary medicine still relies on it. I thought we were further along as a species; I honestly did. The "us or them" attitude among educated professionals was disturbing. That I practice medicine myself, at times I feel like a necromancer when I prescribe medicines generated and tested through a house of horror.
The human claim of superiority is a hypocracy. I will not accept it as anything other than pure bull**** until humans can act the part.
But, I am reassured when I see that there are others who see this, too, that I'm not alone when I see the suffering of conscious organisms as something that has to stop.
One brief disclaimer: I do not advocate eco-terrorist activities such as those of the Animal Liberation Front. Their misguided efforts, as noble as they might seem to themselves, does nothing towards resolving the underlying problem. The animals they "liberate" are unprepared for life outside cages; the research they disrupt will inevitably be restarted, ultimately bringing in even more animal suffering than would have been the case without the terrorists' involvement; and, the backlash they generate within human society pushes ideas of animal rights and welfare out of mainstream social progress and closer towards radical fringes. The best way to help other animals is to infiltrate into humanity real enlightenment, intelligence, and awareness.
And, another comment: one common criticism that I get is that "plants suffer, too." If you haven't seen the episode of Mythbusters that challenges this, suffice it to say, plants lack a central nervous system. It's not the same. And, again, I revert back to my efficiency argument. For feeding the masses general meals for nutrition sake, one still commits many times over less cruelty farming vegetables. If we're going to feed ten, twenty, or forty billion humans in the coming centuries, it's really the way to go, at least until future technology brings up more out-there solutions like Star Trek's food replicators.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 1:02 pm
Joaquin Phoenix. Sorry its so late!Fenrir wrote:....that's sad
Who is the narrator he sounds so familiar! It bothered me throughout the whole thing
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:31 pm
Wow that's...way to damn long. I'm only posting to point out the stupidity of this comment:
I'm sorry, but I don't find drowning in your own blood on account of the big gaping hole in your neck to be "not that terrible". There are quicker and less painful ways to kill something. Just because a wolf can only kill with a bite doesn't mean a human, which is fully capable of using other methods, has to do something similar.MoonKit wrote:Slitting its throat is not that terrible.