babies

Morkulv · Post by **Morkulv** » Fri May 25, 2007 7:30 am

Doesn't always matter. My dog (labrador) had white-furred parents, but she was completely black.

Silverwolfman · Post by **Silverwolfman** » Fri May 25, 2007 10:21 am

i think it depends on what happens while they're in the womb. they may gain characteristics of both parents but sometime sthey might only gain one set of characteristics from either parent. so it depends

Fyriewolf · Post by **Fyriewolf** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:49 pm

well i am just saying that because my sister watriewolf says that if a mother wolf has blondishbrown and the dad has lightningblonde hair then they will have a brownishblack hair

th@s not right. how is that possible? and is it even possible for th@ 2 happen

WerewolfKeeper3 · Post by **WerewolfKeeper3** » Fri May 25, 2007 6:34 pm

Fyriewolf

well i am just saying that because my sister watriewolf says that if a mother wolf has blondishbrown and the dad has lightningblonde hair then they will have a brownishblack hair Highly Confused th@s not right. how is that possible? and is it even possible for th@ 2 happen Confused

In humans, i could probably help you here, but humans have barely mapped out their genes.
(Barely? try not even close. That whole dominant allele thing probably has something to do with fur color, but if you remember, sometimes alleles express themselves at the same time. However, unlike you, i went back over the post. Fyriewolf, if i remember correctly, blond is a recessive allele. If one parent has blond hair, and the otehr has a combination of blond and brown, i seriously doubt their offspring will have brownishblack fur. For the blonde parent to be blond, he would have to have two alleles for blond. (max two for each trait mind you) The mother would have blond and brown alleles, so only a combinations of Blond and brown would be left. )
That doesn't make sense:

Morkulv
Doesn't always matter. My dog (labrador) had white-furred parents, but she was completely black.

That probably means black is a recessive trait in those animals. That could also mean, that blonde, or white, or whatever, is the dominant allele.

(Not necessarily. White and Black could both be recessive alleles, that express themselves together normally. In this case though, i would still say their offspring would not have brownishblack hair.)
If anyone can help me make sense of what I'm trying to write, that would be very appreciated.

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Fri May 25, 2007 7:31 pm

Set wrote:I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I will scream it at you until you shut the hell up. One thing I absolutely loathe is the not shifting until puberty thing. There's absolutely no reason for it. A kid should be able to shift. Either that, or make your werewolves sterile. PICK ONE.

Besides, shifting at puberty - a.k.a. the infamous time when you turn incredibly stupid - for your first shift would be a very dangerous to do. Teenagers aren't known for having good judgement.

I think the concept of lycanthropy maturing at puberty was created because a lot of us disliked the idea of toddler werewolves.

Something else that came up was the painful nature of shifting and the complications that could ensue during pregnancy. A period of dormancy in born werewolves simplifies that.

Set · Post by **Set** » Fri May 25, 2007 10:14 pm

Alright, which one of you drug this topic back up from the dead?

I still say if you're so against it, make your version of a werewolf not able to have kids. Solves the entire issue.

RedEye · Post by **RedEye** » Sat May 26, 2007 9:45 pm

Fyriewolf wrote:well i have a question. if a mother wolf had blondishbrown hair and the dad had lightningblonde hair what color will the cubs ahve blondishbrownw/thelightningblonde or w/othelightningblondehairor fur color?

Maybe. Hair is tough: kids get hair colors that match granpa, but not their parents.

Fyriewolf · Post by **Fyriewolf** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:01 pm

what do you mean not from their parents? i didn't no they get it from their granpa.

WerewolfKeeper3 · Post by **WerewolfKeeper3** » Tue May 29, 2007 6:16 pm

Set
i actually agree with both sides here,
My werewolves do have kids, and they can change, but its restricted by spells. They don't have claws or teeth, at least not until puberty. They can change, but unlike most people's ideas here, they don't feel pain,, and they can only change around people who know what they are and their own family. None of my werewolves feel pain during transformation. I kind of got sick of that part of the story line. Anyway, i don't like the kids not enjoying what their parents can either. However, i can see what the others have been saying about the danger: can you imagine what might happen if a two year old had a temper tantrum and he/she had claws and teeth?
Not that all children are like that, but i can see the danger to it, if left unchecked. (Still, he enjoy describing a werewolf pup running around on a hardwood floor, 'skating' on it that is.

)

Oh, and Fyriewolf
Redeye is right
Sometimes a creature might get their fur color from a different generation. That probably doesn't help matters.

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Wed May 30, 2007 7:29 am

I have to imagine a werewolf pregnancy would be kinda tough on the mother during the term. Can you imagine what a kick froma werewolf baby feels like? What if there are twins?

"OUCH!...OHHH....OOOH! Owwww Honey! honey I think they're fighitng in there! *punches stomach* Hey! Knock it off in there!

Set · Post by **Set** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:51 am

WerewolfKeeper3 wrote:can you imagine what might happen if a two year old had a temper tantrum and he/she had claws and teeth?

Yeh've never been around small children, have you? A little fur isn't gonna make a difference.

Rhuen · Post by **Rhuen** » Wed May 30, 2007 1:29 pm

The shifting at puberty thing was supposedly a metaphor for puberty being a time when the body goes through severe changes so it would make sense as the time when something like this might become active.

That and its a rip-off of Marvel comics where Mutants get their powers at puberty.

I say it depends on the type of werewolf.
I have some in my fiction who change their whole lives, are born in an animal form, and some that use rituals placed on captured children to create new pack members.

Motsiewolf · Post by **Motsiewolf** » Wed May 30, 2007 8:26 pm

MattSullivan wrote:I have to imagine a werewolf pregnancy would be kinda tough on the mother during the term. Can you imagine what a kick froma werewolf baby feels like? What if there are twins?

"OUCH!...OHHH....OOOH! Owwww Honey! honey I think they're fighitng in there! *punches stomach* Hey! Knock it off in there!

AHHAHAHA!!

Cracks me up!

Set wrote:Alright, which one of you drug this topic back up from the dead?

It wasn't me! *jabs finger at fyriewolf*

RedEye · Post by **RedEye** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:35 pm

It's just that babies are so cute, so cuddly; and so tasty with bernaise sauce...

Motsiewolf · Post by **Motsiewolf** » Thu May 31, 2007 3:40 pm

*holds side*

Great jokes, great jokes.

WerewolfKeeper3 · Post by **WerewolfKeeper3** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:53 pm

red eye wrote

It's just that babies are so cute, so cuddly; and so tasty with bernaise sauce...

What the (bleep)?
That is not cool. (But it is funny.

)
.

Set Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject:

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WerewolfKeeper3 wrote:
can you imagine what might happen if a two year old had a temper tantrum and he/she had claws and teeth?

Yeh've never been around small children, have you? A little fur isn't gonna make a difference.

Set, that's not what i meant. (And it's not the fur he's worried about.)
In my story, the werewolf kid has its baby teeth until it reaches pueberty (Don't call him a rip off artist. He didn't steal it from X-men

) and gets their claws then, because i think they can handle them better at that age. If, at night, that two year gets out and it had claws and teeth, and {althought my werewolves don't eat meat} it started attacking other animals, it might lead them back to the parents. I don't want the kids getting in trouble they can't get out of, is what i'm saying.[/quote]

RedEye · Post by **RedEye** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:00 pm

I can see Set's point about Werewolf offspring. The point about the Puberty thing is this:
There are a huge number of species where the adult is radically different from the nymph-or child form.

In both Wolves and Humans, there are major changes in the physical structure of the body as well as glandular and mental changes to boot.
It's the least expensive way, biologically, to accomplish a major rebuild of the body...just stick the Wulfen changes in along with everything else.
It's a time when the cellular template is at it most malleable. Werewolf babies would have the potentials, and probably some embarassing mini-shifts as babies, and as children would likely be on the hairy side and have fewer childhood illnesses than the average.

Set has an idea, and for all we know-is right. We are all just theorizing here, and every idea deserves fair consideration, agreeable or not.

Ookami-kun · Post by **Ookami-kun** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:39 am

You guys should read Fables in the concept of werewolf babies.

-> [spoiler]In some time later, Wolf and Snow White have seven cubs. All six are werewolves while the last one isn't. The babies themselves can turn into wolf or gestalt forms uncontrollably, but fear/surprise/anger/emotions can trigger the change (which will be shown later on).[/spoiler]

Motsiewolf · Post by **Motsiewolf** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 4:57 pm

Ookami-kun wrote:You guys should read Fables in the concept of werewolf babies.

-> [spoiler]In some time later, Wolf and Snow White have seven cubs. All six are werewolves while the last one isn't. The babies themselves can turn into wolf or gestalt forms uncontrollably, but fear/surprise/anger/emotions can trigger the change (which will be shown later on).[/spoiler]

I like that concept. Of about the emotions. That is somewhat deplicted in Kelley Armastrong's werewolf novels, too.

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:43 pm

Two words. Breast feeding.

"OW! OW! OW! Owwww! Teeth....SHARP LITTLE TEETH!!!!"

Motsiewolf · Post by **Motsiewolf** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:33 pm

This thread's name should be changed to "babies jokes"

WerewolfKeeper3 · Post by **WerewolfKeeper3** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:57 pm

Okay
(two words: Terrible twos.

)

Fyriewolf · Post by **Fyriewolf** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:34 am

OKAY SULLIVAN,
u wnat 2 make fun of twin wolves then mayb u should ask me and Watriewolf 2 have a fight 4 making fun of us and other twin wolves.

for duck in mouth. us=wolve u=duck.

Motsiewolf · Post by **Motsiewolf** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 3:31 pm

Fyriewolf wrote:OKAY SULLIVAN,
u wnat 2 make fun of twin wolves then mayb u should ask me and Watriewolf 2 have a fight 4 making fun of us and other twin wolves. for duck in mouth. us=wolve u=duck.

I don't think they know you are twins. But the jokes are funny, so don't diss em! I should use them on you two more often

. You need to make your threats more clear too.

But that makes me think. It makes sense that twins would occur and they would occur more often, right? Like wolves. Cause wolves have more than one offspring in a litter, so, would a werewolf be more like wolves or more like humans and normally have one at a time? Hmm. Then, how long would the pregnancy be? Or have we broached these topics already? I'm lost!

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:31 pm

That's how it works in the Camp Lycanthrope universe. It's almost always twins or triplets...or higher.

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