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Hey, I've wondered about this for a long time, when I see furry artwork/stuff , I sometimes see them holding flags that look communistic or say things like yiffism.

The Question from me, The Packs minor Commenter is, are furry's generally intended to be seen as communist like. ?

Um...no. One is not a communist simply because they like anthropomorphic animals.

And now I have to ask...do you even know what the word "yiff" means?

And now I have to ask...do you even know what the word "yiff" means?[/quote]

Yes it's the furry term for mass sexual intercourse, seemed also to be a state symbol of worship, involving 2 or more furry's, I had the impression that they, the creatures themselves are far left thinking and tend to be communistic, as I've seen many references to communism with furrys.

That's what I've come to understand.

You must be looking at different things than I have, because I haven't seen anything that would suggest that.

John Wolf wrote:Hey, I've wondered about this for a long time, when I see furry artwork/stuff , I sometimes see them holding flags that look communistic or say things like yiffism.

The Question from me, The Packs minor Commenter is, are furry's generally intended to be seen as communist like. ?

I've seen Nazi Furries (and... porn of such (if you care why, well, some people realize it's a good way to troll)) but that doesn't make furries Nazis (which ...makes sense. Nazis would throw them in a concentration camp so hard it'd make their head spin). It's just some furry artist (or artists) combining their furry fandom with something else either because a belief in it, or for humor ("Yiffism" is likely humor).

But I don't know where you see all this communistic furry artwork. I've seen, like, as grand total of one thing like that.

Yes it's the furry term for mass sexual intercourse, seemed also to be a state symbol of worship, involving 2 or more furry's, I had the impression that they, the creatures themselves are far left thinking and tend to be communistic, as I've seen many

Yiff is more or less the furry term for sex in general. It's like the "F word" except it's never used insultingly (no "Yiff you, you motheryiffing, yiffer!"). No more, no less.

John Wolf wrote:Yes it's the furry term for mass sexual intercourse

No, it just means anything that is sexual (or even just plain sensual) in general. I don't know where you got the "mass" part, and I don't care to know either.

Furry isn't affiliated with any specific political viewpoints, but the environment is a critical issue for a lot of furries, so the furry spectrum is at least slightly to the left. Being a furry only makes you a commie in the eyes of far-to-the-right hatemongers.

*raises a paw*

I just want to make a note that there are a lot of us who don't yiff.

There are plenty of clean furs out there, you just have to know where to look. (we tend to seperate ourselves from the more...unpleasant groups)

o boy time to enter the debate bunker
(J/KP

Battlestation!! j/k I think this is something that everyone can agree here.

From observation at a distance... I think if furries would congregate in any part of the political spectrum, it would be at the libertarian end, not the authoritarian end where extremes of left (Communism) and right (Nazism) collide.

My reasoning for this is... I don't see furries try to impose their views on anyone else, even the weirdest things I've heard still just go on between consenting adults in (more or less) private.

Set wrote:And now I have to ask...do you even know what the word "yiff" means?

In traditional natural science, "Yiff" is the term used to describe the play fighting young predator animals participate in, thus teaching them the basics of hunting prey.

Furry fandom took the word and distorted it's meaning. To a furry, "Yiff" is the act of sexual conduct. I have a few zooligist friends that dislike the missuse of the word. I can agree that it is disappointing to see vocabulary altered in such a way.

I don't know any furries who yiff. It is no different however to there being other groups of people who may be of different religions, interests or might be into porn and some other dirty things. Furries have things in common: Some might fursuit (Build a costume), and all have a fursona (Ask Pariah for more info on that, I'm not a furry so I can't claim to know everything or anything). After that, they branch into their own interests, just like any other group of people.

That's like saying Germans are all Nazi's. Or all Australians are beer drinkers (Okay I'm a confessed beer and alcohol lover). Or all Americans are pro war, or all metal music fans wear black makeup and black clothes.

Okay I've lost myself.

What I dislike about the furry fandom is that they claim alot of thing as their catagory. Like Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck, I refuse to see those classic characters as furry, it just doesnt seem right at all. And some of them also call werewolves a furry aswell, even dragons. I dont like that at all. If it was up to me I would ban the term furry and and the misuse of the word yiff and we will just simply call them cartoons or pornographic cartoons.

NOTE: What I just said is not for debate. I just feel like I should post my oppinion.

Midnight wrote:I don't see furries try to impose their views on anyone else, even the weirdest things I've heard still just go on between consenting adults in (more or less) private.

It's rare, but it does happen. The most common example is the verbal war between "furverts" (who insist that furry is 100% fetish) and "burned furs" (who insist that furry is 0% fetish). Every now and then, however, you do get some opinionated rants, especially when it comes to topics like environmentalism, hunting, or sometimes even the human race in general (I can't go through a month without at least one fur saying "kill all humans" or something to that extent it seems).

Furries are subject to heaps of ridicule from many different sources, so the majority of furries are respectful enough. Note that I said the majority, not the entirety.

John Wolf wrote:Hey, I've wondered about this for a long time, when I see furry artwork/stuff , I sometimes see them holding flags that look communistic or say things like yiffism.

The Question from me, The Packs minor Commenter is, are furry's generally intended to be seen as communist like. ?

Im no commie!!

Ok, stop right here and pay attention folks.

This thread has the potential to become a flaming debate. Everyone do your best to keep things calm and peaceful, and watch what you say.

Terastas wrote:

Midnight wrote:I don't see furries try to impose their views on anyone else, even the weirdest things I've heard still just go on between consenting adults in (more or less) private.

It's rare, but it does happen. The most common example is the verbal war between "furverts" (who insist that furry is 100% fetish) and "burned furs" (who insist that furry is 0% fetish). Every now and then, however, you do get some opinionated rants, especially when it comes to topics like environmentalism, hunting, or sometimes even the human race in general (I can't go through a month without at least one fur saying "kill all humans" or something to that extent it seems).

There's a bit of a difference between a rant (which I can happily ignore) and the behaviour of certain groups, particularly religious ones... the sort of people who happily wake me up at the crack of dawn on my day off trying to sell me their door-to-door religion, or the sort of people who enact laws which tell me what I can or can't do just because of it being a certain day of the week (or day of the year). That's what I meant by "impose their views".

Midnight wrote:There's a bit of a difference between a rant (which I can happily ignore) and the behaviour of certain groups, particularly religious ones... the sort of people who happily wake me up at the crack of dawn on my day off trying to sell me their door-to-door religion, or the sort of people who enact laws which tell me what I can or can't do just because of it being a certain day of the week (or day of the year). That's what I meant by "impose their views".

*nods* It's rare for a furry to try and force his/her views on someone, but it does happen. Most often it's when they try to force their definition of the fandom as I described above.

And I hate to sound like a commie bastard, but you guys really shouldn't knock communism too much because it's never actually been tried. The Soviet Union, China and Cuba were all socialist states, and socialism is basically just a fancy term for fascism.

Well I think that most of the problem is that non-furs think that when a furry calls a werewolf or a cartoon character "furry" that everyone else is supposed to think of it in the same way.
Most furries don't care if you think a character is furry or not, when we say something is furry, depending on who you're talking to, most of the time that person just means that the given character fits the fandom. That doesn't mean that you have to think of them that way, just that that individual does. If that makes any sense.

Dunno if anybody read my post (Probably not), but as I said, all groups, whether furries, religious groups or music groups etc, have a few things in common and then deviate from that.

It's like how when people find out I don't eat meat, they bash me. (Verbally) and then assume I am going to spend my days debating about it and being absolutely aggressive.

Other vegetarians who do this, have given me a bad name. We all have our opinions. It's how they are expressed that matters. People ask me why I don't eat it, I tell them it's because of ethics, and they ask for more info...I explain, without attacking anybody, and they immedietely assume I'm attacking them.

Therefore I have a bad label already. Without ever having attacked anybody. It is the same for furries. There are idiots in every group.

This doesn't have to become a flame war. I hate those. Yech.

For some reason, most furries lean towards the extreme left...probably because there areso many gay furries out there. But yes, i have noticed a distinct anti-right wing and at times, a fascination with nazis...more than anything else.

Move too far to the left, you're a tree hugging hippy communist leftist revolutionary. Move to far to the right, and you're a right wing religo intolerant war mongerer.

PFFT.

Both sides have good things about them. Furries, as a rule, seem to thrive on a sort of "THE-RULES-DON'T-APPLY-TO-ME" philosophy, not necessarily a political one. That's potentially the reason many furs call non furries "mundane"

Well to be honest, i find a lot of that kind of behavior repellant and rude. It's the reason i don't JUST hang out with furries. Because I find a lot of their personal behavior reckless. Plus, i like things that for some reason, furries find boring or "too traditional" Like...sports....and people having the right to smoke.....and dirty jokes. ( we've gotten way too PC in this country ) Don Imus, anyone?

And to be fair, I find people who say bad things about furries 100% of the timeto be ignorant. But i am somewhat a furry person, and I was raised catholic. Thus, many of my behavior and philosophy are conservative, like my stance on illegal immigration. And yet, I also believe in left wing causes, like an end to unnecessary war, civil rights ( without going overboard to service foreigners ) and preserving abortion ( Hey, this country already has 300 million people. Just wait until abortion is outlawed and we have another million or so unwanted children roaming the streets.

*pant pant*

As for callingcartoon characters furry, it offends me. Or, if someone calls CAMP LYCANTHROPE a furry movie. Why, you might ask?

Well, it's mostly because I went to animation school, where my teachers taught me to dislike furry art and to separate it from creating art for the general public ( for mass entertainment ) And I am GRATEFUL for that. Not because I dislike fur art, but because I want to be able to know what the general public likes and would want to see. After all...furries make up less than one-half of 1/3 of a percent of the world's population. I simply don't have the interest in creating furry material for such a SMALL AUDIENCE.

So, in my mind, furry art is "yiff" material. Sexy on purpose, or meant to stimulate anyone who likes this sort of thing. ANIMATION ART, on the other hand ( even if it's an animal character ) is NOT furry art, in my mind. It's just a ANIMATED character.

-Raises a hand-

Am I the only one here who heard of furries last year or something? I don't exactly remember when, but it was very recently!

Perhaps my views are ignorant because of this. -Shrugs- I'm just trying to take the middle ground.

MattSullivan wrote: As for callingcartoon characters furry, it offends me. Or, if someone calls CAMP LYCANTHROPE a furry movie. Why, you might ask?

MattSullivan wrote: So, in my mind, furry art is "yiff" material. Sexy on purpose, or meant to stimulate anyone who likes this sort of thing. ANIMATION ART, on the other hand ( even if it's an animal character ) is NOT furry art, in my mind. It's just a ANIMATED character.

Matt- to be honest, it offends me that you lump all furry art into "yiff". You know me. You know I don't do that, is my art nothing but yiff to you?

And I hate to sound like a commie bastard, but you guys really shouldn't knock communism too much because it's never actually been tried. The Soviet Union, China and Cuba were all socialist states, and socialism is basically just a fancy term for fascism.[/quote]

That sounds like leninist witchcraft to me.

Lenin belived in this absolute communism, the type you are implying to, your not the first person I've heard talking about this. However by the time Lenin died he had ordered thousands to be put to death, anti communists, religious people and independanist russian peasants.

I'll take my chance with Capitalism any time. commies are just that, commie bastards.

Honestly, Furry Fandom was not conceived out of any form of governmental or religious views, nor does it have any such connection. It's just a fan base. If the majority of members of the fandom are of a particular group (communist/ democratic, what have you) it is easy to see why people might associate one with the other. This really isn't the case, and I seriously cannot see why this subject was even considered a valid discussion. Makes no sense, and the obvious answer to the threads question is more than likely "no".

Communism = form of governmental rule where all people make the same amount of money from the government regardless of their job, and share resources equally. Can also be partially democratic in how officials are elected.

Furries = a fandom based around anthropomorphic creatures.

Just WHAT do the two have in common? Please tell me, because I don't see any similarities.