Why does religion hate sex?

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Sun May 20, 2007 10:58 pm

I mean, I know I'm gonna stir up a lot of controversy, but isn't it true? That's why the religosos hate birth control and porn, because they hate sex. And it's a mystery why religion does this, seeing as as long as it's not rape or the woman gets pregnant it is not hurting anybody, and therefore probably shouldn't be considered to be a sin.

Please discuss this and/or flame me to death for bringing this up.

PS. No, I am not an athiest. I consider myself either a deist or an agnostic.

Timber-WoIf · Post by **Timber-WoIf** » Sun May 20, 2007 11:04 pm

its kinda an evolutionary thing methinks. Many human societies (most i'd think) have no need to rapidly reproduce, and sex can spread disease. Also, too much offspring can create too great a demand for basic living needs, like food, or fuel. Way back when, anyway, food wasn't as easily produced, and protected sex wuznt realy possible, so if there wuz alot of offspring it would damage a society. Just my guess.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Sun May 20, 2007 11:29 pm

This thread, from the start, has the potential to become a heated debate. Who else here thinks we should lock it? -_- We've had some bad occurances on the forum lately involving religous debates. I'll leave this thread alone IF you guys can avoid saying anything that could be taken as an insult towards someone's religion. That's how wars start... so keep things to the point. Rule of thumb...

If your opinion involves disproving other people's beleifs, keep it to yourself. Rather, just post what YOUR religon (or Atheism) says about the subject.

In Christianity, sex isn't a crime... if it's with your wife. Abstanence before marrage has one major reason. If you have sex with many women before your wife, the sexual experiance with your wife will be less enjoyable, and not as special. If your wife is the ONLY woman you have every been with, ever time will be cherished. You wont have previous women to compare her to in that regards, and that's a good thing. Same goes for the ladies. It a way it's not about the physical experiance, but the emotional and psychological aftermath.

God (according to Christianity) gave us the ability to have sex and reproduce, and he also made it to be an enjoyable experiance. Since he created the concept of sex, beleivers trust that he knows what he's talking about.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Sun May 20, 2007 11:33 pm

'cause sex is grody!

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Sun May 20, 2007 11:35 pm

Your joking, right? I don't imagine anyone could possibly dislike sex. Er... nevermind, don't answer that, because my question sounds creepy.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Sun May 20, 2007 11:39 pm

Don't mind me, I just have phobias.

Hamster · Post by **Hamster** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:40 am

cuz day haet t!ngs d4t r fun!!one!!1

Short Tail · Post by **Short Tail** » Mon May 21, 2007 1:07 am

Hamster wrote:cuz day haet t!ngs d4t r fun!!one!!1

HAMSTER!!! I haven't seen you in forever!

Anyway, Christianity is not anti sex, they just believe that sex is an act that should only occur between a married couple for the purpose of procreation (depending on the denomination).

Miragh · Post by **Miragh** » Mon May 21, 2007 7:42 am

life and think for yourself
that's all religion one needs.

I see no use in it, other than to hold people to ancient ideals that serve no purpose other then to keep them away from issues of progress and change that scare those in power.

Who has the best imaginary friend?

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Mon May 21, 2007 9:15 am

Miragh wrote:life and think for yourself
that's all religion one needs.

I see no use in it, other than to hold people to ancient ideals that serve no purpose other then to keep them away from issues of progress and change that scare those in power.

Who has the best imaginary friend?

OHH! OOH! MEMEMEEE!
*waves a paw wildly*

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:34 am

Might I remind you all, stay on topic. This is about sex in the views of religon. I'm deleting offensive posts.

Anubis · Post by **Anubis** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:04 pm

Dreamer wrote:I mean, I know I'm gonna stir up a lot of controversy, but isn't it true? That's why the religions hate birth control and porn, because they hate sex. And it's a mystery why religion does this, seeing as as long as it's not rape or the woman gets pregnant it is not hurting anybody, and therefore probably shouldn't be considered to be a sin.

Please discuss this and/or flame me to death for bringing this up.

PS. No, I am not an atheist. I consider myself either a deist or an agnostic.

Well I think it's not that religions hate sex but i think they consider sacred. Like in my faith of Mormonism. We don't hate sex, we think its extremely sacred, because god gave us this gift to do what he does... to create life.

And masturbation, homosexuality, and sex out side of marriage is looked down upon because it defiles it, and makes this gift look trivial. The reasons Mormonism don't like these are the following.

Masturbation and porn ruins families, and also makes people not able to have a normal relationship with the opposite sex.

Homosexuality (white paw and our other resident gays, I'm only explaining the views of my church and I'm sorry if i hurt any feelings) is viewed as a crime against nature, because god didn't intend for two men or women to have those kind of intimate relationships, and nothing can ever come from it. Also it prevents the formation of a family, that god sent us to do.

Casual sex, is looked down upon because not only it spreads STDs, also it's not fair for your future spouse.

And on birth control, my church discourages it, but doesn't ban it. Because my faith is really big on families, and birth control prevents children form being born, and there fore no family. But they allow you to use it if circumstances aren't right for bringing a child in the world. Such as when your financial situation is bad enough that you can't take care of a child.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:15 pm

That's a good way to put it Anubis. Sex is sacred.

Set · Post by **Set** » Mon May 21, 2007 2:30 pm

As long as you can pop out babies and produce more people to give the church money, it's ok.

If not, then you're a sinner. Shame on you.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Mon May 21, 2007 2:35 pm

I seriously don't see any connection between sex and corruption in churches. (Excluding the Catholic preist sex scandals.)

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Mon May 21, 2007 2:41 pm

ANubis puts it pretty well.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:10 pm

For once I agree with Anubis.

Teh_DarkJokerWolf · Post by **Teh_DarkJokerWolf** » Mon May 21, 2007 4:35 pm

I agree with some points anubis said..However the world is filled with humans...overflowing it would seem even.

Look how many children have no mom or dad, what about them? I would see god as happy for anyone who would be in a same sex, just because alot of these folks adopt..Hell I had considered adopting kids, because that's something I always thought of doing..I love kids really an I think the ones who have nuthing deserve to have something..You don't need sex to adopt kids, they are there an sad an need love..*shrugs* I dunno..I think the world does focus too much on sex at times/most of the time..Not that it's a bad thing sometimes

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Mon May 21, 2007 7:04 pm

I seem to remember that in the early 80's when AIDS first appeared, many on the religioous ( right wing ) side would scream about how it was a punishment for gay people, because it first appeared in gay men. And as time went on and it became apparent that heterosexuals could contract the virus, they then claimed that gay people had "ruined the sex lives of normal people"

I'm not kidding. I remember this. They haven't stopped complaining about "immoral behavior" since.

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Mon May 21, 2007 9:23 pm

Not all religions are "omg, that's bad!" with alot of parts of sex. A friend of mine once talked about one (can't recall the name, sadly) where women would spend a certain period of time in there life serving as sorts of sacred prostitutes at the local temple.

This was, mind you, an ancient kind of religion. On the scale of Aztec, Greek, Egyptian, etc. Not exactly a "newer" (relatively speaking) one like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. But, it's still something that happened. I imagine the Roman religion before the rise of Christianity wasn't too tight on rules about sex what with the orgies Romans like to have.

Different religions worked differently, I guess. It's just that right now, most major ones stem directly from the "One God" idea and most from the same root Judaism and Christianity sprung from, or are at least similar enough. Thusly the same ideas on things like sex transfered.

Morkulv · Post by **Morkulv** » Mon May 21, 2007 9:57 pm

Sorry about my last (deleted) post.

Today I saw this video (unrelated to sex, but to religion) about the band Akercocke who will probably get banned in Ireland for having Satanic lyric-themes. The band did a interview on the Irish BBC-channel, and this is the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl9oM4f1xdQ

Warning: the debate on the video gets a little out of hand (mild offensive language).

Enjoy.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Tue May 22, 2007 7:06 pm

Kaebora wrote:Your joking, right? I don't imagine anyone could possibly dislike sex. Er... nevermind, don't answer that, because my question sounds creepy.

I despise the concept of "Recreational Sex".

Historically, it leads generation after generation of humans to behave badly, and treat each other poorly based on sex-appeal, performance, and over-willingness or lack-of to participate in it.

Recreational Sex makes people act dangerously stupid.

Sex is for making and raising Babies. When that is the goal and the outcome, it is a Beautiful thing.

But, if you are not intending to make, and/or properly raise a child, I agree with the attitude of most religions in that, you should just not do it. IMHO

I take no commands from any religion, but I choose to remain abstinent for my own reasons.

I think some religions hate sex for most of the same reasons I do. I do not doubt or deny how good it feels. I just can't believe it could possibly be worth all the Pain and Suffering the Human race gives itself over it. ...again, IMHO.

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Tue May 22, 2007 7:58 pm

Vuldari wrote: I despise the concept of "Recreational Sex".
Historically, it leads generation after generation of humans to behave badly, and treat each other poorly based on sex-appeal, performance, and over-willingness or lack-of to participate in it.

The same can be said of sports and other recreational activities. Ex. The nerd who's harassed for his poor athletic performance is pretty common occurance. Not to mention other recreational things like, say, Video games. Anyone who's played at least one game online has more than likely caught flak for either being too good and pissing someone off, or sucking and pissing someone off.

Recreational Sex makes people act dangerously stupid.

Again, there's a parallel to my sports example. Sports makes grown men paint themselves half-blue and go out shirtless on a cold winter's day and other such wacky s***. People are just prone to dangerous stupidity in general.

Sex is for making and raising Babies. When that is the goal and the outcome, it is a Beautiful thing.

'cept when it's between two of the same sex.

I think some religions hate sex for most of the same reasons I do. I do not doubt or deny how good it feels. I just can't believe it could possibly be worth all the Pain and Suffering the Human race gives itself over it. ...again, IMHO.

People die over football (that is, the kind Americans call "soccer") because Europeans tend to be a bit, erm, passionate about the sport. Does that mean Football/soccer shouldn't be played? I don't think so and I think the same applies to sex.

IMO, just because something can be abused doesn't mean it's bad. It means the people abusing it are bad.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:10 pm

Aki wrote: It means the people abusing it are bad.

I think a more accurate statement would be, "The People abusing it are behaving Bad" ... not that they ARE bad.

A single action, even repeated, does not define an entire persons Good/Evil Polarity.

But yes...I agree.

...however, I suspect that our opinions of what counts as "Abuse" of the act, vary considerably.

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:27 pm

Vuldari wrote:
Aki wrote: It means the people abusing it are bad.
I think a more accurate statement would be, "The People abusing it are behaving Bad" ... not that they ARE bad.

A single action, even repeated, does not define an entire persons Good/Evil Polarity.

But yes...I agree.

...however, I suspect that our opinions of what counts as "Abuse" of the act, vary considerably.

Yeah, I probably should've written that a bit more accurately.

And I wouldn't doubt our definitions of what would be abuse vary considerably. Such is usually true of two individuals of different background, age, experience, etc. all.

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