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RedEye wrote:Here's another concept for partial shifting: Panic.

Essentially, the Human gets really frightened, to the point that instinct takes over.
The Shift then occurs, but only enough to get the Shiftee's body the heck out of there. There is only enough time for a partial shift, just enough to improve survival during a freakout.
That's dangerous. The Werewolf could be recognized, as not all of the body becomes Homo Lupus-just enough to survive. Clothing would be recognizable, and maybe even features on the face could be recognized although distorted.
You aren't going to talk your way out of that one. No chance, baby.
Once in a "safe" place, the Shift completes itself, creating the classic Werewolf...whose secret is now anything but a secret.
So, next time you come across a Werewolf bashing its head against a wall, you'll know why.

If I would suddenly transform partially I would be like, "damn, my bro is gonna be jealous when he sees this!"

RedEye wrote:Okay: There is a Werewolf that is for some reason crawling toward me. Said wulf is shifting, partway through. This is a wulf in Trouble!

So: I'd cover them with a blanket, to keep the curious away, or cover them with my duster or my coat. I've given them privacy, a measure of safety, protection. If they can communicate, they may verbalize what's wrong. If not, I've still protected them, and given them a chance to complete their shift.
Even a wolf can understand that.

I happen to support Werewolves, by the way...

What if the wrewolf doesn't support humans

After you helped him out, "thanks", and bites your throat out

Did I say I'd hang around? Puh-leeeeze!

It would be readily apparent if the Werewolf were hostile or not. A Hostile one isn't likely to be crawling toward me, for one. He is gonna hide until he's done, and by then I'm long gone.

The "crawling toward" would indicate said Were saw humans as Aid- Givers, not food. If said Wulf did think I was lunch, it'd be pretty obvious as I approached. Then the cover would hide my departure.

I'm DUM, but I ain't Stoopid....

I have noted the repeated mention of helplessness during 'the change'.

This does in fact make sense.

Now, let us consider, wolves are very social. And being so there are social interdependencies and levels of trust that are incorporated into the individuals as members of a pack.

Their personality is not simply as individuals, but as parts of the pack and of each other.

I should not be surprised if they are also fiercely protective of one another.

The have common bonds and they share common weaknesses.

So what would I expect ? I would anticipate that werewolves would guard one another as they take turns changing. That in fact as social creatures, the very least time they would hide from one another would be when they MOST need each other. To be guarded and protected when they are at their most defenseless. As defenseless as newborn cubs. And wolves ARE protective of cubs.

So physically and metaphorically and philosophically speaking, they are being reborn every time they change, ne ?

Hi im a newbie here and i was hoping that i could put what ever i had of worth on the table......

I agree with the bit on the wolfs genaruly being pack creatures and taking care of pups, and ya if was a werewolf, and i do wish i was one, i would protect my packmates and fight in hope that they survive so they can save me from the attacker

You can burn me all you want, i have my own pack and we wont burn you, will just hunt you down and grind you into the ground
Happy days when you have a pack

Welcome

No one would ever burn you here, matey. Well, maybe RedEye's fireplace

And back to topic, well, I saw some pictures on Wikipedia of wolves packs and when they are walking the Alpha is always leading and the Omega is way behind the whole pack so, maybe they change also in this order but who would help the omega?

Anyway, I doubt they'd help him, seeing how bad they are threated.

That is true, who would help the omega, ps im not quoting because i dont know how..... i bet with werewolfs, maybe the alpha, because with human instincs plus wolf, the alpha would want to be alpha and would help the omega so the omega likes him and doesnt challenge him for title. Sorta like the way kings in the middle ages in europe acted, i save you u be my slave.
No one will burn me here? Really? wow this has to be the first forum i've found where someone wont get burned. This place Must rock then

And just a ramdom thought.... Do werewolfs like music in wolf form? what about rock, i wouldent think so, but what do u think?

Snay Fell

L. David Mech a pre-eminent and world recognized expert on wolf behaviour has in recent years, together with other wolf experts learned a lot about wolves and pack behavior that goes against conventionally accepted wisdom.

Among them that the individual generally referred to in wolf packs as the Omega, is a much more important member of the pack than previously recognized. In fact, sufficiently so that there are instances of Omega's advancing directly to top position in the pack without any of the intermediate process of stairstepping through the ranks of the pack.

I think intelligent packs are going to look after all of their own if it is within their ability.

Family is family.

The outmoded notion of "Alpha"

Well, now that I think it twice, changing in order of rank would be kind of stupid. I'd be such a funny situation to find a member missing, the bottom ones wouldn't be able to change!

And, face it; the Omega knows all the dirt on all the other pack members.
So of course he gets to the top, without having to fight anyone...all he'd have to do is mention that time when...

Organizatin of Wolf Society

However, notwithstanding improved understanding of real wolves in the wild, that does not truly bind or constrain what might result from the hybridization that a werewolf in many respects represents.

The society created by such a melding of cultures and inclinations might show aspects of both associated cultures and their instinct sets. Further it may also contain some behavioral sports or anomalies that may be unique to this hybrid species.

I my family my dad and mom say im an omega because im calm and not willing to fight like my brother Sean.
but according to Blue-eyes-in-the-dark i would be considered a werewolf trusty because i know lots about them adn will keep everything safe from the humans.

you forgot to mention that you wouldn't be a werewolf but infact, a highly trusted friend of werewolves for in your case you would be possably lawenforcement or any person with ties in positions where you would be able to cover-up any situations where a lycan would have been exposed.

that is true however i will find a way to become a lycan oneway or another.

I would suppose on the original question as to whether the werewolf in question was what I refer to as a "freeshifter" or a "lunar" Of course a freeshifter would be in control of when and where they changed, and a lunar would not necessarily have control over this. If the Lunar was forced to change due to the moons cycle, the change could occur anywhere, but I would guess that they'd tend to isolate themself prior to changing. With a free shifter. I would imagine that they would only change with persons they trusted intimately, otherwise I should think that they'd be alone for it. So in a pack situation, I guess it would depend on the individuals within the pack as to whether or not they stuck together or separated.

how true indeed.

Another consideration: During the shift, you are going to look really weird, as in funny-weird.
People will point and snicker.
Hence, Werewolves got the reputation of being mad killing machines, when they were really only getting theirs back...

I would have to agree with a lot of you, it would depend on what "rules" or "methods" they go by during the shift/ change. If they want privacy or not is all up to them.

P.S. Kelly Armstrong is one of the best writers ever, next to Michael Crichton.

i have to agree with ya there

i aree too. ww's have the option of changing/shifting in front of people if they want to. i would think ww's would see that shifting is a natural thing to do, its no sin to change shapes in front of another of the same kind.

I keep seeign it mentioned that werewolf transformations keep the werewolf immobilized. From everything I've seen in movies the werewolf transformation is violent and spastic. A convulsing, epileptic act. And if someone were to get to close to the werewolf that person could be grabbed, slashed or bitten.
I would think that a werewolf would keep their transformations private so as to keep from the world at large from wanting to disect, destroy or exploit them. Not to mention to keep form killing a human being.

well out of all of the movies I have seen ww have transformed in fron tof humans but the humans referred them as huge dogs. Like the book Blood and Chocolate. that is the same thing that I am trying to explain to ya.

right, its also like bitten or broken when the ww's are aways beleived to be giant dogs with wolfish like charaturisticks. yah in blood and cholcolat that was a good way to discribe the ww's. some of the people/humans that saw a tranfomation are probebly people that they love and care for, so they let them see them then if they have to they eather change them or kill them(only those who realy care change them).

IMO, the only reasons werewolves would care about privacy when shifting is if they risk being discovered by people who don't already know what they are. Otherwise, they'd shift in front of other werewolves, no big deal.

WereWolfBoy wrote:that is true however i will find a way to become a lycan oneway or another.

ok.... umm ... WHAT?

ive been rummaging through my bros biology books .... (again)

and ive seen nothing supporting a change as major as that in there except .... you know... ... but then again i didn't really look that hard....

so then i had to figure it out with my head and the only solution ive come up with was injecting yourself with wolf hormones....

mostly growth hormone... bit the way ive figured it it if you use it for a year you would look maybe like one of the hollywood 1980's werewolf's.... so... meh..


also GHETTO FABULOUS... i just had to say that ^.^