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If people who STILL think that you can appease muslims, accommodate them, deal with them, live with them..here we go AGAIN. More flap over so-called "offensive" cartoons.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7247817.stm

What scares me most is the quote about how "freedom of expression is like a plague"

of course those guys complained there radicals, but if you actually looking into more detail you would read the part where real Muslims and not those fanatical assholes make a statement

Some Danish Muslims said they felt the problem was not the Danish people who were, if not well informed about Islam, at least generally liberal.

Instead, they pointed the finger of blame at the Danish media, saying it had stirred controversy instead of trying to help mend community relations

not all Muslims are bad, Matt, we have a Muslim on this board too and he hasn't try to preach any thing to us, so let it go

The problem is though (as always) that the squeaky wheel is the one you hear. The other, quiet ones, are ignored. Why? They aren't squeaking!

There are just as many Chr***ians who will make a similar flap, given the opportunity. It isn't the religion; it's the people IN the religion.

One has to question the intelligence of those protesters though; it's as if they want some sort of reaction to justify themselves as something other than noisemakers. Every religion I've studied has some basic "Manners" proverbs somewhere. These people are being deliberately rude.
And I've noted that "Offensiveness", like Beauty, is often in the eye of the beholder.

I'd put the blame more on fanatics than on Muslims. Fanatics of what ever religion, doctrine or school of thought tend to be the trouble makers than the school of thought itself.

Of Muslims themselves, I've known too many in my life to think badly of them. Most are no diffrent from any other man or woman on the street.

Just an example of what I mean by fanatics. This little story about an irish pub getting complaints about it's antique Harp and Guiness signs being only in English in the province of Quebec. The article gives some other hairbrained complaints at the end.

As the only muslim in this board, i laugh at the face of those protesters. Their antics have just made them appear no different than to Fred Phelps.

Also, for all the documentary junkies out there, i'm sure you all remember this old muslim guy who has demonstrated all his life for some reason, and when he looked at the picture that instigated so many idiotic responses, he put on a WTF face and said "This can't be Muhammad. This looks more like an angry sikh with leprosy."

I don't care. I think all religion damages the world. I was just bringing up this one topic.

Not necessarily. Perversion may be apparent, but i'm always under the belief that real religion is a productive item that once outlived its purpose to give us imaginations. Nowadays, i think it's more appropriate that its use is to build up the generally positive aspects of faith, when deducting any kind of subtle brainwashing methods.

Well it doesn't appear to be working among your fellow muslims then.

Yeah, it isn't. Thankfully it hasn't affected all of them, otherwise, i would've been half-dead for rebelling in the first place.

ok....i don't think religion is necessarily a bad thing. It serves a function of instilling morals in society. This is a big reason for many religions existing in the first place...it's a deeper layer of "authority" to give people more of a reason to follow the rules, beyond the mere risk of being arrested and put in jail.

I mean, what better way to keep people under control than get them to believe they can be punished after death and for all eternity.

(I'm an agnostic by the way)

Having said that...it's not religion, but freaking stupid, selfish, barbaric PEOPLE who twist it and use it to do even more harm than they otherwise would be able to do.

In most cases religion isn't the culprit, it's the tool. If you took religion away, the same stupid people would find stupid ways to kill each other. If you put a homicidal maniac in a room with a knife, a gun, and a bottle full of poison, then take away the poison...he'll still have two other ways to kill someone. I trust you get the analogy.






However, it also depends on what morals a religion is instilling in people....unfortunately it can become warped past mere decency towards other people to more harmful things...

personally, if there is a god....he probably would tell us to stop wasting time worshiping him, leave him the heck alone, and stop killing each other.

They should make a cartoon of Muhammad with one teardrop in his eye as the radicals blow a building up or something along those lines. Though, I guess a political cartoon is supposed to funny. Maybe a cartoon of Muhammad torturing Osama?

You need to alienate the extremist not the Islamic Religion.

No, if someone makes that cartoon someone will strap a bum to his/her car

The problem as I understand it, isn't that Mohammad had a bomb in his turban. It was that it was suppose to be Mohammad period. Apparently in some of the more exacting sects even depicting the Prophet is a nono.

MattSullivan wrote:No, if someone makes that cartoon someone will strap a bomb to his/her car

Then you do it again. Keep in mind not at all in any form whatsoever is always an option as well.

Right but see, those NO_NO rules should only apply to muslims. They can't freak out because someone outside their religion does it. We are not slaves to their superstition.

In Saudi Arabia, a woman has been given the death sentence for charges of witchcraft.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Sa ... 42008.html

This is the stuff of the 16th century. It has no place in modern times. Five hundred years have taught us to move beyond killing people over "spectral evidence."

Cultural relativity has its limits. At some point, one must draw a line in the sand and say, "no further." There are basic, inherent, fundamental rights and truths to existence that transcend cultural barriers. If it is part of one's culture to beat women, molest children, or torture political opponents, then one's culture is fundamentally flawed and must be reformed. If a culture's religion is afraid of education, scientific knowledge, media, or criticism, then it is insecure in its ability to stand up to scrutiny, and this only serves to underscore the inescapable conclusion that ultimately, it is a dead end, and that to follow it further only serves to enslave the mind and rob people of free will.

Can your God not take a criticism? Is God not capable of standing up to a debate? Should a God who can create a universe have to be afraid of a journalist, philosopher, or the questions raised by the shapes buried in the rocks He creates? If we are to evolve as a people, then we must at least acknowledge that evolution is possible. If we are to move beyond the confines of our present affairs and solve the problems we have created, we must free and make available as many minds as we can. If a culture enslaves and suppresses fully half their population just because they are women, then that culture has already failed.

Scott Gardener wrote:In Saudi Arabia, a woman has been given the death sentence for charges of witchcraft.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Sa ... 42008.html

Deeply religious people-like the people who are blinded and dont see common sense-scare the absolute hell out of me.

And we can't "help Civilize them" because we need their oil...

RedEye wrote:And we can't "help Civilize them" because we need their oil...

well we can't give them money because they would use it for that oil, we can't change them military style(Iraq), and the methods of the UN don't seem to effect them, the only option is for the people in the nation to rise up and make a movement, peaceful hopefully

As long as Oil remains THE energy source, Saudi Arabia will stay a Theocratic Welfare State.

It's hard to get people to rise up against a government that gaurantees virtually everything for them, paid for by Oil revenue.

Perhaps they might "banish" her to someplace; like Switzerland. That'd work.

RedEye wrote:And we can't "help Civilize them" because we need their oil...

*ahem* Qatar, Kuwait and UAE are extremely wealthy and civilized arab nations due to oil. So rich that they make their practice of buying water commonplace.

FACT: Kuwait has the highest standard of living on Earth.

RedEye wrote:As long as Oil remains THE energy source, Saudi Arabia will stay a Theocratic Welfare State.

It's hard to get people to rise up against a government that gaurantees virtually everything for them, paid for by Oil revenue.

Perhaps they might "banish" her to someplace; like Switzerland. That'd work.

I know of a place that has TONS of oil!!

The problem is getting there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080213/ts ... itanenergy



All we need to do is have Exxon start building space tankers!!!

Man o man....I can see myself traveling through space just so you people can fill up at your nearest gas station.

Figarou wrote:

RedEye wrote:As long as Oil remains THE energy source, Saudi Arabia will stay a Theocratic Welfare State.

It's hard to get people to rise up against a government that gaurantees virtually everything for them, paid for by Oil revenue.

Perhaps they might "banish" her to someplace; like Switzerland. That'd work.

I know of a place that has TONS of oil!!

The problem is getting there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080213/ts ... itanenergy



All we need to do is have Exxon start building space tankers!!!

Man o man....I can see myself traveling through space just so you people can fill up at your nearest gas station.

You would be a Space Trucker!

cumulusprotagonist wrote:

Figarou wrote:

RedEye wrote:As long as Oil remains THE energy source, Saudi Arabia will stay a Theocratic Welfare State.

It's hard to get people to rise up against a government that gaurantees virtually everything for them, paid for by Oil revenue.

Perhaps they might "banish" her to someplace; like Switzerland. That'd work.

I know of a place that has TONS of oil!!

The problem is getting there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080213/ts ... itanenergy



All we need to do is have Exxon start building space tankers!!!

Man o man....I can see myself traveling through space just so you people can fill up at your nearest gas station.

You would be a Space Trucker!

Heh. Figarou, our resident Heavy Metal Queen (which is a Cowboy Bebop reference, not an insinuation about anything that should be personal or anything).