A debate on furries
Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:17 pm
Recently I got into a debate with this anti furry guy. I thought you would like to cast your views and see how me, and a friend did. I am Ciaran:
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: We will kill and rape you (in that order)
[03:51] Ciaran: I am already daed
[03:51] Ciaran: dead
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: So
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: we are raping you
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well
[03:51] Ciaran: You are raping a wolf
[03:51] //Friend - - <3: ... I finished we can stop
[03:51] //Friend - - <3: Hows the weather?
[03:51] Ciaran: OH MY f*** GOD STOP
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: omfg
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU f*** FURFAG
[03:51] Ciaran: XD
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: GET THE f*** OUT
[03:51] Ciaran: No
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: FURRY s***
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: BURN
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: f*** FURFAG
[03:51] Ciaran: I am not a furry b****
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: f*** FURRY
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: FURRY
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: FURRY
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU f*** DIE
[03:52] Ciaran: Antrhro
[03:52] Ciaran: XD
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU ARE s***
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: =)
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: XD
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: Dude I just like, f*** bubble drooled everywhere
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: SAME DIFFERENCE
[03:52] Ciaran: No.....
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: NOW GET THE f*** OUT
[03:52] Ciaran: No
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: SERIOUSLY
[03:52] Ciaran: I am not a furry. If you can not realise that then you need sleep.
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: *blows bubbles with drool*
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: got mud on your face
[03:53] Ciaran: I dont' wear a fursiut, I do not draw furry pics. I do not go to furry cons.
[03:53] Ciaran: I JUST may not be a furry. ;)
[03:53] Ciaran: Calm down dear
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: OKAY
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: WELL
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU STILL WANT TO BE AN ANIMAL
[03:53] Ciaran: I don't
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU PRETEND TO BE
[03:53] //Friend - - <3: booom cha booom
[03:53] //Friend - - <3: *totally oblivious*
[03:53] Ciaran: So much for any imagination.
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: IMAGINATION
[03:54] Ciaran: Yes
[03:54] Ciaran: I know it is not real.
[03:54] Ciaran: Get it?
[03:54] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YES. BUT STILL, SERIOUSLY MAN, YOU HAVE SOME PROBLEMS, IF YOU USE AN ALTERNATE PERSONA ONLINE, AND AND AND, ESPECIALLY IF ITS THAT OF AN ANIMAL
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: IT CLEARLY SHOWS YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH YOURSELF
[03:55] Ciaran: You could apply that to 65% of DA.
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: SO f*** OFF AND GET THEM SORTED OUT PLZ
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I DONT CARE.
[03:55] Ciaran: I don't care for what you say so no amount of spamming or shouting is going to make me leave.
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: SHOUTING
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: THIS IS TEXT
[03:55] //Friend - - <3: DA?
[03:56] Ciaran: Deviant Art
[03:56] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: THIS IS NOT SPAM EITHER
[03:56] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: IT IS ON TOPIC
[03:57] Ciaran: I see
[03:58] Ciaran: *TumbleweedU
[03:58] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Fail.
[03:58] Ciaran: ?
[03:59] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It is what you just did.
[03:59] Ciaran: *Wonders if you were from 4chan*
[03:59] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: How can anyone be "from" 4chan?
[03:59] Ciaran: Well dwell on the boards.
[03:59] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Unless the 4chan server started producing sperm I doubt anybody is actually a product of 4chan.
[04:00] Ciaran: Its a figure of speech.
[04:00] Ciaran: But thats a funny mental image
[04:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I prefer 7chan to 4chan
[04:00] Ciaran: Ahhh
[04:01] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: And 12chan when it existed.
[04:01] Ciaran: May I ask someting?
[04:01] Ciaran: something*
[04:01] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: No. You may not ask anything as any attempt to do so will be met by instant death.
</sarcasm>
[04:02] Ciaran: Why did you react like that?
[04:03] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: To what?
The question you just asked or something else?
[04:03] Ciaran: The reaction when I mentioned you were raping a wolf.
[04:03] Ciaran: You seem to go a bit....mad...
[04:04] Ciaran: :/
[04:04] //Friend - - <3: Umm, well guys, hate to just leave but ummm, urgent news brb
[04:04] Ciaran: kk
[04:05] *** //Friend - - <3 has left the conversation.
[04:06 Anti Furry Guy: Well. I think that it is ridiculous that you have such a huge problem with yourself that you feel the need to mask your real identity completely online.
[04:06] Ciaran: I am not
[04:06] Ciaran: You are hurling accusations at me and assuming who I am and what I do over one comment.
[04:06] Ciaran: I have no problem with myself.
[04:06] kat.fish@hotmail.co.uk: Of course you don't.
[04:07] Ciaran: Is that meant to be sarcasm?
[04:07] Anti Furry Guy Anybody who pretends to be a wolf online clearly has some kind of problem.
[04:07] Ciaran: Says you.
[04:07] Ciaran: If I were trying to pass myself out as one then yes but just playing around with a persona is in no way wrong or a sign of ill health
[04:07]Anti Furry Guy: Says psychiatry.
[04:08] Ciaran: Otherwise all RP's are f***.
[04:08] Ciaran: A lot of DA is f***.
[04:08] Anti Furry Guy: I don't care about DA and it's ridiculous userbase.
[04:08] Ciaran: Another genralzation.
[04:09] Anti Furry Guy: Overall the userbase of DA is ridiculous
[04:09] Ciaran: You are focusing one aspect.
[04:09] Anti Furry Guy: It was a genralization as it was not targetted at anyone nor anything. So you were just stating the obvious there.
[04:10] Ciaran: DA is Fur Affinty.
[04:10] Ciaran: Affinty*
[04:10] Ciaran: not*
[04:11 Anti Furry Guy]: I never said it was
[04:11] Anti Furry Guy :I said DA has a ridiculous userbase
[04:11] Ciaran: Why
[04:12] Ciaran: ?
[04:13] Anti Furry Guy: A lot of the users on there have posted almost nothing, a lot of them are horridly s*** at art, a lot of them are immature and young, a lot of the decent art is ignored, there is, of course the furfags on there too
[04:14]Anti Furry Guy: This wolf thing, if you do that online, then you clearly have a problem with your own personality in real life, or you are trying to escape your real life to a ridiculous extent...
[04:14] (Fellow Debater) has joined the conversation.
[04:15] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Oh and here comes the ninja.
[04:16] Fellow Debater: The ninja? Excuse me?
[04:16] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I've seen the picture.
[04:16] Fellow Debater: It was for halloween
[04:17] Ciaran: Ok,, for a start DA is can be for people who just like to see art. I admit it will be used as social networking to a certain extent. You can not force art onto people. Point two, just because people are s*** at art does not make it any higher or lower, plus everyone starts from somewhere and you can not change fans. You will get a lot of young people anywhere, deal with it. Finally you are actually one pathetic soul to act like a b/tard. Fur fags hm?
[04:18] Ciaran: Oh and I do not any real life problems so don't think you know a shred about me. I am not trying to escape from anything. I having fun and thats it.
[04:19] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: You don't get immature people everywhere, I tend to avoid places where they are as abundant as they are on DA.
[04:19] Ciaran: This is the f*** internet where any bastard can be on a computer and say their views.
[04:19] Ciaran: Some places will have them more then others but you wont have an imature free place
[04:20] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: That is ridiculous
[04:20] Ciaran: No it is not.
[04:20] Ciaran: Its human nature
[04:20] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I go to places that ban immature people and little kids
[04:20] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: So, I do go to immature free places.
[04:20] Ciaran: Ditto
[04:21] Ciaran: But they were immature before being banned right?
[04:21] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well then what is this: " you wont have an imature free place "
[04:21] Ciaran: Just beucase they were banned does not mean they did not grace where you go.
[04:21] Fellow Debater: People get around that, it's not hard to lie about your age
[04:21] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Not really. It's passworded so only those who are known can get in.
[04:22] Ciaran: Those do not make up the staple of the internet.
[04:22] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Screening process checks what they are like. Nobody immature gets a pass.
[04:22] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It's a public private.
[04:22] Ciaran: Nothing is 100% though
[04:22] Fellow Debater: immature is a point of view.
[04:22] Ciaran: What do you want of DA anyway? A purge?
[04:23] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well, you can tell if their balls have not dropped fairly easily on the ventrilo. So that helps a great deal.
I don't want anything of DA. I ignore it. I do not use it.
[04:24] Ciaran: This has gone off topic anyway.
[04:24] Fellow Debater: Immature and young are two different things.
[04:24] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: True, but age and maturity are closely related.
[04:24] Fellow Debater: Not really. I know people way older who are less mature than I am.
[04:25] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Are you honestly denying that age and maturity are not closely related?
Really now, that is a /very/ stupid statement.
[04:25] Fellow Debater: They may be a little, but age does not always equal maturity
[04:25] Ciaran: Which is what you are implying.
[04:25] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I never said it did, I said they are closely related
[04:26] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: An 8 year old will never be able to posess the level of maturity an 80 year old could.
[04:26] Ciaran: Leap of logic.
[04:26] Ciaran: You took it too the exetreme there.
[04:26] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: So, why is it that you are online at 4:27am Ciaran?
[04:27] Ciaran: Why is that you are online yourself? I am on for my own pleasure.
[04:27] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I have a sleeping disorder.
[04:27] Ciaran: I see
[04:28] Fellow Debater: More importantly, why does it matter why other people are online?
[04:28] Ciaran: But what has me going on at this time got to do with this debate?
[04:29] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Nothing. It was entirely off-topic.
[04:29] Ciaran: It just seemed a bit out of the blue thats all.
[04:29] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: The average 12 year old does not posess the same level of maturity that the average 16 year old will.
[04:29] Ciaran: The thing is I disliked your insulting reactions to furries which is why I called you a b/tard.
[04:29] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It's /b/
[04:29] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Not b/
[04:29] Ciaran: That vulgur phrase reminds me of them and their raids.
[04:30] Ciaran: I think they hit Wiki Fur a while ago.
[04:30] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I've only ever taken part in the raid on scientology.
[04:30] Ciaran: I am not sayingg all did.
[04:30] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I know.
[04:30] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I was clearing something up.
[04:31] Ciaran: I just really do not like that phrase.
[04:31] Ciaran: Why do you dislike furries anyway?
[04:31] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well, furries have a clear social disorder, psychiatry agrees
[04:31] Ciaran: How does that bother you?
[04:32] Ciaran: If I said I had a fetish for vore would that give me a clear social disorder/
[04:32] Ciaran: ?*
[04:32] Fellow Debater: If they have a disorder, it's not your concern.
[04:32] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I'm not concerned
[04:33] Fellow Debater: I mean, it's none of your business unless they force it on you
[04:33] Ciaran: But you told me to get out.
[04:33] Ciaran: I am not sure whether that was jokingly or not..
[04:33] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: That is not me showing concern, that is me showing disgust.
[04:33] Fellow Debater: If you don't like it, don't look or don't read.
[04:34] Ciaran: Each to their own I guess.
[04:35] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: http://www.surf-revolutions.com/images/ ... 4chanb.jpg
[04:36] Ciaran: What is this for?
[04:36] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: For entertainment and informative purposes I suppose.
[04:37] Ciaran: Ah.
[04:37] Ciaran: Btw, Well, furries have a clear social disorder, psychiatry agrees
[04:37] Ciaran: Any evidence on that?
[04:37] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I'm sorry, I don't have any sauce.
[04:38] Ciaran: Then your claim is not backed up.
[04:38] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I watched a documentary on it once a while ago.
Why don't you try searching around looking for a professional opinion on furfagism
[04:39] Ciaran: If you were mature enough you would stop calling them that.
[04:39] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It is a habit.
[04:39] Ciaran: Break it
[04:39] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Mesays (04:35):
Each to their own I guess.
[04:40] Ciaran: That was over you digust, not the naming.
[04:40] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It can be applied to this.
[04:40] Ciaran: It makes you look like arsehole.
[04:40] Ciaran: an*
[04:40] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Do I care on your opinion on me?
[04:41] Ciaran: No, I was mearly noting.
[04:41] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: about*
[04:41] Ciaran: But the burden of proof is on you.
[04:42] Ciaran: Not me, you find why it is a social disorder. You back up your claims if you can.
[04:42] Ciaran: Unless you just want to leave it as opinion
[04:43] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I would rather spend my time doing something more productive than searching google for an article on it.
[04:43] Ciaran: Then its the latter which is fine.
[04:44] Ciaran: It has been a good debate.
[04:44] Ciaran: Out of interest, how old are you?
[04:48] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1czzb6ofj0
Clearly abnormal behaviour.
[04:49] Ciaran: "I would rather spend my time doing something more productive than searching google for an article on it." Out of the window I assume.
[04:50] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I did not search for that.
It's on a forum I visit.
[04:50] Fellow Debater: If people want to act like cats, why does it matter? As long as it's not harming other people, no one has a right to complain.
[04:50] Ciaran: You taking the extreme of a group highlited though. You can not base the actions of a whole group on but a few.
[04:50] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: You think that is the extreme?
[04:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: The extreme is yiffing and porn.
[04:51] Ciaran: Is youtube a peer reviewed journal on medical behaviour?
[04:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Obviously not. Like I said I am not searching around for an article.
[04:52] Ciaran: The actions in that video are do not account for the whole furry spectrum.
[04:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Here is a comment on the video (Not on the youtube page)
WTF? You're a member of the smartest most resourceful species on Earth and instead you want to be an animal rolling around in the mud? Pitiful.
[04:52] Ciaran: By that logic, waving a controller around to move a virtual bat is pitiful.
[04:53] Fellow Debater: Or playing video games at all, for that matter.
[04:53] Ciaran: You or the commenter are not the decider of what is or what is not ptitiful.
[04:54] Ciaran: People will do a variety of things to furfill or entertain themselves. If you find that pitiful then tough luck on you.
[04:54] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Playing video games is entirely seperate, it's a way to have fun by challenging yourself on your thinking skills, hand eye co-ordination and other things, unless of course you play a game to role play on it
[04:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Personally I play games for income and fun of the challenge.
[04:56] Ciaran: You are always playing a role in video games no matter how disconnected or basic. People just play games to escape reality and relax and trust me. A lot of people play for that reason. Its called being immerserd in the game.
[04:56] Ciaran: You can not subscribe what your view of games are to everyone else though.
[04:56] Ciaran: As said people play for many reasons.
[04:57] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well, some people play to role play, others play for the fun that comes with the challenge
[04:57] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: If a game was without any challenge it would not be a game
[04:57] Ciaran: So video games ARE NOT entirely seperate
[04:58] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It depends on how you play them.
[04:58] Ciaran: But many people do not play just for challenge.
[04:58] Ciaran: How would story driven games work otherwise?
[04:59] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: If a story driven game had no challenge to it at all it would not be a game, more of an interactive movie
[04:59] Fellow Debater: Many people play games for story and challenge.
[04:59] Ciaran: But I am not saying that they do it for one or the other.
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Playing a game is about the challenge, without the challenge it is not really a game.
[05:00] Ciaran: It is not about the challenge.
[05:00] Ciaran: No one is arguing that it is not.
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It is not about the challenge.
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: xD
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Mesays (05:01):
It is not about the challenge.
Mesays (05:01):
No one is arguing that it is not.
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I cant believe that.
[05:01] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Are you stoned or something?
[05:01] Ciaran: Before you string that up I was focusing on that I was not trying to debate the challenge.
[05:01] Fellow Debater: Even if playing a game is about being challenged, you are still playing at being something you are not
[05:01] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Sure, but the difference is, you are not playing it for that.
[05:02] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: AND it is not brought into real life very often
[05:02] Ciaran: The point remains that people will do many things to entertain themselves.
[05:02] Fellow Debater: And it's no one's business except those doing it
[05:02] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Sure, pissing all over each other and having sex in animal costumes is a great, perfectly normal form of entertainment.
[05:02] Ciaran: Whether it is roll around in mud, play for both challenge and story. People get their kicks in different ways but its all for entertainment.
[05:03] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Yiffing is f*** disgusting. It happens at anthro conventions, and it is the reason I hate furfags.
[05:03] Ciaran: You are not complaining about BDSM.
[05:03] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Thats because its not on topic and hasnt been brought up
[05:03] Ciaran: Odd, I would not consider that NORMAL enterrtainment
[05:04] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It was sarcasm.
[05:04] Ciaran: Oh, and who gives you the righ to determine what is normal.
[05:04] Fellow Debater: And you are talking about extremes here. Not all people who roleplay animals online, or at conventions do that.
[05:04] Ciaran: Can I have another spoon fed youtube video that you found.
[05:04] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Definitions of normal on the Web:
* conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal; "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal ...
[05:05] Ciaran: So I assume we are going by the social norm.
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Which is not rolling around on the floor in a fursuit.
[05:05] Fellow Debater: So you find something wrong with people who are abnormal? In any way, or only in the furry way?
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I find something wrong with furries.
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I find something wrong with rapists
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: With pedophiles
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Etc.
[05:06] Ciaran: A lot of things do not live up to the social norm.
[05:06] Fellow Debater: Difference = pedofiles and rapists are hurting other people.
[05:06] Ciaran: I probably would not live up to it. Does that make me wrong?
[05:06] Fellow Debater: Furries do not.
[05:06] Ciaran: You are going on the extreme
[05:06] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: So?
[05:06] Ciaran: You do not take a groups extreme and base the whole group off it.
[05:06] Ciaran: Thats genralizing and is a fallacy
[05:07] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I can use an example if I want.
[05:07] Ciaran: Which you then use to disprove to my argument
[05:07] Ciaran: You can but its wrong.
[05:07] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Anyone who dresses up in a fursuit to get their kicks, in my opinion, has a problem somewhere in their life.
[05:08] Fellow Debater: Do you think that all people who dress up like animals are 'wrong' ?
[05:08] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Why cant they just interact with others normally?
[05:08] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Why do they have to pretend they are a lower being
[05:08] Fellow Debater: Friend dressed up as a cat.
[05:08] Ciaran: People who cosplay are then wrong if they get their kicks
[05:08] Ciaran: Because they enjoy it?
[05:08] Ciaran: Why this sense of ultimate human morality?
[05:09] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: The fursuit thing, to do it on a regular basis, is wrong.
[05:09] Ciaran: Says you
[05:09] Ciaran: and your "proof" that you can be barely be bothered to find.
[05:10] Fellow Debater: Oh, so now it's only on a regular basis. You're changing your story.
[05:10] Ciaran: Back up your claims with a more stalwart source.
[05:10] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Furries are generally people who do it often?
[05:10] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Not the occasional, lets have a go at this for a bit of fun, try something different
[05:11] Fellow Debater: Ah, but that's not what you said. You said that you didn't like those who 'pretended they were a lower being'
[05:11] Ciaran: You are still not adressing why doing it on a regular bassis is not wrong.
[05:11] Ciaran: You are forcing your standards on what is the norm.
[05:12] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: If you would give me longer than 5 seconds to reply I might be able to get a word in at somepoint in this conversation Smile
[05:12] Ciaran: Why did you not say that before?
[05:14] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: To change your personality - - -
I thought it would be standard to let another person reply
- - regularly and dress up in a fursuit is clearly a sign that you have a problem with your own personality or your life and so you want to escape it by doing something quite extreme
[05:14] Fellow Debater: You don't think that maybe, they're just having fun?
[05:15] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I have, this entire time, been talking about those with a "fursona"
[05:15] Ciaran: You have yet to approve that dressing up is "extreme" you are basing it off the actions of them in that video and other extreme sides that not do make up the fur communty.
[05:15] Ciaran: Fursona!=Furry
[05:15] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I am basing it off an hour long documentary on it not off of youtube
[05:16] Ciaran: And I would like to see the source of this hour long doccumentery otherwise its like saying "I studied in this." It does not make you anymore knowledgeable . We do not know the source, contents or how firm this doccumentary is. For all we know, you could be making it up
[05:17] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Indeed, I could.
[05:18] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I would rather spend my time working on my website and finishing requests.
[05:18] Fellow Debater: Then why did you start this debate?
[05:19] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I did not start the debate actually, Medid.
[05:19] Ciaran: YYet again the burden of proof is on you. If you can't back up your claims then you have practiically forrfieted.
[05:19] Ciaran: Why did you choose to conitnue it. I gave us a chance to stop.
[05:19] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Point this chance out?
[05:20] Ciaran: We had a similer situation where yet again you did not back up your proof until the youtube video. Plus you could of asked to of stopped anytime.
[05:21] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well, I don't see why a debate should stop instantly if I have enough time for it.
[05:21] Fellow Debater: If you have enough time for the debate, it would follow that you have time to back up your points in said debate.
[05:22] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I don't have enough time to do anything more than a 2 second google search really
[05:22] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I don't want to end up scrolling through pages searching for an article on it.
[05:23] Ciaran: Then if you are unwilling to find a proper source then how can you expect to able to debate when you have to proove your statments?
[05:23] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: You have yet to proove any of your statements and/or opinions.
[05:24] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I mean, make your opinions more than opinion.
[05:24] Ciaran: We a both even really.
[05:25] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Yes
[05:25] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Now /discussion on this
[05:25] Ciaran: Is it possible then is can done at a later date?
[05:26] Ciaran: It is 5:26 am.
[05:26] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Why would I want to continue this?
It's not a very interesting, exciting nor intellectual debate.
[05:26] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Mesays (05:27):
It is 5:26 am.
Ahaha!
Nice one.
[05:26] Fellow Debater: Some people's clocks are different times.
[05:26] Ciaran: ?
[05:27] Ciaran: I am tired
[05:27] Ciaran: Is that ok?
[05:27] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: No?
[05:27] Ciaran: Well people make mistakes.
[05:27] Ciaran: Which is why I am asking for a break
[05:27] Ciaran: I really need sleep.
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Don't let me keep you up, you'll be here until tomorrow.
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Toda
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Today*
[05:28] Ciaran: I know your contact on MSN.
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I did add you.
[05:30] Fellow Debater: Well, good. Meneeds his sleep, and I need to do dishes.
[05:31] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Cya
Discuss
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: We will kill and rape you (in that order)
[03:51] Ciaran: I am already daed
[03:51] Ciaran: dead
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: So
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: we are raping you
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well
[03:51] Ciaran: You are raping a wolf
[03:51] //Friend - - <3: ... I finished we can stop
[03:51] //Friend - - <3: Hows the weather?
[03:51] Ciaran: OH MY f*** GOD STOP
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: omfg
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU f*** FURFAG
[03:51] Ciaran: XD
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: GET THE f*** OUT
[03:51] Ciaran: No
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: FURRY s***
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: BURN
[03:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: f*** FURFAG
[03:51] Ciaran: I am not a furry b****
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: f*** FURRY
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: FURRY
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: FURRY
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU f*** DIE
[03:52] Ciaran: Antrhro
[03:52] Ciaran: XD
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU ARE s***
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: =)
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: XD
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: Dude I just like, f*** bubble drooled everywhere
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: SAME DIFFERENCE
[03:52] Ciaran: No.....
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: NOW GET THE f*** OUT
[03:52] Ciaran: No
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE
[03:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: SERIOUSLY
[03:52] Ciaran: I am not a furry. If you can not realise that then you need sleep.
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: *blows bubbles with drool*
[03:52] //Friend - - <3: got mud on your face
[03:53] Ciaran: I dont' wear a fursiut, I do not draw furry pics. I do not go to furry cons.
[03:53] Ciaran: I JUST may not be a furry. ;)
[03:53] Ciaran: Calm down dear
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: OKAY
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: WELL
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU STILL WANT TO BE AN ANIMAL
[03:53] Ciaran: I don't
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YOU PRETEND TO BE
[03:53] //Friend - - <3: booom cha booom
[03:53] //Friend - - <3: *totally oblivious*
[03:53] Ciaran: So much for any imagination.
[03:53] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: IMAGINATION
[03:54] Ciaran: Yes
[03:54] Ciaran: I know it is not real.
[03:54] Ciaran: Get it?
[03:54] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: YES. BUT STILL, SERIOUSLY MAN, YOU HAVE SOME PROBLEMS, IF YOU USE AN ALTERNATE PERSONA ONLINE, AND AND AND, ESPECIALLY IF ITS THAT OF AN ANIMAL
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: IT CLEARLY SHOWS YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH YOURSELF
[03:55] Ciaran: You could apply that to 65% of DA.
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: SO f*** OFF AND GET THEM SORTED OUT PLZ
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I DONT CARE.
[03:55] Ciaran: I don't care for what you say so no amount of spamming or shouting is going to make me leave.
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: SHOUTING
[03:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: THIS IS TEXT
[03:55] //Friend - - <3: DA?
[03:56] Ciaran: Deviant Art
[03:56] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: THIS IS NOT SPAM EITHER
[03:56] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: IT IS ON TOPIC
[03:57] Ciaran: I see
[03:58] Ciaran: *TumbleweedU
[03:58] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Fail.
[03:58] Ciaran: ?
[03:59] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It is what you just did.
[03:59] Ciaran: *Wonders if you were from 4chan*
[03:59] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: How can anyone be "from" 4chan?
[03:59] Ciaran: Well dwell on the boards.
[03:59] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Unless the 4chan server started producing sperm I doubt anybody is actually a product of 4chan.
[04:00] Ciaran: Its a figure of speech.
[04:00] Ciaran: But thats a funny mental image
[04:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I prefer 7chan to 4chan
[04:00] Ciaran: Ahhh
[04:01] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: And 12chan when it existed.
[04:01] Ciaran: May I ask someting?
[04:01] Ciaran: something*
[04:01] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: No. You may not ask anything as any attempt to do so will be met by instant death.
</sarcasm>
[04:02] Ciaran: Why did you react like that?
[04:03] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: To what?
The question you just asked or something else?
[04:03] Ciaran: The reaction when I mentioned you were raping a wolf.
[04:03] Ciaran: You seem to go a bit....mad...
[04:04] Ciaran: :/
[04:04] //Friend - - <3: Umm, well guys, hate to just leave but ummm, urgent news brb
[04:04] Ciaran: kk
[04:05] *** //Friend - - <3 has left the conversation.
[04:06 Anti Furry Guy: Well. I think that it is ridiculous that you have such a huge problem with yourself that you feel the need to mask your real identity completely online.
[04:06] Ciaran: I am not
[04:06] Ciaran: You are hurling accusations at me and assuming who I am and what I do over one comment.
[04:06] Ciaran: I have no problem with myself.
[04:06] kat.fish@hotmail.co.uk: Of course you don't.
[04:07] Ciaran: Is that meant to be sarcasm?
[04:07] Anti Furry Guy Anybody who pretends to be a wolf online clearly has some kind of problem.
[04:07] Ciaran: Says you.
[04:07] Ciaran: If I were trying to pass myself out as one then yes but just playing around with a persona is in no way wrong or a sign of ill health
[04:07]Anti Furry Guy: Says psychiatry.
[04:08] Ciaran: Otherwise all RP's are f***.
[04:08] Ciaran: A lot of DA is f***.
[04:08] Anti Furry Guy: I don't care about DA and it's ridiculous userbase.
[04:08] Ciaran: Another genralzation.
[04:09] Anti Furry Guy: Overall the userbase of DA is ridiculous
[04:09] Ciaran: You are focusing one aspect.
[04:09] Anti Furry Guy: It was a genralization as it was not targetted at anyone nor anything. So you were just stating the obvious there.
[04:10] Ciaran: DA is Fur Affinty.
[04:10] Ciaran: Affinty*
[04:10] Ciaran: not*
[04:11 Anti Furry Guy]: I never said it was
[04:11] Anti Furry Guy :I said DA has a ridiculous userbase
[04:11] Ciaran: Why
[04:12] Ciaran: ?
[04:13] Anti Furry Guy: A lot of the users on there have posted almost nothing, a lot of them are horridly s*** at art, a lot of them are immature and young, a lot of the decent art is ignored, there is, of course the furfags on there too
[04:14]Anti Furry Guy: This wolf thing, if you do that online, then you clearly have a problem with your own personality in real life, or you are trying to escape your real life to a ridiculous extent...
[04:14] (Fellow Debater) has joined the conversation.
[04:15] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Oh and here comes the ninja.
[04:16] Fellow Debater: The ninja? Excuse me?
[04:16] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I've seen the picture.
[04:16] Fellow Debater: It was for halloween
[04:17] Ciaran: Ok,, for a start DA is can be for people who just like to see art. I admit it will be used as social networking to a certain extent. You can not force art onto people. Point two, just because people are s*** at art does not make it any higher or lower, plus everyone starts from somewhere and you can not change fans. You will get a lot of young people anywhere, deal with it. Finally you are actually one pathetic soul to act like a b/tard. Fur fags hm?
[04:18] Ciaran: Oh and I do not any real life problems so don't think you know a shred about me. I am not trying to escape from anything. I having fun and thats it.
[04:19] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: You don't get immature people everywhere, I tend to avoid places where they are as abundant as they are on DA.
[04:19] Ciaran: This is the f*** internet where any bastard can be on a computer and say their views.
[04:19] Ciaran: Some places will have them more then others but you wont have an imature free place
[04:20] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: That is ridiculous
[04:20] Ciaran: No it is not.
[04:20] Ciaran: Its human nature
[04:20] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I go to places that ban immature people and little kids
[04:20] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: So, I do go to immature free places.
[04:20] Ciaran: Ditto
[04:21] Ciaran: But they were immature before being banned right?
[04:21] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well then what is this: " you wont have an imature free place "
[04:21] Ciaran: Just beucase they were banned does not mean they did not grace where you go.
[04:21] Fellow Debater: People get around that, it's not hard to lie about your age
[04:21] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Not really. It's passworded so only those who are known can get in.
[04:22] Ciaran: Those do not make up the staple of the internet.
[04:22] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Screening process checks what they are like. Nobody immature gets a pass.
[04:22] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It's a public private.
[04:22] Ciaran: Nothing is 100% though
[04:22] Fellow Debater: immature is a point of view.
[04:22] Ciaran: What do you want of DA anyway? A purge?
[04:23] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well, you can tell if their balls have not dropped fairly easily on the ventrilo. So that helps a great deal.
I don't want anything of DA. I ignore it. I do not use it.
[04:24] Ciaran: This has gone off topic anyway.
[04:24] Fellow Debater: Immature and young are two different things.
[04:24] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: True, but age and maturity are closely related.
[04:24] Fellow Debater: Not really. I know people way older who are less mature than I am.
[04:25] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Are you honestly denying that age and maturity are not closely related?
Really now, that is a /very/ stupid statement.
[04:25] Fellow Debater: They may be a little, but age does not always equal maturity
[04:25] Ciaran: Which is what you are implying.
[04:25] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I never said it did, I said they are closely related
[04:26] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: An 8 year old will never be able to posess the level of maturity an 80 year old could.
[04:26] Ciaran: Leap of logic.
[04:26] Ciaran: You took it too the exetreme there.
[04:26] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: So, why is it that you are online at 4:27am Ciaran?
[04:27] Ciaran: Why is that you are online yourself? I am on for my own pleasure.
[04:27] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I have a sleeping disorder.
[04:27] Ciaran: I see
[04:28] Fellow Debater: More importantly, why does it matter why other people are online?
[04:28] Ciaran: But what has me going on at this time got to do with this debate?
[04:29] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Nothing. It was entirely off-topic.
[04:29] Ciaran: It just seemed a bit out of the blue thats all.
[04:29] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: The average 12 year old does not posess the same level of maturity that the average 16 year old will.
[04:29] Ciaran: The thing is I disliked your insulting reactions to furries which is why I called you a b/tard.
[04:29] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It's /b/
[04:29] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Not b/
[04:29] Ciaran: That vulgur phrase reminds me of them and their raids.
[04:30] Ciaran: I think they hit Wiki Fur a while ago.
[04:30] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I've only ever taken part in the raid on scientology.
[04:30] Ciaran: I am not sayingg all did.
[04:30] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I know.
[04:30] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I was clearing something up.
[04:31] Ciaran: I just really do not like that phrase.
[04:31] Ciaran: Why do you dislike furries anyway?
[04:31] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well, furries have a clear social disorder, psychiatry agrees
[04:31] Ciaran: How does that bother you?
[04:32] Ciaran: If I said I had a fetish for vore would that give me a clear social disorder/
[04:32] Ciaran: ?*
[04:32] Fellow Debater: If they have a disorder, it's not your concern.
[04:32] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I'm not concerned
[04:33] Fellow Debater: I mean, it's none of your business unless they force it on you
[04:33] Ciaran: But you told me to get out.
[04:33] Ciaran: I am not sure whether that was jokingly or not..
[04:33] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: That is not me showing concern, that is me showing disgust.
[04:33] Fellow Debater: If you don't like it, don't look or don't read.
[04:34] Ciaran: Each to their own I guess.
[04:35] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: http://www.surf-revolutions.com/images/ ... 4chanb.jpg
[04:36] Ciaran: What is this for?
[04:36] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: For entertainment and informative purposes I suppose.
[04:37] Ciaran: Ah.
[04:37] Ciaran: Btw, Well, furries have a clear social disorder, psychiatry agrees
[04:37] Ciaran: Any evidence on that?
[04:37] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I'm sorry, I don't have any sauce.
[04:38] Ciaran: Then your claim is not backed up.
[04:38] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I watched a documentary on it once a while ago.
Why don't you try searching around looking for a professional opinion on furfagism
[04:39] Ciaran: If you were mature enough you would stop calling them that.
[04:39] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It is a habit.
[04:39] Ciaran: Break it
[04:39] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Mesays (04:35):
Each to their own I guess.
[04:40] Ciaran: That was over you digust, not the naming.
[04:40] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It can be applied to this.
[04:40] Ciaran: It makes you look like arsehole.
[04:40] Ciaran: an*
[04:40] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Do I care on your opinion on me?
[04:41] Ciaran: No, I was mearly noting.
[04:41] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: about*
[04:41] Ciaran: But the burden of proof is on you.
[04:42] Ciaran: Not me, you find why it is a social disorder. You back up your claims if you can.
[04:42] Ciaran: Unless you just want to leave it as opinion
[04:43] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I would rather spend my time doing something more productive than searching google for an article on it.
[04:43] Ciaran: Then its the latter which is fine.
[04:44] Ciaran: It has been a good debate.
[04:44] Ciaran: Out of interest, how old are you?
[04:48] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1czzb6ofj0
Clearly abnormal behaviour.
[04:49] Ciaran: "I would rather spend my time doing something more productive than searching google for an article on it." Out of the window I assume.
[04:50] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I did not search for that.
It's on a forum I visit.
[04:50] Fellow Debater: If people want to act like cats, why does it matter? As long as it's not harming other people, no one has a right to complain.
[04:50] Ciaran: You taking the extreme of a group highlited though. You can not base the actions of a whole group on but a few.
[04:50] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: You think that is the extreme?
[04:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: The extreme is yiffing and porn.
[04:51] Ciaran: Is youtube a peer reviewed journal on medical behaviour?
[04:51] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Obviously not. Like I said I am not searching around for an article.
[04:52] Ciaran: The actions in that video are do not account for the whole furry spectrum.
[04:52] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Here is a comment on the video (Not on the youtube page)
WTF? You're a member of the smartest most resourceful species on Earth and instead you want to be an animal rolling around in the mud? Pitiful.
[04:52] Ciaran: By that logic, waving a controller around to move a virtual bat is pitiful.
[04:53] Fellow Debater: Or playing video games at all, for that matter.
[04:53] Ciaran: You or the commenter are not the decider of what is or what is not ptitiful.
[04:54] Ciaran: People will do a variety of things to furfill or entertain themselves. If you find that pitiful then tough luck on you.
[04:54] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Playing video games is entirely seperate, it's a way to have fun by challenging yourself on your thinking skills, hand eye co-ordination and other things, unless of course you play a game to role play on it
[04:55] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Personally I play games for income and fun of the challenge.
[04:56] Ciaran: You are always playing a role in video games no matter how disconnected or basic. People just play games to escape reality and relax and trust me. A lot of people play for that reason. Its called being immerserd in the game.
[04:56] Ciaran: You can not subscribe what your view of games are to everyone else though.
[04:56] Ciaran: As said people play for many reasons.
[04:57] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well, some people play to role play, others play for the fun that comes with the challenge
[04:57] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: If a game was without any challenge it would not be a game
[04:57] Ciaran: So video games ARE NOT entirely seperate
[04:58] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It depends on how you play them.
[04:58] Ciaran: But many people do not play just for challenge.
[04:58] Ciaran: How would story driven games work otherwise?
[04:59] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: If a story driven game had no challenge to it at all it would not be a game, more of an interactive movie
[04:59] Fellow Debater: Many people play games for story and challenge.
[04:59] Ciaran: But I am not saying that they do it for one or the other.
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Playing a game is about the challenge, without the challenge it is not really a game.
[05:00] Ciaran: It is not about the challenge.
[05:00] Ciaran: No one is arguing that it is not.
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It is not about the challenge.
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: xD
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Mesays (05:01):
It is not about the challenge.
Mesays (05:01):
No one is arguing that it is not.
[05:00] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I cant believe that.
[05:01] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Are you stoned or something?
[05:01] Ciaran: Before you string that up I was focusing on that I was not trying to debate the challenge.
[05:01] Fellow Debater: Even if playing a game is about being challenged, you are still playing at being something you are not
[05:01] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Sure, but the difference is, you are not playing it for that.
[05:02] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: AND it is not brought into real life very often
[05:02] Ciaran: The point remains that people will do many things to entertain themselves.
[05:02] Fellow Debater: And it's no one's business except those doing it
[05:02] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Sure, pissing all over each other and having sex in animal costumes is a great, perfectly normal form of entertainment.
[05:02] Ciaran: Whether it is roll around in mud, play for both challenge and story. People get their kicks in different ways but its all for entertainment.
[05:03] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Yiffing is f*** disgusting. It happens at anthro conventions, and it is the reason I hate furfags.
[05:03] Ciaran: You are not complaining about BDSM.
[05:03] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Thats because its not on topic and hasnt been brought up
[05:03] Ciaran: Odd, I would not consider that NORMAL enterrtainment
[05:04] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: It was sarcasm.
[05:04] Ciaran: Oh, and who gives you the righ to determine what is normal.
[05:04] Fellow Debater: And you are talking about extremes here. Not all people who roleplay animals online, or at conventions do that.
[05:04] Ciaran: Can I have another spoon fed youtube video that you found.
[05:04] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Definitions of normal on the Web:
* conforming with or constituting a norm or standard or level or type or social norm; not abnormal; "serve wine at normal room temperature"; "normal ...
[05:05] Ciaran: So I assume we are going by the social norm.
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Which is not rolling around on the floor in a fursuit.
[05:05] Fellow Debater: So you find something wrong with people who are abnormal? In any way, or only in the furry way?
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I find something wrong with furries.
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I find something wrong with rapists
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: With pedophiles
[05:05] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Etc.
[05:06] Ciaran: A lot of things do not live up to the social norm.
[05:06] Fellow Debater: Difference = pedofiles and rapists are hurting other people.
[05:06] Ciaran: I probably would not live up to it. Does that make me wrong?
[05:06] Fellow Debater: Furries do not.
[05:06] Ciaran: You are going on the extreme
[05:06] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: So?
[05:06] Ciaran: You do not take a groups extreme and base the whole group off it.
[05:06] Ciaran: Thats genralizing and is a fallacy
[05:07] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I can use an example if I want.
[05:07] Ciaran: Which you then use to disprove to my argument
[05:07] Ciaran: You can but its wrong.
[05:07] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Anyone who dresses up in a fursuit to get their kicks, in my opinion, has a problem somewhere in their life.
[05:08] Fellow Debater: Do you think that all people who dress up like animals are 'wrong' ?
[05:08] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Why cant they just interact with others normally?
[05:08] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Why do they have to pretend they are a lower being
[05:08] Fellow Debater: Friend dressed up as a cat.
[05:08] Ciaran: People who cosplay are then wrong if they get their kicks
[05:08] Ciaran: Because they enjoy it?
[05:08] Ciaran: Why this sense of ultimate human morality?
[05:09] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: The fursuit thing, to do it on a regular basis, is wrong.
[05:09] Ciaran: Says you
[05:09] Ciaran: and your "proof" that you can be barely be bothered to find.
[05:10] Fellow Debater: Oh, so now it's only on a regular basis. You're changing your story.
[05:10] Ciaran: Back up your claims with a more stalwart source.
[05:10] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Furries are generally people who do it often?
[05:10] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Not the occasional, lets have a go at this for a bit of fun, try something different
[05:11] Fellow Debater: Ah, but that's not what you said. You said that you didn't like those who 'pretended they were a lower being'
[05:11] Ciaran: You are still not adressing why doing it on a regular bassis is not wrong.
[05:11] Ciaran: You are forcing your standards on what is the norm.
[05:12] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: If you would give me longer than 5 seconds to reply I might be able to get a word in at somepoint in this conversation Smile
[05:12] Ciaran: Why did you not say that before?
[05:14] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: To change your personality - - -
I thought it would be standard to let another person reply
- - regularly and dress up in a fursuit is clearly a sign that you have a problem with your own personality or your life and so you want to escape it by doing something quite extreme
[05:14] Fellow Debater: You don't think that maybe, they're just having fun?
[05:15] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I have, this entire time, been talking about those with a "fursona"
[05:15] Ciaran: You have yet to approve that dressing up is "extreme" you are basing it off the actions of them in that video and other extreme sides that not do make up the fur communty.
[05:15] Ciaran: Fursona!=Furry
[05:15] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I am basing it off an hour long documentary on it not off of youtube
[05:16] Ciaran: And I would like to see the source of this hour long doccumentery otherwise its like saying "I studied in this." It does not make you anymore knowledgeable . We do not know the source, contents or how firm this doccumentary is. For all we know, you could be making it up
[05:17] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Indeed, I could.
[05:18] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I would rather spend my time working on my website and finishing requests.
[05:18] Fellow Debater: Then why did you start this debate?
[05:19] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I did not start the debate actually, Medid.
[05:19] Ciaran: YYet again the burden of proof is on you. If you can't back up your claims then you have practiically forrfieted.
[05:19] Ciaran: Why did you choose to conitnue it. I gave us a chance to stop.
[05:19] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Point this chance out?
[05:20] Ciaran: We had a similer situation where yet again you did not back up your proof until the youtube video. Plus you could of asked to of stopped anytime.
[05:21] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well, I don't see why a debate should stop instantly if I have enough time for it.
[05:21] Fellow Debater: If you have enough time for the debate, it would follow that you have time to back up your points in said debate.
[05:22] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I don't have enough time to do anything more than a 2 second google search really
[05:22] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I don't want to end up scrolling through pages searching for an article on it.
[05:23] Ciaran: Then if you are unwilling to find a proper source then how can you expect to able to debate when you have to proove your statments?
[05:23] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: You have yet to proove any of your statements and/or opinions.
[05:24] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I mean, make your opinions more than opinion.
[05:24] Ciaran: We a both even really.
[05:25] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Yes
[05:25] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Now /discussion on this
[05:25] Ciaran: Is it possible then is can done at a later date?
[05:26] Ciaran: It is 5:26 am.
[05:26] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Why would I want to continue this?
It's not a very interesting, exciting nor intellectual debate.
[05:26] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Mesays (05:27):
It is 5:26 am.
Ahaha!
Nice one.
[05:26] Fellow Debater: Some people's clocks are different times.
[05:26] Ciaran: ?
[05:27] Ciaran: I am tired
[05:27] Ciaran: Is that ok?
[05:27] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: No?
[05:27] Ciaran: Well people make mistakes.
[05:27] Ciaran: Which is why I am asking for a break
[05:27] Ciaran: I really need sleep.
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Don't let me keep you up, you'll be here until tomorrow.
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Well
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Toda
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Today*
[05:28] Ciaran: I know your contact on MSN.
[05:28] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: I did add you.
[05:30] Fellow Debater: Well, good. Meneeds his sleep, and I need to do dishes.
[05:31] //Anti Furry Guy - - <3: Cya
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