Showing the werewolf's softer side.

[Terastas]

Now how about the Gestalt form? What kind of "soft side" are we looking for? Something to make the people go "AWWW how cute." For example....a Gestalt werewolf letting a baby duckling snuggle up in its fur. Yes, I know. To childish

Well, thanks to the typical violent bloodthirsty image of werewolves, it wouldn't take much to soften up the werewolf's image. Heck, when you think about it, he could even look softer in combat just by not ripping his opponent to shreds.

That'd be one instance in which I think a werewolf could demonstrate a more humane side: by immobilizing a human opponent instead of killing him: dangle him upside down or sit on his stomach until he says uncle, or if the aim was also to make the human look stupid, by putting the hand of his longer arm on the human's head and letting them swing at the air in between them. The implication would be simple enough: the werewolf is powerful, but not malicious.

The other good instance, of course, would be to put the gestalt werewolf in a setting in which he can act more human, despite his obvious differences. In one of those fabled duck-marked safehouses, for example, the expectation is that all of the humans he will encounter will either be werewolves in human form or uninfected collaborators.

Taking into account that the shift is painful, I have a feeling a werewolf would need at least an hour or two before he could feel up to shifting again. Assuming such, it probably wouldn't be that uncommon for a safehouse owner to see a werewolf lounging about in gestalt form waiting for however much time they think they need before shifting again. During that time, a werewolf could exhibit plenty of gentle behaviors.

I don't think a werewolf would ever "play puppy" the way he could in full wolf form (unless his aim was to make fun of the human), but I could picture a human and gestalt cuddling on a couch in front of the TV. It wouldn't need to be an obvious act of affection -- just him plopped on his tail with an arm around her shoulders because, like I said before, thanks to that whole rip, tear and Spiderman image, even a subtle gesture would represent a more compassionate werewolf.

[Vuldari]

So what do you think the main differences would be between a werewolf and an anthro wolf? I'm thinking the anthro would be shown as having a 110% human mind with no wolfie instincts. Anything else?

Hmmm...you know....that is much harder to define than I thought it would be.


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Anthro- Full vocal range/ casual eliquent speach.

Werewolf- Limited vocal range. Only "mimicked" speach-like sounds, plus normal WOLF sounds.
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Anthro- 100% "HUMAN" mentality, in a fuzzy body.

Werewolf- Human Mind, Will and Memories interpreted trough the Ferral impulses and instincts and mindset of a Wolf. ( A Filtered/ "Reformatted" mental state.)
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Anthro- Unincumbered, humaniod range of movement. (Easily can hold a pen and write, walk completely vertical, "mouth" words with lips [wolves don't have the muscles to do that...I don't think])

Werewolf- Variant range of movement. Hunched over posture. Non Human-like "gait"* (*the way they walk). Bulky, clumsy paws, NOT well suited for delicate work. Stiff lips...(exept for Snarling).


...that's all I can think of right now.

[Figarou]

I don't think a werewolf would ever "play puppy" the way he could in full wolf form (unless his aim was to make fun of the human), but I could picture a human and gestalt cuddling on a couch in front of the TV. It wouldn't need to be an obvious act of affection -- just him plopped on his tail with an arm around her shoulders because, like I said before, thanks to that whole rip, tear and Spiderman image, even a subtle gesture would represent a more compassionate werewolf.

A werewolf in gestalt form flipping through TV channels. "Grrrrrrrr"

werewolf 1 in human form- "Whats his problem?"

werewolf 2 in human form- "I don't know. He's been flipping thorugh the channels all night.


werewolf in gestalt form-*stops channel surfing and wags tail*

werewolf 1 and 2 "FangFace? Oh hell no!!!"

[Darth Canis]

Or....

impatient dog: *Yip bark yip*

Werewolf (human form): Allright allright you want to go for a run?

impatient dog: *Bark BARK*

Werewolf (human form): Allright hang on let me change *wanders into the other room and closes the door*

Impatient dog: waits by the door for his master to return

All of the sudden a large wolf bursts through the door and is tackled by his impatient dog with a barage of kisses. Its hard to tell but the wolf apprears to have a canine like grin on his face.

Soooo adorable awwww

[Figarou]

Or....

impatient dog: *Yip bark yip*

Werewolf (human form): Allright allright you want to go for a run?

impatient dog: *Bark BARK*

Werewolf (human form): Allright hang on let me change *wanders into the other room and closes the door*

Impatient dog: waits by the door for his master to return

All of the sudden a large wolf bursts through the door and is tackled by his impatient dog with a barage of kisses. Its hard to tell but the wolf apprears to have a canine like grin on his face.

Soooo adorable awwww

And I bet the werewolf in wolf form will let the dog hold the leash while he wears the collar.

[Terastas]

"FangFace? Oh hell no!!!"

*nods* Yeah, something tells me the last thing a werewolf would want to watch on TV is some kind of werewolf flick. Fang Face makes me feel the same way about werewolves that Jerry Springer makes me feel about humans.

Another good way would be to have some dialogue in which the werewolf could respond with simple human gestures, like a yes or no question. It wouldn't be an in-your-face inclusion, but it would be enough to indicate that the humane side is still in control (wether the humane side is human or wolf is debatable )

[outwarddoodles]

Personally to show they have a human mindset alot could depend on the eyes. But rather that could be confusing, hand movements might help for wolves dont use their paws to signal.

[Terastas]

Personally to show they have a human mindset alot could depend on the eyes. But rather that could be confusing, hand movements might help for wolves dont use their paws to signal.

Eyes are usually a good indicator, but this might be one of the exceptions. Human eyes are considered to be expressive because we've all been reading them for most of our lives, but nonhuman eyes generally take some level of prolonged exposure to be read. I'm imagining a wolf's occular emotions would be tough to read and even tougher to animate.

So yeah, hand gestures and posture would be a much better way of demonstrating human emotions.

[Figarou]

So yeah, hand gestures and posture would be a much better way of demonstrating human emotions.

Wolves and werewolves can show an emotion without hands or posture

That's something humans can't do!! But can understand its meaning.

[silverpaw]

yah but you can generally see through someones eyes...and a dogs or wolfs or whatever other animal... yah eyes are kool

[Terastas]

Wolves and werewolves can show an emotion without hands or posture

True, but in the ideal scenario, the audience would look at the entire werewolf to interpret his emotions. I'm not saying a werewolf couldn't demonstrate his emotions by perking his ears or wagging his tail, but you don't want to frequently draw attention to the werewolf's butt like that.

[Figarou]

but you don't want to frequently draw attention to the werewolf's butt like that.

heh, I bet you'll see a close up of the werewolf's butt when the tail pops out during the shift.

(And I hope its a female's tush)

Oh no!! There I go again!!

AHHHHHHHH!!

*Runs and hides*

[Set]

...

*chases after Figarou and beats him with her cane*

[outwarddoodles]

Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! *Chases Fig with the news paper, and the funnies are removed.*

Oh, and as stated in other topics. The wolfing around is fun, but its better to wolf around in proper topics, we were talking on a softer side of werewolves, which was related to how they would show emotion.

I have the newspaper and I'm not afraid to use it.

True, but in the ideal scenario, the audience would look at the entire werewolf to interpret his emotions. I'm not saying a werewolf couldn't demonstrate his emotions by perking his ears or wagging his tail, but you don't want to frequently draw attention to the werewolf's butt like that.

True. We want to show it in the entire form. Plus that seems to point more towards a human mindset. Being werewolves seem to be evil beasts people seem to beleive having a human mindset means they are thinking and are capable of kinder emotion. Showing more human actions seems to point more towards that.

That can mean using of hands, pointing or motioning, or posibly a pat on the back. =^^= (And I know Figarou is probaly thinking of hands and belly rubs) A head, such as a motion towards an object, or sticking it forward in curoisity. Hands are yet often used (especially for girls, he he) and would really point towards human.

[Terastas]

Actually, the thing about the tail I was referring to was the motion factor. We tend to focus on objects in motion, so if on screen there is an actor's lips moving and a big thick-furred werewolf tail waving back and forth, more attention will end up being payed to the tail. It's okay to demonstrate that a werewolf can move his tail like that, but it shouldn't compete with the the intended focus.

So yeah, while leaving out any and all canine gestures wouldn't be fair to the werewolf (especially taking into account that werewolves can opt to go feral), but it's the ones we already understand that would be better implemented.

[Figarou]

Actually, the thing about the tail I was referring to was the motion factor. We tend to focus on objects in motion, so if on screen there is an actor's lips moving and a big thick-furred werewolf tail waving back and forth, more attention will end up being payed to the tail. It's okay to demonstrate that a werewolf can move his tail like that, but it shouldn't compete with the the intended focus.

I know one thing about the wolf's tail. Its not always in motion. They don't hold it high in the air all the time. And it seems limp when they walk. They only use the tail when its necessary. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Figarou]

Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! *Chases Fig with the news paper, and the funnies are removed.*

...

*chases after Figarou and beats him with her cane*

Oh my. I got females chasing after me.

Must be my animal magnetism.


AHHHHHH!!!

*runs and hides*

[Aki]

Yeah, chasing is futile.

I prefer using my Duckie missle with Figarou set as the target...

*fires missle, and the duck shaped missle rockets after Fig with a thunderous "QUACK!"*

[outwarddoodles]

*Beats Aki with newspaper*

Actually, the thing about the tail I was referring to was the motion factor. We tend to focus on objects in motion, so if on screen there is an actor's lips moving and a big thick-furred werewolf tail waving back and forth, more attention will end up being payed to the tail. It's okay to demonstrate that a werewolf can move his tail like that, but it shouldn't compete with the the intended focus.

*Nods head agreeingly.*

[JonathanBaine]

Hmm, is he sleeping?....(pokes Figorou with a stick)...nothing happens....(poke him again)
Uh oh......( quickly runs away)

(Far off sound)....I didn't do it!

[Figarou]

Hmm, is he sleeping?....(pokes Figorou with a stick)...nothing happens....(poke him again)
Uh oh......( quickly runs away)

(Far off sound)....I didn't do it!

You can run, but you can't hide.

[JonathanBaine]

...(sound of a little girl screaming in the background)

[Raina The Werewolf Queen]

I always pictured a nice werewolf in this way.

HUMAN: Friendly to others. Not to social with humans. Can live in a community but on the outskirts.

WOLF: Stays away from humans when a wolf. Doesnt look for trouble. Only kills when hungry.ECT..

[Terastas]

*sighs* I'm probably re-opening Pandora's Box by quotting this again, but...

werewolf in gestalt form-*stops channel surfing and wags tail*

werewolf 1 and 2 "FangFace? Oh hell no!!!"

Well, typical morbid feline got the best of me and I actually did some digging to see what the program is actually like. I doubt any werewolf would be a fan of it, but I could picture a bunch of werewolves watching it because nothing else is on, not necessarilly tossing their cookies at it, but just sort of watching it like:


I doubt they'd disagree with it; just watch it and wonder if that's really what Hannah Barbara (?) thinks of them. On the whole, except for extremely lame-plotted movies like Darkwolf, I think that's how they'd treat most werewolf films -- with blinking eyes, tilted heads and the occassional "Arou?"

*Werewolf in gestalt form and werewolf in human form are watching Fangface*
*Somebody mentions food and Fangface eats Puggsy*
*Gestalt werewolf and human werewolf exchange glances*
*Gestalt grins. Human elbows gestalt in the ribs*

[Figarou]

*Werewolf in gestalt form and werewolf in human form are watching Fangface*
*Somebody mentions food and Fangface eats Puggsy*
*Gestalt werewolf and human werewolf exchange glances*
*Gestalt grins. Human elbows gestalt in the ribs*

werewolf in human form- "How many times has Puggsy been in Fangface's mouth?"

werewolf in Gestalt form- "Practically every episode, why?

werewolf in human form- "Well, werewolves have sharp teeth. Puggsy could've accidently scratched himself while struggling and become a werewolf himself."


werewolf in gestalt form-- "hmmmmmmm" *sits on shoulders of human form werewolf."

werewolf in human form-- "Hey!! You're heavy!! Get off!!"


werewolf in Gestalt form-- "That goes to prove that hollywood needs to think on what they do with werewolves in cartoons and in the movies."