There is NO PERFECT WEREWOLF movie...

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:45 am

And there never will be, in my opinion.

In my short time posting on this board, it's clear that everyone has specific tastes, and some of them are very anal. For example, a werewolf might have paw like hands, but if they aren't a specific thickness, or color, or whatever, then certain werewolf fans would be disappointed. They might even trash the whole film for such minescule details. So I'm wondering...

The thing about the world's greatest movies is STORY, and CHARACTERS. A story that you get wrapped up in, and characters you'd love to be, or be with.

When it comes to a lot of werewolf stories, such as fanfics or whatever, it seems to boil down to transformations. People describe, in great length, how a tail grows, or how claws appear. It's almost as if it were a turn on, or fetish. So I wonder if some people might judge a film like say, Camp Lycanthrope, or Freeborn, or Heart of Darkness negativly, if they don't feature these specific elements.

I wrote transformation sequences in CL to be brief, because it's up to a director to decide how it's executed. Describing it in detail isn't important in a script. But I am willing to guess that one or two people who read my script may have judged it negativly because it lacked prologed descriptions.

I know I wrote Camp Lycanthrope a specific way, because werewolf stories are all about transformations. And in animation you can really go crazy with it. I wanted to see all kinds, from panful, to controlled, to graceful, etc, etc. I wanted my film to be as UNLIKE those werewolf films where you wait 90 minutes for a poorly executed transformation sequence. Out of the whole film, there's something like 40 or 50 changes that we actually SEE.

But still, some people will look at CL and not like it for whatever reason, You CANNOT please everyone. So I ask you, does life begin and end for some of you guys if say, one of our films seemd like the PERFECT werewolf film?

curious to see what you think...

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 6:14 am

The PERFECT werewolf film?

Hmmmmmmm.........

What may be perfect to one...may be terrible to another.

Not everyone will think the same. Some may hate a werewolf film because.....

1)All the werewolves may get killed off in the end.

2)Its a mindless killing machine.

3)Its moon driven.

4)There is only ONE werewolf in the whole film.

5)The werewolf doesn't get much screen time.

6)They use the werewolf's point of view to many times. (Looking at the world through his eyes.)

7)The werewolf is lacking the tail.

8.)Little to no TFs.

9)It has a hidious deformed look to it.

The list goes on.

CL eliminated what I listed above. Freeborn and HOD could to the same.

So...for the PERFECT werewolf film. I need to wait till I see it on the big screen before I can answer.

If I go by the script alone....all I can say is how great the story is.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:11 am

I agree with Figarou, all those mistakes he listed is what pretty much what messed up werewolf movies, Camp Lycanthrope and Freeborn is as close as perfect can get when it comes to werewolf movies.

psiguy · Post by **psiguy** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 7:54 am

You can say that I can get pretty anal when I see something that isn't to my tastes. But hey, to get millions of people to agree that something is perfect you either have to ....

A) Listen to the people and see which things the people want to see the most and act upon the response.

B) Go out of your way to be convincing to those millions of people that what you are presenting to them is as perfect as possible.

C) Clone yourself millions of times. That way, you can have millions of people who might see things exactly your way.

It's neat to see that A. Brownrigg chose option "A" instead of Hollywood's convention option "B". I rather be the one who likes one's ideas from the start rather than be subjected to them.

I wonder who would be crazy enough to go for option "C". Be funny if it were me, but I'm not the one rolling in the $$$ to make it happen.

Kirk Hammett · Post by **Kirk Hammett** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:49 am

So I wonder if some people might judge a film like say, Camp Lycanthrope, or Freeborn, or Heart of Darkness negativly, if they don't feature these specific elements.

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Nah...

There's a lot of dicussion on here, I think it's mostly for fun nowadays. Transformations can however be pretty picky in the small detail, in order for it to work, but many of the things discussed won't be shown on the film. Nobody is going to judge anyone for that (Well I won't, that's for certain), because we all know there's no perfect film.

Calm down Matt

we all like your stuff, we're not going to bite you to pieces or judge it, we're going to watch it and enjoy it simply for what it is, whether the claws drop off or retract, or whether the feet are partially or fully digitigrade. It's your unique creation and your art, and I think everyone here is more into storyline and characterisation and is leaving that to Anthony and his writers, than appearance anyway.

There are many brilliantly made graphical films with sickening storylines. These don't get far in anyone's book. You have a lot of fans of both your art and storyline on this board, and it's passed many a critic's notice with flying colours, so you're pretty lucky man!

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:03 pm

Story is ALLWAYS what it is all about.

...if we seem to be stuck on the specifics of the transformation, it is because of one thing.

So far, the stories and plot behind nearly EVERY werewolf movie ever made has been garbage. The only thing that really draws us in to watch the films anyway, in spite of the awful stories and acting, is to see the TF.

If SomeOne , (*wink, wink*) were to make a Werewolf film with a story that is actually worth watching, that also has a pretty cool, or even flawed, but semi-cool TF, (even if not "Perfectly" suited to everyones tastes), I doubt many will complain.

We rant about the TF so much because usually that is the only thing about most Werewolf films that is even worth talking about.

But we are all just really hungry for a good show.

Rhuen · Post by **Rhuen** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:18 pm

any one that expects to see their own interpritation of the transformation and werewolf in a movie is simply expecting too much. To each their own creations.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:19 pm

Shadow Wulf wrote:I agree with Figarou, all those mistakes he listed is what pretty much what messed up werewolf movies, Camp Lycanthrope and Freeborn is as close as perfect can get when it comes to werewolf movies.

yup...there is lots more.

10) some may hate the special effects that was used. (CGI being to cartoony in a live action scene, costume is not realistic enough, ETC.)

11)making werewolves do things that doesn't make sence. (Velkin in Van Helsing doing a backstroke up the wall and then TF.) {Silly if you ask me.}

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:40 pm

yes that whole transformation on the wall was very silly even to me. its one thing werewolves climbing on walls like spiderman, but its a whole nother thing when a werewolf is in the middle of transformation while doing it.

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:56 pm

Climbing on the wall LOOKS cool, but a werewolf would likely be very heavy, and thus,m completely impossible.

The scerne in CL where Pablo is climbing down the cave wall, he actuaqlly slips and falls, but manages to catch a ledge. I figure something like that would be more realistic..

Okamiotoko · Post by **Okamiotoko** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:27 pm

Of course there is no perfect werewolf movie. There is hardly a perfect anything. Perfect is just too subjective.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:29 pm

Nonsnince Im perfect, in a inperfect sort of way.

Okamiotoko · Post by **Okamiotoko** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:32 pm

Shadow Wulf wrote:Nonsnince Im perfect, in a inperfect sort of way.

OBJECTION! On the basis that paradoxes make my head hurt.

psiguy · Post by **psiguy** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:23 pm

Me: "Order in the court! Order in the court! We will settle the verdict based on unanymous vote. All in favour of Okamiotoko say 'I!'."

Millions of clones: "I!"

Me: "Let it be in the records that no one is perfect due to that paradoxes create headaches. The court is adjourned!" *bangs hammer twice* "All rise!"

Okamiotoko · Post by **Okamiotoko** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:29 am

psiguy wrote:Me: "Order in the court! Order in the court! We will settle the verdict based on unanymous vote. All in favour of Okamiotoko say 'I!'."

Millions of clones: "I!"

Me: "Let it be in the records that no one is perfect due to that paradoxes create headaches. The court is adjourned!" *bangs hammer twice* "All rise!"

The only question left then is who I send my huge legal bill.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:55 am

MattSullivan wrote:Climbing on the wall LOOKS cool, but a werewolf would likely be very heavy, and thus,m completely impossible.

The scerne in CL where Pablo is climbing down the cave wall, he actuaqlly slips and falls, but manages to catch a ledge. I figure something like that would be more realistic..

Climbing a rocky wall I can understand. As long as there is cracks/gaps to grab onto.

Like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv568Bz2jSQ

But climbing a smooth wall made of plaster and drywall/sheetrock?

PUH-LEEZE!!!

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:17 am

The problem is that, for some people, Darkwolf was the perfect werewolf movie. I know that's hard to believe, but their conclusion that people would like that crap had to come from somewhere.

For that reason, not only will there never be a perfect werewolf movie, there will never be a perfect movie of any genre. Somewhere out there is a guy that will have nothing but scorn for Freeborn for not having enough fart and dick jokes.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:51 pm

Right..."Perfect" is something that exists in theory only, but you will never find in anything, anywhere.

Even if FB, CL, and/or HoD become the most popular Werewof movie(s) ever, no one of them will be EVERYONES favorite movie in the genre.

...there will allways be some that like it less, those that dislike it outright, those that HATE it, and those who just don't care and never watch it.

That's Life...that's Showbiz...

Rhuen · Post by **Rhuen** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:50 am

Today I had an encounter that can varify this very concept actually.

Someone bought the movie Postman, and they said they loved it, it was their favorite movie. Yet I couldn't stand to watch it all the way through I thought it was so stupid.

That's just how things go with any business.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:02 am

Rhuen wrote:Today I had an encounter that can varify this very concept actually.

Someone bought the movie Postman, and they said they loved it, it was their favorite movie. Yet I couldn't stand to watch it all the way through I thought it was so stupid.

That's just how things go with any business.

I didn't HATE that movie. ...but I would never put it on my list of favorites either.

Considering the Highlight of the film for me was when The Postman said the president of the United States was Richard Starkey (Ringo Star, of the Beatles), and the capital was the Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in Minnesota (My Home State)...there really wasn't much worth remembering about that film.

But hey...to each thier own.