Soo Who got a Wii? Who got a PS3? did you have riots too?

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:57 am

Hey hey hey, now give the PS3 a break, even though Sony went a little too far on this one, the system has just came out a few weeks ago so its not fair to go and say get a 360 cause it has more of a solid library of games already out, almost all the games for the 360 is gonna be out for the PS3. On top of that I look at the long run, in about 5 or 6 years tops, the 360 power will be outdated and soon PC ports will come out for the PS3 instead cause it can handle more. Just like the orginal Xbox did with the PS2 in viseversa, I got a little upset cause of how underpower the PS2 is and unable to get some of these great PC games (mostly shooters) for the PS2 because it too weak to play it. I look at most PS2 games that tried really hard to make the graphics really good and failed because as a result the game has graphic glitches and choppy framerate, 2 xample of these are Killzone and Max Payne 2 which I have. Max Payne 2 for PS2 had terrible textureing!! but it was the companies fault for not taking more time to port it right by making some changes to try to make it identical to the PC version. I must say I am still impress of how the PS2 is peforming with some of the games, while texturing is still bad, the polygons and character models looks superb. The best looking game for PS2 that Ive seen in terms of texture, particle bouncing, physics and particle effects all at the same time is AREA 51. Anyway, sometimes I wish I had a xbox cause some of PC versions of the game I cant run as good on my PC, while the xbox they fixed it up just for it.

In anyway the PS3 is reason why it is so much more expensive is not only because of blue ray, but because it uses newer technology than the 360 and Wii, look at the 9 cell processors for example, who the hell has heard of that? Who even has that on their PC? The PS3 first launch of games looks better than what the 360s who hum looking first launch of games. Plus I still tell people, that a PS3 is still a pretty good price for what it has, a blue ray cost $1000, well you get that and be able to play games for all three PS3, PS2 and PSX, aswell still being able to watch regular DVD movies, browse the internet (even though its slow). All this for 2/3 of the price you pay just for blue ray. I think thats a good deal and if I had the money I would buy it, not right of way becuase of the glitches it still has.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:42 pm

Sounds like Shadow Wulf is a PS3 fanboy who believes that the crazy numbers in the systems specs will make good on all of the insane promises they made...even though no one has proved it yet.

The 360 is far closer to PC architecture than the unconventionally configured Sony Machine, and naturally better suited and more easily capable of doing admirable ports of good PC games. Also...if you think the PS3 is far ahead of PC hardware, I think you will be suprised by how quickly some new PC technology makes it's performance obsolete. I suspect that it will only take about a year before Ports of new PC games will need to be downscaled to be ported to either 360 or PS3. (I think some games are already dancing on that line, like Crysis.)

I want a PS3 ... it looks really cool ... but I have no doubt that for the time being the price is not worth it, and the actual performance of the system is not even coming close to what the numbers say it is supposed to do.

...besides...there are some really good games already available for the X-Box360. It's a good system, (as much as I hate to admit it), so there is no reason to snap at me for saying it would be a good idea to buy one. Honestly...I would love it if everyone bought a Wii Console instead. Nintendo has had trouble with getting good 3rd party support over the last few years because the developers did not believe there was enough market share there, but that would change if more people bought them...the market goes where the customers are. ...but if not, right now, the 360 will give you a great deal more satisfaction for your dollars than the "broken promises" machine that Sony has right now. I really think it is the better option for Non-Nintendo Fans and for those looking to buy More than one console (in addition to a Wii).

Of course...you are free to disagree with me. ...is there a reason why you are against the purchase of a 360 besides hating Microsoft (which I do too)?

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:09 pm

The problem right now is the only games the wii has that are good, are downloaded ones that were on the gamecube and N64 I hope they good some good games soon, or else I wasted my money *but ill never admit it cause twilight princess was soooo worth it*!!!! I think with the new controller they could have an interesting Resident Evil game, along with some good sword fighting one (i heard red storm or whatever sucked).

I know what you mean about the 360 vuldari, it has the power of Microsoft behind it and some very good games *LIKE GEARS OF WAR!!!!!!!* and I am having a hard time determining wich one is better

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:11 pm

Fenrir wrote:The problem right now is the only games the wii has that are good, are downloaded ones that were on the gamecube and N64 I hope they good some good games soon, or else I wasted my money *but ill never admit it cause twilight princess was soooo worth it*!!!! I think with the new controller they could have an interesting Resident Evil game, along with some good sword fighting one (i heard red storm or whatever sucked).

I know what you mean about the 360 vuldari, it has the power of Microsoft behind it and some very good games *LIKE GEARS OF WAR!!!!!!!* and I am having a hard time determining wich one is better

Yeah..."Red Steel" was supposed to be a killer app, but the controls apparently drag it down too much because you turn way too slowly.

Rayman is actually really fun, and has a great sense of style and humor. ExiteTruck is not as ambitious as it could have been, but it controls surprisingly well and both my brother and I really get a kick out of it. I've not played any other Wii games yet, so I can only relay the reviews from websites and magazines.

...except for Wii-Sports. The game is almost insultingly simplistic in places, but it is one of the best "five minutes of fun" games I've ever played. It's just fun.

Otherwise, the launch lineup of both the Wii and PS3 is slim pickings for genuinely good gameplay options. (though both are backwards compatable, so If you don't have a PS2 or GameCube yet, both will open up the previous consoles libraries to you.)

I'm waiting patiently for the next BIG Wii game to get exited about... Not the least of which being "Mario Galaxy", "Metroid Prime 3: Corruption", and "Smash Bros. :Brawl"...

Also... about a "Resident Evil" game, and I can confirm that there is a RE game in development as we speak designed specifically for Wii (separate from the ones being made for the other next-gen consoles).

It's only a matter of time before someone gets the Sword Fighting mechanic down. ...maybe in a StarWars Lightsaber game...

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:54 pm

OH WOW!!!! i REALLY REALLY REALLY want to play a lightsabre one

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:57 pm

Oh god I know it will be a year or two for the PC to catch up, but I am telling you, the PS3 is more powerful than a 360. And I dont really think a PS3 is a broken promise, true some of the things they said it was gonna have didnt come with it, but what makes you say that the PS3 doesnt peform of what the specs are suppose to say it does? And while yes Im a bit of Sony fanboy, but I like all systems including microsoft. And right now Sony still has most of the third party supporters in its hands, so I think its gonna do well once it lowers down in price. Give it a year and you'll see alot more people buying a PS3. The 360 did came out a year ahead just like the PS2 did so it gives it a big league, the difference is that the PS3 had great games to start off with from the beggining unlike the 360 where it was just good but not great in the beggining. But yeah I like all systems, but I have high hopes for the PS3, just like all the xbox owners had high hopes for their systems and they had it hard in the beggining with Halo being the only game that they can stand on at the time.

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:30 pm

Shadow Wulf wrote:but what makes you say that the PS3 doesnt peform of what the specs are suppose to say it does?

Because absolutely nothing on PS3 so far looks better than the 360, and some (like the Gundam game) look like PS2 games.

Shadow Wulf wrote:...the difference is that the PS3 had great games to start off with from the beginning unlike the 360

such as?...oh yeah...Resistance and...wait...that's it. 'Holy Halo Batman'... speaking of which...

Shadow Wulf wrote: But yeah I like all systems, but I have high hopes for the PS3, just like all the xbox owners had high hopes for their systems and they had it hard in the beginning with Halo being the only game that they can stand on at the time.

Exactly...Wait until it's worth it. Resistance is not nearly as big or exiting as Halo was for the original X-Box launch. Unless that game is worth $600 to you, there is really no reason to try to buy a PS3 now.

A year from now, things will change, and the fates of Sony and Nintendo's consoles will begin to become clear. Microsoft has a very solid fanbase now, and arguably the best Online gaming experience available, so they are well on their way to making that machine a financial success. I don't see either Nintendo or Sony or the two combined crushing them out of the market any time soon. Still...it will be very interesting to see what happens in the next 12 months.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:36 am

Vuldari wrote: Because absolutely nothing on PS3 so far looks better than the 360, and some (like the Gundam game) look like PS2 games.

Thats because the PS3 just came out, the first games to come out for the 360 in the first few weeks looked like xbox graphics for the most part.

Vuldari wrote: such as?...oh yeah...Resistance and...wait...that's it. 'Holy Halo Batman'... speaking of which...

Thats better than 360s first FPS Perfect Dark Zero, at first I didnt really like any of the games when the 360 came out so yeah all systems dont get the really good games going until a few months after release, I thought you knew that about the other systems Vuldari. And also you should know that its not the games that are out now that only counts, its the games that will be out.

Vuldari wrote: Exactly...Wait until it's worth it. Resistance is not nearly as big or exiting as Halo was for the original X-Box launch. Unless that game is worth $600 to you, there is really no reason to try to buy a PS3 now.

Granted, but for the longest time thats the only thing that xbox had on any system the PS3 has several good games ready to launch soon already.

Vuldari wrote: A year from now, things will change, and the fates of Sony and Nintendo's consoles will begin to become clear. Microsoft has a very solid fanbase now, and arguably the best Online gaming experience available, so they are well on their way to making that machine a financial success. I don't see either Nintendo or Sony or the two combined crushing them out of the market any time soon. Still...it will be very interesting to see what happens in the next 12 months.

This might be the end of nintendo if it sales like its last system, as where Sony will be a tough competitor to beat because they make everything else just about, they can easily regain money. Last generation the PS2 was shurely winning and the Xbox wouldnt be able to catch up in time, but it was catching up to the PS2 sales. But dont get me wrong, Im still strongly considering a 360 or Wii just so I can have the best games on each systems.

Lukas · Post by **Lukas** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:41 am

you can this and that about all 3 systems but really it looks like the wii is going to be a a powerhouse for now untel PS3 catchs up, it gonna take awhile for them, and you can say that Xbox360 dint have GREAT game in teh beginning whichs is true but look now, we have: gears of war, dead rising, prey, Spliter cell:double agant,hitman contracts, etc. and we have more on teh way like: a resident evil for 360!, biosphere from the shell shock serious, and other stuff, also you have also heard that with teh releases of LOTR RTS , it has a control setup extermly well tuned for a RTS and the 3rd C&C:tiberum wars is coming out for Xbox360 in the future, so Xbox 360 has some huge advanatages in games, online, and future relaeases

deruty · Post by **deruty** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:57 pm

You have to agree that Xbox so far has the upper hand when it comes to online play. (that is unless the PS3 or PS2 had online play <I honestly never heard of it>)
I've heard some bad stuff about nintendo's online system and how it is abnormally slow.
Well anyway back to the MAIN topic

There was only one mugging in my area which seems to be pretty good considering how bad it was in other places...especially that place where a guy ran into a pole whilst trying to get a PS3.

On another note I couldn't possibly get any of those consoles. My TV just stinks to bad to run anything that would actually look different than my Xbox.
(*cough* yeah its really old....like 15+ years old )

Vuldari · Post by **Vuldari** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:34 pm

Shadow Wulf wrote:This might be the end of nintendo if it sales like its last system, as where Sony will be a tough competitor to beat because they make everything else just about, they can easily regain money. Last generation the PS2 was shurely winning and the Xbox wouldnt be able to catch up in time, but it was catching up to the PS2 sales. But dont get me wrong, Im still strongly considering a 360 or Wii just so I can have the best games on each systems.

You underestimate Nintendo. They are not exactly a little, localized, second tier company. Last I heard, they have a HUGE War Chest, which essentially means that if they needed to spend alot of money to purchase new technology, or third party developers, they are perfectly capable of doing so. ...they just do things their own way. Like the DS vs. the PSP, the sales so far on the Wii are showing very strong support right off the bat, even with the shinier PS3 to distract potential buyers and 360s selling for as little as $199.99 in some special deals, after rebates. (something surely done to draw attention away from the competition)

Nintendo knows what it's doing. And since Nintendo is currently selling every Wii console at a PROFIT, instead of a loss like Sony and Microsoft, they don't have to play a game of catch-up with their software sales...the money is already rolling in to the Big N's bank accounts.

With arguably the best Zelda game ever made available at launch, and more of Nintendo's big guns looming on the near horizon, (Mario, Metroid, SmashBros. etc.), consumer enthusiasm is hardly lacking for the little white console that could.

deruty wrote:I've heard some bad stuff about nintendo's online system and how it is abnormally slow.
Well anyway back to the MAIN topic

Sadly, that much is true. I thought it was supposed to be connected all the time, but to get to the online store, I feel like I'm waiting for a dial-up modem to connect before the Virtual-Console store page even appears. ...very frustrating. Browsing pages, online or offline, seems frustratingly slow too. You have to wait a second every time you click a button on the systems options menu, and then when you want to return to the main screen, you have to wait a good 4-7 seconds on a loading screen before it appears again. That's not exactly an eternity, but it's frustrating because you cant think of any reason why it pages so slowly...and all those pauses become really frustrating when you are searching for something and don't remember where it is.

I wish the UI was a little bit smoother, but otherwise it is easy to understand and works. (I hope some of these issues are resolved in future firmware updates).

On riots and such...

I don't remember hearing anything serious happening in my aria. ...the worst I heard was a little girl who stole a Wii-mote from a Wii Demo at a nearby store. Otherwise, the crowd outside of the target where I bought my Wii Console was quite calm and civil. A little nervous about whether we would all get one or not, and shivering from the cold...but otherwise in good spirits.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:23 pm

The only great game for the Wii now is that Zelda game.