The Thought That Constantly Plagues My Mind

[Figarou]

why ask why?


Mankind can't explain anything without 1st studying it.

We know we exist.

I bet some questions are not meant to be answered. And some will be difficult to answer no matter how hard we study it. The things we learned may not be "what it seems."

Its sometimes best to live your life without asking yourself "why?"

[Shadow Wulf]

Figarous right,

You shouldnt keep asking yourself "Why?", that road leads to madness.

Life is like a road itself with full of ifferent paths, you just have to take what ever path you chose to take and never look back. Asking yourself "Why? " Is looking back at the very beginning.

We all have a purpose in life, but they dont come to us, you have to find it yourself.

[White Paw]

Who knows, who cares. Just live your life and be happy.. thats all that matters.

[MattSullivan]

You exist...because a man and a woman had sex many years ago.

And GOD, what a depressing thing. Go see a therapist!

[Vuldari]

The Universe and Matter exist.

Given enough time, something eventually happens from that matter interacting with other matter around it, and those reactions only get increasingly complex as time goes on.


Things "Matter" because we believe they do. We make a conscious choice to do things we like and avoid things we don't because, by some means or another, we are all entities of free thinking consciousness and we have the ability to do that.

"I think, therefore I am".


Why is it important to be alive? ...because you would be sad if the people around you were not alive, and you are happy that they are. What more reason does anyone need?


No one needs any cosmic, fundamentally scientific, or Deitys REASON for existing. The circumstances of each of our own creation was beyond our own control, and is really not relevant to this question.


You continue to exist because you make the conscious choice to prolong your own existence. You do this because, in spite of the struggles and pains of life, you enjoy being alive, you take pleasure from the opportunity to do things that make you happy, and you do not want to die.


That is why you exist, that is why we all live, and that is all the reason anyone and anything needs.




'The Meaning of Life' = (The opportunity for...) "The Pursuit of Happiness"

[Kzinistzerg]

Why do we exist?
Because of Darwinian evolution.

Why does everything else exist?
Because, in order for us as we are to exist, everything has to have happened the way it did. Else we as we are would not be here. Why aren't we different? Because then we wouldn't be "us". It's a me-centered viewpoint but a very valid one.

[MoonKit]

You're right that there is no higher purpose for us and that in the end, it wont really matter what we do. But its a good thing...can you feel the weight lifting off your shoulders. Just relax and try to enjoy life for what it is.

[Timber-WoIf]

You exist...because a man and a woman had sex many years ago.

And GOD, what a depressing thing. Go see a therapist!

i would give u an award for that answer, but i dun have any. some1 should though.

..anyway. As far as the pointlessness of life, dont look on such a grand scale. Although you can't change the ultimate fate of the whole universe, you CAN impact the lives of those around you today.

life, on a grand scale, is pretty much a gaint, drawn out, overly complicated chemical reaction.

The perpose of life is simly to live. for me, that means enjoying myself. not worrying.

you natural perpose is to reproduce, so that life may continue.

,,,just little tidbits b4 i go to bed zZzZzZzZzZz...

[Fenrir]

I exsist so i can shuv my foot up nonexsitance's a**

and 42

[Shadow Wulf]

I exsist so i can shuv my foot up nonexsitance's a**

and 42

Damn I was going to say that number!

[Kaebora]

Our planet is just a small aftershock fart from the original big bang. We're really really tiny. We have ALL this space to ourselves, yet we can't use it yet.

[Figarou]

and most of u guys did exactly wat i thought u would....confuse "what is the meaning of life" with "y is there existance?" but i cant blame ya, i didnt assume anybody would know wat i was talking about. but i definatley wasnt asking wat is the meaning of life or wat you do with it.

Life is what you make of it, Z.


Or you can do like Mikey and eat it.

http://www.lifecereal.com/LFE_LifeThrou ... ikesIt.cfm

[Figarou]

Life is what you make of it, Z.

i also didnt ask "what is life?" nor "what should i do with it?" nor "what are we suppose to do with life?"

You're suppose to eat it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYEXzx-TINc

[Teh_DarkJokerWolf]

Jokes aside, Wat I had said from our convo to Z maybe we are part of something bigger. Maybe we are a species being tested by an even more advance species then maybe that species is a test for another an so on. WHo knows where it would end. May this world is like say Stargate SG1. Maybe we are just one of many worlds out there that have life. We might be the lesser advanced an there may even be a lesser advance species than ourselves. I tend to believe when people see flying saucers they are indeed seeing something. Maybe they aren't lil green guys with black eyes. Maybe they are advanced humans. They come here so often to see our progress an see what we are doing to the world. How we are holding up to the changes we have made an how badly humans have screwed themselves over the years causing countless wars an deaths upon each other. Maybe these advanced beings are watching us just waiting for us to destroy ourselves, then they make a new planet, start a new species an new race. Is there a god, maybe, but not the kind that everyone thinks of if they read the bible. Human have labelled themselves as well as the wildanimals that live among us an an domesticated animals as well.

The net we use is prollie child's play to them. We are a speck of dust to them. The reason we prollie rarely see any ufo's hardly today. back then people would freak an yes some still do. Some people try to reason out what it is, but they can't Area 51? is that even real? Do they have aliens there? Doubtful, but who knows. So much is hidden from us. Why hide these things? Maybe they are sapposed to do this. Maybe it's an order, but why then would anyone know if this place? To keep people from finding the truth? Perhaps even Area 51 is a place where these advanced beings live? Who knows, but you can't help but wonder. Do we truly have a purpose? What is our destiny? What is the meaning of everything? Are some of us meant to be troubled? Are some of us meant to be rich an famous? Maybe all this is written down somewhere already. Everything is already known, but we the ones who live the life don't know a thing. Perhaps it's sapposed to remain a secret. To wonder about such a thing, to me is rather interesting, because no one really knows, no mater how much science an study they do. No one truly knows a damn thing lol

[Figarou]

You exist...because a man and a woman had sex many years ago.

that answers "how is it that i exist" not "why is it that i exist" and definately not "why is it that there was a man and woman at all to begin with"

again......why ask why?


Do you think the right answer is here? I said it once...I'll say it again.


"Its sometimes best to live your life without asking yourself "why?"


It leads to further confusion if you ask "why" and someone tries to answer. That "answer" may not be the one you are looking for.

We "still" don't know everything about ourselves. What you are asking is impossible to answer. That or you'll get many different types of answers.

Life (human exsistance) is a mystery. Is Mankind meant to know all the answers to it?

There might be some things we humans don't want to know. What if we found out the human race was created by aliens from another planet that used us for food? What will everyone think?

[Kirk Hammett]

Wow I love philosophy so much! And pondering about this!!

it all makes me realize how stupid and pointless life is. no matter what you do you're gonna die anyway. no matter what anybody does the human race will die out someday, like everything before us has. and then eventually the earth will be gone in someway or another, perhaps someday the entire galaxy will be sucked into a blackhole. and then everything will start all over. for nothing.. everything we learned, everything anybody or anything ever achieved...gone without a trace.

This isn't what those questions make me think at all. I guess I'm fairly optimistic. I'd like to try and tell you there is a huge purpose to life, all life, everywhere, but I can't tell you the answers. I just want you to be happy and remember, if there was no life, there would be no Sabre!

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As for my thoughts on this. The most annoying thing is trying to think about what we are -really- perceiving. Since dogs, cats, flies and fish see something different to us. (Imagine we are all looking at a bit of seaweed. We all see it differently, having different biology, being different species...the fish, the mammal, etc, and intra species...within species...we also see it different).

So what DOES the seaweed REALLY look like? Is it colourless? Is science simply just a surface, what is beneath the 'pigments absorbing and reflecting but one or two colours'? Is it invisible? Is science wrong? (Most likely there is a lot wrong in science. Like religion, even science is difficult to prove. Therefore I remain agnostic to a lot of science, and to all religion. I view with an open questioning mind).

So...is this question fruitless...because since nobody can perceive it as it really is, then is there really a true form? Or are there many forms? Because who is right? The fish, or the mammal, or God? But God sees it differently than us too, is he or she really seeing it?

See how annoying and frustrating and still ultimately amazing that question is??

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So why are we here? And why question our existance? Because we're curious and we have every right to. Yet it's important to still enjoy life for what it is; a mystery, full of love, fun, misery and ... un...fun... ...anyway yeah my point being, it's nice to ponder but still live life.

As for what started life...well, I like to think about perhaps a God or god(s)/ess(s) started the Universe and then we evolved...but being agnostic, this is just one idea, since no scientist has any clue about the big bang. I believe in evolution, but what started it off? And why?

Maybe everything is completely cyclic. But my view is, there are many, many, more than anything we can perceive as humans or imagine, things that...well the human mind cannot perceive. And we can't perceive the number of things we can't perceive and understand. What happens when we die? Well, we all try and think outside the box, but we are limited on just how outside the box we can think, because all we have experienced is this one planet among billions among trillions to the power of trillions of stars, in a universe which we don't see the edge even though science says it thinks it has, and what's outside that edge...but then Universe stands for 'everything' so there can never be the term 'Outside the Universe". Since everything 'outside' must also be part of the Universe.

People might say we become spirits. And as you said, what is nothingness? I don't think we can perceive what nothingness is. Because if you think about this, if you die and become nothing, how can it be nothing when we aren't thinking when we are dead, because our brains don't work? I don't believe we just see nothing. I believe in 'life after death'. But then again I can't begin to guess until I myself die. Would it not be utterly boring to be in nothing? But...we can't perceive boredom when it's nothing!!!!

[Midnight]

Whenever I hear the question "why?" I always start thinking: "why not?"

But seriously, Z... your question is one of the ones that have bamboozled thinkers and kept big-name philosophers supplied with absinthe money for decades, maybe centuries now... as a boring bloke from the provincial end of a country most of the world doesn't know about I can't even start to speculate on the answer...

[Lycanthrope]

I'm not certain if I understood your question, but it seems that it's the same that came to my mind in the past. The problem with such topics is that they're too abstract. So abstract, that it's hard to talk about them without losing some part of their true meaning. In such topics none questions can be answered, but only new can be asked.

Countless men of science have been analysing natural occuriences and patterns to discover the rules that govern them. Recent decades were by all means succesful. The biologists explained the possible origins of life arising from unanimate matter. The physicists found out that matter, energy and dimensions interact in a complicated dance, manifesting as life, weather, stars or black holes. I wouldn't be suprised if everything turned out to be created from some unconcievable prime element.

The problem with nothingness is that there is nothing in it that could be percieved - no such element. Lack of energy in it would imply that it's black, but there are also no dimensionss to put a beholder in. The question I've been asking myself is "Can there actually be nothing?". If there was nothing it would give lots of place for rise of something. At this point I experienced an equivalent of a mental car crash. Perceived existance slams in full speed into conception of perfect, logical nothingness.

Once again, humans aren't able to analyse something they can't relate to anything and cornerstones of creation seem to be such thing. Maybe C'thulhu & co. could, bot not humans. I'm afraid I can't provide you an answer. It would be pretty amusing to find that a random person on the Internet knows the answer to the ultimate question (Or the ultimate question itself, as some Douglas Adams' fans might point out). Just so you know, many people thought about it as well and ended up with a headache.

EDIT: So many words and it doesn't seem that I said anything you needed. I apologise for that.

[DarkShadow]

Who knows what really goes on out there. the human race could be a messed up science experiment by some other species that bypass us in a lot of ways. but then again, how would they exist?

[Silverclaw]

Yeah, I think about this kindof stuff to from time to time. Its completely crazy when you think about it long enough. Who knows where anything came from. I dont think even if their was an answer, that humans could even comprehend the magnitude of it all. Its mind boogling to think about just how massize the universe is, and if it even has an end. Its just completely out of our league, as of now, to know how anything at all came to exsist. How can their be a place with no color, light, dark, mass, time or space? Crazy....
Maybe if their is an afterlife, we will get to find these things out. Thats the only possiable way I can think of that anyone will ever find out. Or at least have a better understanding of it.

On a slightly offtopic note; I find the String Theroy to be very interesting. I couldnt even begin to explain what thats about, so wikipedia it to find out more.

Sorry I couldnt be more helpful; but if ANY human could answer this, I'd be very surprised

[Vuldari]

How/Why does the universe exist?


That is a silly question.


The concept of "Why" only exists as a companion to conscious will or intent. There is no "WHY". As you said yourself, even if you say God created the universe, then where did HE come from?


There is no reason for anything to exist...no greater cosmic purpose for atoms and particles and light and gravity to exist. It is a bizarre thing to ask how or why these things exist. I mean...how could "Existence" NOT EXIST?


No one and nothing created the Universe and everything in it. The Universe Exists out of the pure logic that it is not possible for it to NOT exist.


As for how and why the first organic organism came to exist on earth where there were no organic things before...that is explainable through logic and science. It would take me a long time to explain, but trust me when I say, I understand that part, and it does make sense once you know how it works.


In fact, understanding how the first organic compound came into existence, and how and why its presence resulted in countless duplications of that compound, and later more complex, random variations of it is very helpful in understanding just how Darwin 'Evolution' works the way it does...and proving through the application of logical process that is DOES in fact work that way. It just makes sense, especially if you think about it from such a deep, base level.



...and as I said before..."WHY" is an abstract concept that comes out of the existence of a conscious mind. Things only began happening for reasons after the first conscious mind gained the ability to "choose" to do something.

Before that, there was no reason for anything. Things just happen, (at the very base), because particles are bumping into other particles, and the shifting pattern as a result is the ever changing universe. "Radiation", "Growth", "Decay"...they are just particles moving, collecting, or separating. "Energy" is just the Abundance or Lack of MOTION amongst the particles.


Now...HOW what is essentially an organic computer (the brain) evolved the capacity to think freely, and become a true consciousness with the ability to choose...to "Like" or "Dislike"...is one concept that still eludes me. My Mind is not quite intelligent enough to comprehend itself.

("Gravity", "Magnetism", and the solidity of Matter...why atoms, that are supposedly made up of spinning particles with space between don't just pass through each other, or let their electrons fly off instead of orbiting the nucleus...are three other things that still confound me. I think those three are likely all related, somehow.)

[Aki]

Read this

Got it, right?

So. Universe goes kaput. There is NOTHING. But ...eventually, stuff pops back up and universe restarts, right? That's probably how it originally happened. It makes you wonder how many times it might've happened, too. We could be the nth reincarnation of the universe... or the first....

[Kirk Hammett]

The only thing I have to add on top of that giant thing I wrote before is...H P Lovecraft is cool.

And...the String Theory is interesting. And I can't explain it either.

[Vuldari]

but why is there existance at all? and wouldnt there have to have been nonexistance before existance in order for it to qualify as existing? wat is the cause for existance? and i know how and why the first organism came to exist. but i wanna track back and know why the circumstances ever came together at all to allow this? even if we explain it as "just a bunch of random stuff that happens and then sumthin else sumtimes comes out it that" it still wouldnt explain why random stuff has to happen at all.

Again...the concept of "WHY" is an abstract concept of human comprehension, and does not exist in a tangible form in the universe.

There is no "Why".


...and no, it is a fundamental truth of physics and existence that matter and energy can not be created or destroyed. If there was "Nothing" at some point in ancient past, then what was the "Something" that is here now created from? The only logical assumption is that it has always been here.

The fact that a Fish is incapable of comprehending the workings of a SuperComputer running next to it's fish tank, does not make it's existence any less real to that fish. The fact that it is beyond both yours an my comprehension that the universe never had a beginning, but has existed infinitely, does not make it any less true.


There was never a point where the universe had an opportunity to exist or not to exist. For there to be any force to cause that to happen, something would have to already exist to cause or miss that opportunity, and therefore you must assume existence already was and the question is no longer a question at all.


42 = The Answer to "Life. .. the Universe ... and Everything"


Though presented as a joke, I think the concept behind this is fundamentally correct. A NUMBER was presented as the answer because, really, it would be as correct as any other possible answer you could possibly give. There is no answer, because there is no question.

"Why" is only a figment of your imagination, unless your imagination inspired you to take an action to cause something to happen.

Where there are no imaginative minds, there are no "Why"s...and yet stuff happens anyway, simply because it is fundamentally impossible for things NOT to happen.


There is only a "WHY" if you are there to create one. ...if not...it still is anyway...just without a Why.

[Kirk Hammett]

Note that I am copying all of your answers to my personal diary. Don't worry; it isn't a public diary and your name is under it.

I keep a diary for my future children. And I like philosophy and find this very interesting.