Werewolf NAzis?

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:57 pm

Well, we all know that NAzis make great villains. And, I was wondering, "Why not apply the
Stupid Jetpack Hitler trope to werewolves? It would work seeing as:
A) The NAzis were somewhat involved in the occult (If you don't beleive me, look up the "Thule Society")
B) The whole "master race" thing
C) The fact that the SS werre called "Werewolves".

So, what do you think of the idea of using NAzi (or Neo-Nazi) werewolves as villains?

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:42 pm

Dreamer wrote:

So, what do you think of the idea of using NAzi (or Neo-Nazi) werewolves as villains?

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:59 pm

It's also already been done. Twice. First by Hellsing and a second time in a spoof trailer in Grindhouse.

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:21 pm

Why not? If they do a good job of it, I don't care. It's a motif that's been used before, sure, but that doesn't mean it can't be done again quite well.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:43 pm

Renorei wrote:Why not? If they do a good job of it, I don't care. It's a motif that's been used before, sure, but that doesn't mean it can't be done again quite well.

That'll never happen and you know it.

Renorei · Post by **Renorei** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:46 pm

Figarou wrote:
Renorei wrote:Why not? If they do a good job of it, I don't care. It's a motif that's been used before, sure, but that doesn't mean it can't be done again quite well.
That'll never happen and you know it.

Well...it certainly hasn't happened yet. But you never know. Maybe someday.

10 years ago, I'd have said that nobody would ever make a movie that showed the werewolves' side of the story, or showed werewolves as anything other than cursed, slobbering monsters. But then, along came Freeborn (if it ever gets made).

Wonders never cease. [/i]

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:49 pm

Renorei wrote:
Well...it certainly hasn't happened yet. But you never know. Maybe someday.

10 years ago, I'd have said that nobody would ever make a movie that showed the werewolves' side of the story, or showed werewolves as anything other than cursed, slobbering monsters. But then, along came Freeborn (if it ever gets made).

Wonders never cease. [/i]

And whats Freeborn based off of? Fan input!

We wouldn't be here right now discussing "What should a werewolf be."

Now...would we?

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:27 pm

Renorei wrote: Well...it certainly hasn't happened yet. But you never know. Maybe someday.

10 years ago, I'd have said that nobody would ever make a movie that showed the werewolves' side of the story, or showed werewolves as anything other than cursed, slobbering monsters. But then, along came Freeborn (if it ever gets made).

Wonders never cease. [/i]

You mean "along came Devoured." And shortly following, along game "No! No! Not another retarded werewolf movie!" and finally, then along came Freeborn.

And that link Figarou provided was the trailer for the fake movie in Grindhouse I was talking about. The whole movie was, in all fairness, intentionally horrible, but then again, if generic Hollywood did try to make a Nazi werewolf movie, that's most likely what it would have come out looking like.

Defensorem Lupus · Post by **Defensorem Lupus** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:38 am

Do not get me wrong but this is quite an interesting concept. What will make it even more interesting would be if they made the POV from the Nazi (Neo-Nazi) werewolf and have flashbacks going back to WWII. Just a thought but then again it may be a little off. But still an interesting concept.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:50 am

whoa whoa whoa.....hold on a sec!!!

I JUST remembered something.

THIS!!!
http://www.thepack.network/thepackboard ... php?t=1646

http://www.horrorsofwarmovie.com/

Defensorem Lupus · Post by **Defensorem Lupus** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:03 am

I guess they beat us to it. I most definitely have to check this movie. So now what happens?

JoshuaMadoc · Post by **JoshuaMadoc** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:15 am

No thanks.

I'd much rather see a werewolf nazi having to emotionally cope with killing his/her best friend/idol/mentor/whatever, like Erwin Rommel or Claus Von Stauffenberg than have people overlook Bruno Ganz's awesome hitler portrayal and keep thinking that all nazis are evil sons of bitches undyingly loyal to the Fuhrer. Unless it's for the funny, which would be quite the feat to perform for most people.

Neo-nazis... I dunno about them.

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:34 am

Um, I am unfamiliar with said portrayals. Could your explain your idea a bit further?

WereWolfBoy · Post by **WereWolfBoy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:36 am

yes please?

JoshuaMadoc · Post by **JoshuaMadoc** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:04 pm

Rommel was said to be a hardass among some of his men, but he's also popular even among his enemies because of his chivalry and his daring military feats. His death from forced suicide due to suspected links to the failed July 20 plot aimed to kill Hitler only strengthened his reputation.

Stauffenberg earned his reputation as a national hero because he's fiercely loyal to his country and the army he serves in, and sees Hitler as a liability because so many lives have been lost throughout the war. So he tried to orchestrate an assasination plot, also the same July 20 plot that got Rommel killed, and failed miserably. He was eventually found and executed, his last words being proud ones.

And here are some videos of Der Untergang. If you watch the whole movie, you'll find that Hitler is portrayed almost exactly as he is, and not as a parody of evil.

These 2 people plus Bruno Ganz's realistic portrayal of the Fuhrer has convinced me enough that the Nazis are just like any other army comprised of any other flawed human being, and that should allow for more flexibility when it comes to portrayal. Just imagine what would happen if you add realistically portrayed werewolves (meaning no canned evil) who knew these people directly and intimately.

Figarou · Post by **Figarou** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:46 pm

kitetsu wrote: And here are some videos of Der Untergang. If you watch the whole movie, you'll find that Hitler is portrayed almost exactly as he is, and not as a parody of evil.

Heh...someone took footage from that film and poked fun at the HD-DVD Blu-ray war.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ywWfmRdOmJ0

(Read the sub-titles.)

Dreamer · Post by **Dreamer** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:27 pm

kitetsu wrote:Rommel was said to be a hardass among some of his men, but he's also popular even among his enemies because of his chivalry and his daring military feats. His death from forced suicide due to suspected links to the failed July 20 plot aimed to kill Hitler only strengthened his reputation.

Stauffenberg earned his reputation as a national hero because he's fiercely loyal to his country and the army he serves in, and sees Hitler as a liability because so many lives have been lost throughout the war. So he tried to orchestrate an assasination plot, also the same July 20 plot that got Rommel killed, and failed miserably. He was eventually found and executed, his last words being proud ones.

And here are some videos of Der Untergang. If you watch the whole movie, you'll find that Hitler is portrayed almost exactly as he is, and not as a parody of evil.

These 2 people plus Bruno Ganz's realistic portrayal of the Fuhrer has convinced me enough that the Nazis are just like any other army comprised of any other flawed human being, and that should allow for more flexibility when it comes to portrayal. Just imagine what would happen if you add realistically portrayed werewolves (meaning no canned evil) who knew these people directly and intimately.

That actually is a very interesting point. I'll have to remember that for when I'm writing a story set in World War II

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:08 pm

An excellent point is made here. Nazis are a real-world example of how easily we polarize our thinking in terms of "good versus evil." Make no mistake; the Nazi regime was evil. The horrors they committed collectively continue to haunt humanity three generations later. Twelve million people were brutally murdered in the name of pseudoscience and racial hatred, and millions more slaughtered in a war that ultimately involved at least peripherally the majority of humanity. None-the-less, each individual Nazi was a person. Some were brainwashed into the regime, while others joined, because at the time, it seemed to be a good thing that could rebuild a fallen economy--such individuals often learned only gradually that their would-be great strength was turning into a run-away terror, coercing them more and more into committing horrific atrocities.

It's easy to look back and think that anyone who ever bothered to put on a Nazi uniform was evil. But, in 1935 or so, before the genocide began, it might have seemed to be simply a rather highly conservative government movement that emphasized collectivity over individualism and national pride over personal wealth. And, when everyone else is voting them into power, it's pretty darned hard to speak out and say that you don't like where this could go.

Another point that often gets overlooked is that the Nazis were only the third worst evil human history has faced in terms of total number massacred. Number two was Mao Zedong's regime in China, whose government is still in place today and coming under fire for cracking down on Tibet monk protesters. (They're saying that the Dalai Lama is inciting violence. That's patently absurd when one considers that the Dalai Lama is one of the planet's biggest pacifists. Accusing him of inciting violence is like blaming trees for global warming.) Number one is the regime of Josef Stalin, and those of us in the U.S. and Great Britain--our governments allied with him. Not that we endorsed his atrocities; I just bring that up when people point fingers at Japan and Italy--though Mussolini wasn't exactly up there with Venice or da Vinci in Italy's great contributions to history, either. The point is, the Nazi regime was terrible, but it was hardly a monopoly of evil.

Even the American government tried its hand at "relocation camps" of Japanese citizens, though, thankfully, we never got to the gas chamber stage before the madness stopped. But, who is to say that it couldn't have, had things happened just slightly differently? That's why Guatanamo Bay, anti-Islamic rhetoric in America today, and the profiling of people in airports scares me. Any time someone has to debate whether or not torture is justifiable--wake the F*** up, people! Torture is never a good idea! That's why we call it torture!

Black Claw · Post by **Black Claw** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:53 am

Not trying to get off subject, does this mean that there is more than likely that soviets could be werewolves????????

JoshuaMadoc · Post by **JoshuaMadoc** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:29 am

Scott Gardener wrote:Any time someone has to debate whether or not torture is justifiable--wake the F*** up, people! Torture is never a good idea! That's why we call it torture!

I doubt you'd be able to say that again with a straight face if we lived in dystopian times.

RedEye · Post by **RedEye** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:37 pm

Ahhh...Scott, not to try to point fingers, but look at what the American government and people did to the American Indian. I'd actually rank that up with Stalin's murders or even Hitler's racism.
We deliberately tried to erase entire cultures and the identities those cultures harbored, simply because they were inconvenient...or in the wrong place, like the Cherokee.
According to the estimates (which vary wildly depending on who comissioned them) an average of two out of five Native Americans met with a deliberately planned death over the period from 1860 to 1940. That there are any left is more due to their resilience than anything else.

Now, how does this relate to Werewolf Nazi's? Methinks we're drifting...

Black Claw · Post by **Black Claw** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:50 am

Yes, and i like the support you gave to us RedEye about the american government against my people, but still if one group of people have them, doesn't almost every group have them. Look at the romans and Greeks, they had their stories about werewolves among them.

Scott Gardener · Post by **Scott Gardener** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:27 pm

Oops. I got us off topic. Sorry about that.

RedEye:
I won't dispute that atrocities were also committed against the Native Americans. Indeed, that just furthers my premise that there's plenty of atrocities going around. When I ranked Hitler #3 and put Stalin and Mao Zedong in the #1 and #2 spots respectively, I was basing it on head count, the total number of deaths involved. Given the opportunity, I'm sure plenty of people throughout history would have tried to beat them--Atilla the Hun, Vlad the Impaler, or perhaps some more obscure historic or contemporary figure, such as a local religious or political leader. But, Hitler, Stalin, and Zedong had huge budgets and the backing of millions upon millions of duped and disenfranchised people. That's how they could pull off their achievements.

MoonKit · Post by **MoonKit** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:18 pm

Back to the werewolves burning books guys.

Black Claw · Post by **Black Claw** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:37 pm

Hey let us talk about whatever we want to my friend or

IDK what your talking about werewolves burning books but that sounds interesting and i still like your comment Redeye. i told my dad and he was glad said something about that and he was glad you support us on that subject.

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