A debate on furries

Berserker · Post by **Berserker** » Sun May 18, 2008 9:08 pm

I will agree that furry seemed different a number of years ago. The more publicity it gets, and the bigger it gets thanks to the internet, its negative aspects will become more widespread and prominent. Just like what happened to Goth, otaku, and a bunch of other subcultures.

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Sun May 18, 2008 10:35 pm

alphanubilus wrote:however, as Lukas has pointed out as well as I have that it doesn't take anyone five seconds to find p*** of some sort on almost any furry related site.

That's because most furry websites have all their adult material in one location and clearly marked with a clickable icon, usually marked "Adult." And most furry websites do it out of respect for people that don't want to see adult content. It is surprisingly easy to find adult furry art, but only if you're looking for it.

See 2 the Ranting Gryphon: The Portal of Evil

Yes, FurAffinity.net has a nifty search engine that lets you search by sub-fetish category and even categorizes it into "tame" and "adult," but honestly, if you go to the website and click browse, then scroll down to "Bondage (Adult)," select "Monkey" off of the species categorizer and then click "Update," what the hell do you think is going to pop up?

Yes, furry porn is everywhere, but it's also clearly marked.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Sun May 18, 2008 11:07 pm

All I have to say is there are many more mundane perverts than furry perverts. Point being, there's creeps in every crowd, so avoid the weirdos and enjoy the people who aren't.

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Sun May 18, 2008 11:32 pm

perverts don't bother me.

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Mon May 19, 2008 1:05 am

[04:31] Ciaran: How does that bother you?
[04:32] Ciaran: If I said I had a fetish for vore would that give me a clear social disorder/
[04:32] Ciaran: ?*

Om nom nom nom.

(Sorry, had to)

Anyways, this anti-furry guy failed hard. I've had more intelligent debates about furries in a zombie mod for Half Life 2. It has an inordinate number of them for, well, a zombie mod. But even the furry haters I've run into on there aren't so dumb as to think harmless roleplaying is a mental disorder.

Psychiatry actively encourages such, last I checked. Play around, have fun. Be healthy mentally.

Terastas wrote:
alphanubilus wrote:however, as Lukas has pointed out as well as I have that it doesn't take anyone five seconds to find p*** of some sort on almost any furry related site.
That's because most furry websites have all their adult material in one location and clearly marked with a clickable icon, usually marked "Adult." And most furry websites do it out of respect for people that don't want to see adult content. It is surprisingly easy to find adult furry art, but only if you're looking for it.

See 2 the Ranting Gryphon: The Portal of Evil

Yes, FurAffinity.net has a nifty search engine that lets you search by sub-fetish category and even categorizes it into "tame" and "adult," but honestly, if you go to the website and click browse, then scroll down to "Bondage (Adult)," select "Monkey" off of the species categorizer and then click "Update," what the hell do you think is going to pop up?

Yes, furry p*** is everywhere, but it's also clearly marked.

Inexplicably, when I clicked that link, Firefox exploded.

I go "What the f..." and start up FF again. Works now.

I guess my browser couldn't take 2's sheer ranting rage and commited suicide before being forced to play it.

Midnight · Post by **Midnight** » Mon May 19, 2008 1:37 am

MattSullivan wrote:Here's my biggest problem. Pedophiles are taking over furry fandom.

I don't believe that for a moment: if anyone in the fandom was a known paedophile the sort of people who spread this "hate furries" crap would be screaming it from the rooftops. So far I haven't heard any such chorus.

But assuming for a moment that's actually true... If you know of any paedophiles operating in furry fandom, it is your duty to "dob them in" to the police... if you're not prepared to do that, then you're part of the problem, just like anyone else who thinks that visible criminal activity is "not their problem".

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Mon May 19, 2008 1:50 pm

The man who is running the Rocky Mountain furcon IS a three time convicted pedophile. How's that for a start?

Also, I must reiterate that not everyone in the fandom is a pedophile. GO BACK AND PAY ATTENTION TO MY PREVIOUS POSTS.

But if you really wanted proof, I could link you to a thousand or more example currently displayed on FA, just for starters. But I'm not gonna do that because then SOMEONE on this board will try and use that as an excuse to ban me.

Shadow Wulf · Post by **Shadow Wulf** » Mon May 19, 2008 2:33 pm

I can safely say one thing though, most of the people on FA are really into furry porn. And I seem to have noticed that furry porn makes artists popular faster and get more hits on their artwork. It cant help it but to be upset about this....

For those who have a FA account.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/830865/

Set · Post by **Set** » Mon May 19, 2008 3:19 pm

MattSullivan wrote:But if you really wanted proof, I could link you to a thousand or more example currently displayed on FA, just for starters.

You keep forgetting that fantasy =/= reality. What you THINK and what you DO are two completely different things. Just because someone likes cub porn doesn't mean they're going to do anything to real children, or for that matter, even LIKE real children, in any sense of the word.

(offtopic) Since when did "porn" become a word worthy of censorship, anyway? Do you fear the pr0n?

Sorry, but I mean really. Censoring words is silly. (The damn younglings know 'em anyway...) (/offtopic)

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Mon May 19, 2008 4:23 pm

Yech.....and I was thinking about going to RMFC.

Forget that. I wish the creeps and pervs would stay in their own dens rather than parading about as if they are just like the rest of us who just like to have fun and enjoy cute, clean art.

alphanubilus · Post by **alphanubilus** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:12 pm

Set wrote:
MattSullivan wrote:But if you really wanted proof, I could link you to a thousand or more example currently displayed on FA, just for starters.
You keep forgetting that fantasy =/= reality. What you THINK and what you DO are two completely different things. Just because someone likes cub p*** doesn't mean they're going to do anything to real children, or for that matter, even LIKE real children, in any sense of the word.

(offtopic) Since when did "p***" become a word worthy of censorship, anyway? Do you fear the pr0n? Sorry, but I mean really. Censoring words is silly. (The damn younglings know 'em anyway...) (/offtopic)

Actually that is not true. Any pshycologist is going to tell you that if a person dwells on an obsession long enough, they will act upon it. Some of the most notorious rape artists as well as child murderers started off just drawing pictures, and then escalated things from there. A person who is obsessed with a reality they've created soon loses all grasp of reality all together. This of course isn't just in Furry fandom... Megalomania comes in all forms and sizes.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:48 pm

People that are as closed minded and insulting as the person in the "debate" that was posted, are not interested in convincing the world that furries are the root of all evil. They only want to entice a proactive reaction out of the people they are insulting. There is a better way to face such a problem. Ignore them. You will never convince them otherwise, and chances are they are some underage pre-teen that still has the notion that they are the center of the universe, as all children do. By responding, you are fueling their ego. By ignoring them outright, you typically win by being the more mature one.

For example, if this thread becomes a pissing match, I'll lock it. Thusly forcing everyone to ignore the flaming, and we can continue to get along despite how different we all are.

For the record, any claims of being FOR pedophilia on these boards, or supporting it thereof, is against TOS and will result in a hearty ban to protect the younger visitors of this board. I am not aware of any furries on this board or that I know elsewhere that are even remotely interested in such a thing. It's far more rare than people realize. All furries I know personally that own any kind of admin position in a forum or in Second Life all take steps to kick out people that are like that. It's safe to say, nearly all furries look down on pedophiles as scum.

Terastas · Post by **Terastas** » Mon May 19, 2008 7:23 pm

alphanubilus wrote:Actually that is not true. Any pshycologist is going to tell you that if a person dwells on an obsession long enough, they will act upon it.

That's only if said fantasy is actually within the realm of reality. Unless you consider going on the website and looking for artwork acting upon an obsession.

You wouldn't accuse everyone here at the Pack of trying to become werewolves, would you? It's beyond reality -- even if people here are obsessing over werewolves to the point that it becomes unhealthy, the only thing they can do about it is keep dreaming and watch Blood & Chocolate for the umteen millionth time.

Lukas · Post by **Lukas** » Mon May 19, 2008 7:47 pm

All furries I know personally that own any kind of admin position in a forum or in Second Life all take steps to kick out people that are like that. It's safe to say, nearly all furries look down on pedophiles as scum.

agreed agreed, most forums and SL keep people like that out, i can attest to that

I can safely say one thing though, most of the people on FA are really into furry p***. And I seem to have noticed that furry p*** makes artists popular faster and get more hits on their artwork. It cant help it but to be upset about this....

For those who have a FA account.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/830865/

hehe true, so true, but i would be willing to bet some people here on this forum do indeed look at furry porn, I'm not throwing out guesses because I have no idea who but I'm sure there are some

Berserker · Post by **Berserker** » Mon May 19, 2008 8:01 pm

Lukas wrote: hehe true, so true, but i would be willing to bet some people here on this forum do indeed look at furry p***, I'm not throwing out guesses because I have no idea who but I'm sure there are some

No need to guess. It's right out in the open. Just go to the DeviantArt thread and visit profiles, and then click on their faves. Some people on this forum even draw furry erotica.

Lukas · Post by **Lukas** » Mon May 19, 2008 8:06 pm

Berserker wrote:
Lukas wrote: hehe true, so true, but i would be willing to bet some people here on this forum do indeed look at furry p***, I'm not throwing out guesses because I have no idea who but I'm sure there are some
No need to guess. It's right out in the open. Just go to the DeviantArt thread and visit profiles, and then click on their faves. Some people on this forum even draw furry erotica.

to each his own I say
(when i say looking at furry porn i mean looking at it on a semi-regular to regular basis, Deviant art soft porn is mostly looked at for its good quality [that is my guess anyway])

MattSullivan · Post by **MattSullivan** » Mon May 19, 2008 8:07 pm

Adults are adults. Adults like sexy art whether its human or cartoon, or whatever. that's perfectly fine. it's natural. I just disagree with the statement that just because you fantasize about something doesn't mean you'll never do it, ESPECIALLY when it comes to pedophilia. Any judge will tell you it is the most repeatable of crimes, meaning it is driven from a deep and powerful desire that is almost impossible for a pedo to resist. A drawing isn't "harmless" unless it depicts something within the realm of acceptable ADULT behavior.

That's my opinion. And again. I AM NOT ACCUSING EVERY FURRY OF BEING A PEDOPHILE. But you have to wonder about a person who draws cubs being raped to the point of bleeding...and you really have to wonder about the people who post glowing comments about that very ssme art....comments like "oh that's HAWT"

I agree with KAE. i believe most furries DO look down on pedophilia. but I just don't hear any vocal outrage about it. That bothers me. And I would think you'd want to know about these things if nothing else than to protect yourself, protect THIS board, and to disassociate yourself from what we know to be VERY VERY wrong.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Mon May 19, 2008 8:32 pm

MattSullivan wrote:I agree with KAE. i believe most furries DO look down on pedophilia. but I just don't hear any vocal outrage about it. That bothers me. And I would think you'd want to know about these things if nothing else than to protect yourself, protect THIS board, and to disassociate yourself from what we know to be VERY VERY wrong.

I suppose the reason nobody is protesting it within the furry fandom is because that particular sect of the fandom keeps to themselves. In Second Life, nearly all furry SIMs have the rule "no ageplay". I am aware of only one SIM that actually allows that on a secretive level (publicly known but not proven), and it IS against the TOS of Second Life to portray yourself as a child in sexual situations. The fact is, they don't bother the rest of us with their nasty habits. If they did, they'd probably not exist anymore.

I suppose you could say we isolated the cancer.

Berserker · Post by **Berserker** » Mon May 19, 2008 8:40 pm

Isolating the cancer isn't good enough. You need to eliminate it if you want the body to be healthy again.

Lukas · Post by **Lukas** » Mon May 19, 2008 9:37 pm

Berserker wrote:Isolating the cancer isn't good enough. You need to eliminate it if you want the body to be healthy again.

but can you ever truly eliminate cancer? i highly doubt that is on the majority of times

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Mon May 19, 2008 9:39 pm

The fact of the matter is that this is not a furry problem, it's a human problem. Those kind of people should not be allowed to live whether they are furry or mundane makes no difference.

Set · Post by **Set** » Mon May 19, 2008 9:44 pm

alphanubilus wrote:Any pshycologist is going to tell you that if a person dwells on an obsession long enough, they will act upon it.

I would like to take the time to point out that liking something and being obsessed with it are ALSO two different things. (And I will continue to over implement italics and capslock until my point is made.)

I just don't hear any vocal outrage about it.

Isolating the cancer isn't good enough. You need to eliminate it if you want the body to be healthy again.

What exactly do you want us to do, hm? Going "OMG you're sick!" isn't going to change said sick bastards. This is the f*** INTERNET, none of us can really do a damn thing about it. Besides, none of you have proof that those people are hurting anyone, just your assumptions based on A DRAWING. If anyone was actually convicted of a crime and is walking around free that's a problem with the justice system and not with the fandom.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Mon May 19, 2008 9:55 pm

Which is why I can agree that isolating them from everyone else is the best we can do.

RedEye · Post by **RedEye** » Tue May 20, 2008 12:04 am

Amazing: two pages and we've kept things civil and reasoned. I may just pass out from the excitement.

This shows how the forum has grown; no flames and no verbal trashing.
Six months ago, this thread would have been locked down because of flame wars and ranting. Today, we share and learn.

Wonderful!

IndianaJones · Post by **IndianaJones** » Tue May 20, 2008 12:40 am

I didn't replay, but I did read everyone's post here and I liked they way it is debated and reasoned. Keep it up guys!

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