Iran is a nuclear duck

[Scott Gardener]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17287860

Iran is a "Nuclear duck."



I'm not sure it's even funny.

[Noir-Okami]

It's... hard to believe that this is actually going on.

[Trinity]

wow just wow

[Uniform Two Six]

...And this is still in the news. Seriously. What is Netanyahu's deal, anyway? There's a real prospect that this might lead to Iranian nuclear disarmament. As far as I can see, this thing is win-win all around -- but the Israelis are continuing to dig in their heels and throw a fit like a four-year-old in a supermarket. I'm sort of expecting him to hold his breath and turn blue in the face until he gets what he wants (whatever that might be).

[Volkodlak]

israel and saudi arabia were making plans for attacks on iran in case if any of sanctions are lifted israel will not tolerate nuclear iran.

[Uniform Two Six]

Yeah, but the thing I don't get is this deal might actually prevent Iran from going nuclear. Israel is only risking alienating their biggest geopolitical ally (the U.S.). I hadn't heard about the Saudi-Israeli thing, but I find it somewhat dubious. Yeah, both the Saudis and the Israelis hate the Iranians, and are seriously ticked that the U.S. is going with the carrot over the stick, but they hate each other more than they do the Iranians. If the Saudi's allowed Israeli aircraft to overfly their territory to hit Iran, there would be some serious political turmoil over there. The Saudi public generally views the Israelis as more or less demonic.

[Volkodlak]

Yeah, but the thing I don't get is this deal might actually prevent Iran from going nuclear. Israel is only risking alienating their biggest geopolitical ally (the U.S.). I hadn't heard about the Saudi-Israeli thing, but I find it somewhat dubious. Yeah, both the Saudis and the Israelis hate the Iranians, and are seriously ticked that the U.S. is going with the carrot over the stick, but they hate each other more than they do the Iranians. If the Saudi's allowed Israeli aircraft to overfly their territory to hit Iran, there would be some serious political turmoil over there. The Saudi public generally views the Israelis as more or less demonic.

http://rt.com/news/israel-saudi-iran-nuclear-846/ here is the article.

UPDATE: I think Israel will make a move just question is when and what kind of move will be made.

[Uniform Two Six]

Israel has something of a problem, in that its birds don't have the range to hit Iran un-refueled. Israel is a fairly small country and thus they've never acquired any long-range strike platforms (like F-15E -- theirs are F-15C derivatives), nor do they have any organic tanker aircraft of their own to my knowledge. Even with their conformal FAST tanks, they just don't have the legs to reach that far. According to that article, the Saudis are committing to not only authorizing overflight (in itself, an unimaginably big deal), but also going the extra step of providing their own KC-135 tankers to the mission. I'd like to know what their source is on this (I'm a little biased, perhaps but I take anything Russia Times says with a certain dose of skepticism). Such a move would be absolutely unprecedented. The Saudis hate the Israelis.

Even if there is such a plan in the works, I'm still perplexed by it. They've got more to gain by letting the U.S. pursue the diplomatic route. Those facilities aren't going anywhere. If the Iranians breach the agreement, the strike option is always there and is going to be more robust if the U.S. joins in. I just genuinely don't get the Israeli position in this.

EDIT: Oops... I leapt before I looked. Somewhere along the way they picked up about two squadrons of "E" model F-15s, and a half-dozen KC-135 aircraft. Well, then this could get interesting. I wonder what idiot decided to sell them that stuff (probably some flunky in the Bush Administration).

[Volkodlak]

Israel has something of a problem, in that its birds don't have the range to hit Iran un-refueled. Israel is a fairly small country and thus they've never acquired any long-range strike platforms (like F-15E -- theirs are F-15C derivatives), nor do they have any organic tanker aircraft of their own to my knowledge. Even with their conformal FAST tanks, they just don't have the legs to reach that far. According to that article, the Saudis are committing to not only authorizing overflight (in itself, an unimaginably big deal), but also going the extra step of providing their own KC-135 tankers to the mission. I'd like to know what their source is on this (I'm a little biased, perhaps but I take anything Russia Times says with a certain dose of skepticism). Such a move would be absolutely unprecedented. The Saudis hate the Israelis.

Even if there is such a plan in the works, I'm still perplexed by it. They've got more to gain by letting the U.S. pursue the diplomatic route. Those facilities aren't going anywhere. If the Iranians breach the agreement, the strike option is always there and is going to be more robust if the U.S. joins in. I just genuinely don't get the Israeli position in this.

RT,CNN,BBC,Al jezeera are all biased more or less.as for: The Saudis hate the Israelis did you ever heard of phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

[Uniform Two Six]

...did you ever heard of phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

The Iranians represent an exterior military threat. Cooperation with the Israelis represents a very real internal threat (as in a pissed off Saudi civil population). With the "Arab-Spring" still fresh in their minds, I'm having trouble believing that the Saudi royals are looking at the former as the greater threat than the latter.

[Volkodlak]

...did you ever heard of phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

The Iranians represent an exterior military threat. Cooperation with the Israelis represents a very real internal threat (as in a pissed off Saudi civil population). With the "Arab-Spring" still fresh in their minds, I'm having trouble believing that the Saudi royals are looking at the former as the greater threat than the latter.

but there is posibility for them working together.



Offtopic: its funny we are on forum dedicaded to Werewolfs and curently most active topic: politics

[Uniform Two Six]

but there is posibility for them working together.

As I said before, it would be utterly unprecedented. The Israelis and the Saudis never cooperate on anything.

Offtopic: its funny we are on forum dedicaded to Werewolfs and curently most active topic: politics

Eh... until Freeborn comes out, there's not much else to talk about.

[Volkodlak]

but there is posibility for them working together.

As I said before, it would be utterly unprecedented. The Israelis and the Saudis never cooperate on anything.

Offtopic: its funny we are on forum dedicaded to Werewolfs and curently most active topic: politics

Eh... until Freeborn comes out, there's not much else to talk about.

ok you win

is freeboen even coming out this year? i thin after freeborn comes out this forum should be restarted curent topics,discusions moved to archives.

[Uniform Two Six]

I haven't heard anything about Freeborn recently. Last rumblings were that AB is potentially getting a distribution deal hammered out and Freeborn may wind up on one of the satellite channels as a series. Another possibility is that it may become a web-series on YouTube or something, or (and I rather like this one) it may become a Netflix property, essentially netting him a pay-for-play deal. Personally, I rather like the last prospect since Netflix's Hemlock Grove (while not necessarily about werewolves, at least included them), was sufficiently a market success and they may be looking to cash-in again. Then again, they optioned a second season of Hemlock Grove, which may be filling that niche for Netflix instead.

However, this is all speculation and rumor. As for specifics on what is going on with Freeborn, I don't think anyone besides AB knows.

EDIT:
Upon further investigation, there is a new Indigogo campaign for Freeborn I didn't know about: Here.

And there is a new Freeborn Chronicles website I also didn't know about: Here.
Although the site is "under construction" and has little functionality as of yet. All good signs. Excuse me now, while I go chip in a few bucks on the Indiegogo site...

[Meeper]

Not to perpetuate the off topic here, but AB needs some crowd funding love right now...

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/freeb ... wesomeness

Unlike the previous one, I can't see someone stepping up and saving the day by dropping the thick end of 20 grand to meet the projected goal this time.

The Meeper.

[Uniform Two Six]

Reuters had a great article online about how the Israelis' attempts to undermine Obama politically (they preferred the Republicans at the time) jumpstarted the nuclear deal that's in the news now (which the Israelis hate). I love watching the Israelis fall flat on their faces politically. What a bunch of dolts.