philosophical mathamatical mind-fuck!

[celtwolf]

try saying that three times fast!
anyway, i was wandering some of my favorite webcomics and clicked a rather interesting banner. it brought me to the domain of the URL i'm about to post. i clicked on 2+2 and , voila! instant mathematical mind-f***!
i thought some of the more intelectual people around here might like to check this out.
http://www.disenchanted.com/dis/technol ... actor.html

anyway, following the theories in here, if such a computer was created, wouldn't it be concievable that one of the input combinations could lead to werewolves existance in the universe, or perhapse even the very script of the movie all of us are helping with become a viable and tangible reality?
amongs the other weird stuff in there, this came to my mind.
thought i'd share it!

~Celtwolf

[Lupin]

Yeah, but they would exist in the universe in the computer, and not out here.

Chew on this for a while: If the universe is infinite, and werewolves aren't physically impossible, then they already exist somewhere.

Along the same lines, if the universe is infinite, there's a place where Freeborn has already come out, and the DVD is on sale.

[Figarou]

Yeah, but they would exist in the universe in the computer, and not out here.

Chew on this for a while: If the universe is infinite, and werewolves aren't physically impossible, then they already exist somewhere.

IF

We can't answer that right now. If we can, we have to go out there and measure it. And how long would that take?

Same goes for "Is life other than our own out there.?" How is that going to be answered? Us going to them? Or they coming to us? Or sure...maybe they are already here.

As for werewolves exsisting somewhere, the only place I can think of right now is in the mind.

Along the same lines, if the universe is infinite, there's a place where Freeborn has already come out, and the DVD is on sale.

That place is called....the future. Right here on this very planet.

[Lupin]

Yeah, but they would exist in the universe in the computer, and not out here.

Chew on this for a while: If the universe is infinite, and werewolves aren't physically impossible, then they already exist somewhere.

IF

We can't answer that right now. If we can, we have to go out there and measure it. And how long would that take?

No. We wouldn't have to directly measure it. We would have to figure out if the universe is open or closed. (No jokes about that, please) If it's open, then it'll expand forever, and is infinite. And if it's closed, it isn't.

[Nishah]

Along the same lines, if the universe is infinite, there's a place where Freeborn has already come out, and the DVD is on sale.

I disagree... in my opinion you're confusing "alternate reality" with "infinite universe"...
For "Freeborn" to be released, put on dvd and sold on a different planet, that planet should have attainded the identical make-up of this planet to assure that the conditions for this happening where there (material, cultural and idiological)...
That would mean that "humanity" exists on a different earth... has evolved in exactly the same way with exactly the same cultures...
This I fear is beyond the theory of the "infinite universe"...

You can on the other hand easily state "there's life out there" 'cause the amount of worlds... one of them should have sprouted life (it did here and if you look at the rule of "where there's one...") It does not have to be life as we would define it, but i'm convinced there is...(hopefully not little grey men in flying bedpans...)

[Lupin]

Along the same lines, if the universe is infinite, there's a place where Freeborn has already come out, and the DVD is on sale.

I disagree... in my opinion you're confusing "alternate reality" with "infinite universe"...
For "Freeborn" to be released, put on dvd and sold on a different planet, that planet should have attainded the identical make-up of this planet to assure that the conditions for this happening where there (material, cultural and idiological)...
That would mean that "humanity" exists on a different earth... has evolved in exactly the same way with exactly the same cultures...
This I fear is beyond the theory of the "infinite universe"...

Actually it's really just the infinite monkey theorem. Kolmogorov's zero-one law stats that "An infinite series of independent events must have a probability of zero or one." The mere fact that it has a chance of ocurring, means that given an infinite amount of time, or space it will occour.

[Nishah]

hmmmm... the "monkeys will write a book theory" right ?

indeed... I stand corrected... score for lupin hadn't thought of that...

[Figarou]

Actually it's really just the infinite monkey theorem. Kolmogorov's zero-one law stats that "An infinite series of independent events must have a probability of zero or one." The mere fact that it has a chance of ocurring, means that given an infinite amount of time, or space it will occour.

So.....whats not real here...can be real somewhere else?

Or has already happened?

[Lupin]

hmmmm... the "monkeys will write a book theory" right ?

indeed... I stand corrected... score for lupin hadn't thought of that...

That's the one. Given an infinite amount of time, a finite amount of monkeys banging at typewriters will eventually produce the works of $WRITER. (They would actually produce it infinitely many times, which is really a waste of paper.)

So.....whats not real here...can be real somewhere else?

Or has already happened?

If there's a possiblty of it happening, an an infinite number of attemps. Of course if it's outside of your light cone, you'd never know if it happended or not.

[Figarou]

If there's a possiblty of it happening, an an infinite number of attemps. Of course if it's outside of your light cone, you'd never know if it happended or not.

Well, that means you was hit by duckies and you didn't even know it.

[Lupin]

Not me, just someone whos like me in every way, but they got hit by more duckies

[Figarou]

Not me, just someone whos like me in every way, but they got hit by more duckies

Someone who you looks like you, thinks like you, acts like you, but its not you?

Ok...I get it.

NOT.

[Veruth]

Like the alternate universe theory, that there is an infinite number of universes- for every minute variation possible, there is a universe where it goes one way and a whole other universe where it goes the other? Same basic idea, infinite time or space.

[Lupin]

Someone who you looks like you, thinks like you, acts like you, but its not you?

Looks like me, acts like me, thinks but isn't me because they got hit by more duckies.

Like the alternate universe theory, that there is an infinite number of universes- for every minute variation possible, there is a universe where it goes one way and a whole other universe where it goes the other? Same basic idea, infinite time or space.

Same thing but it's infinite areas in this universe (The whole thing, not the finite part we see.)

[geekboy1500]

chew on this if there is an infinate amount of space in the universe and only a finite # of worlds and within those there is only a finite number of Inhabited worlds, then the population of the universe is 0 (infinity devided by a # is next to naught)

[Anubis]

*Gets throbbing headache from math mumbo jumbo*

I hate math!! I'll take the left side of my brain and get the hell out of here!!

[White Paw]

[lupine]

Yeah but if space is endless, there must be an infinite number of worlds. If it ends whats beyond it??

[Lupin]

The refrigerator door.

[Scott Gardener]

If something is possible and the universe is infinite, the probabilility of something's existance approaches 100% certainty, then that provides some interesting ramifications.

First, why hasn't a wish faerie approached me with a bite-happy werewolf, a copy of the Freeborn DVD, and a bag of something essentially identical to four million bucks cash?

It's imaginable that the DVD can exist, and we've talked to death the prospect of werewolves. We know money exists. The wish faerie can be explained as follows...

Suppose there's a means of teleporting. Bit of a stretch, but we've read about quantum theories that postulate it. Remember, if it's even remotely conceivably possible, according to the theory, it's real somewhere.

Then, suppose there's a group of beings who are notoriously altruistic, who use their teleportation technology to go to people and grant wishes. They come up with a particular personality profile and scan the cosmos for individuals fitting that profile, teleport to them, and give out freebies.

Given a big enough cosmos, there should be a wish faerie group out there for every conceivable wish.

Therefore, the fact that my and in fact everyone else's wishes remain unfulfilled means there's a wrench in the works somewhere between infinite universes, quantum teleportation, and the mathematical assumptions about infinity.

But, before one dismisses the poor man's Vlk'rin Crossover Theory completely, however, one must remember that one can imagine all kinds of unfulfilled wishes out there, too. The probability approaches zero that wish faeries could reach everyone in the universe, no matter how clever they are about viral assimilation strategies to conquer the universe first.

[MoonKit]

I LOVE this stuff. I sent my mate the link. Hes a computer geek and a big fan of math and he tells me all the time that numbers make up everything.

I have nothing to say on the actual topic. My mind continues to be confused and blown and all I can do it sit in silence and try to take it all in.

Good link!

My head hurts...

[White Paw]

MATH IS EVIL.........

[BlackWolfDS]

No MATH is not EVIL....the teacher who teaches math is the EVIL one

[Shadow Wulf]

I stink at math. Its not my cup of tea. I can get the hang of every other subject but math.

....and part of speech.(advance ones)

[White Paw]

GOOD POINT TEACHERS WHO TEACH MATH ARE EVIL