2012

[IndianaJones]

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Not conspiracy s*** at all. It's just scientific research and other stuff which link to this.

[Aki]

What are you guys thinking!?

Here is the scientific discovery about 2012.

http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985423

Stop being ignorant and research. Not for stupid school and college, but educate yourself.

I won't vote. Doomsday? There is no such thing as death.......

Where's the bit about 2012?

The part that had the word "mayan" 2012 talked about Milky Way drawing in other galaxies or some s***.

Which seems completely irrelevant to me.

[Kaebora]

So, maybe Ravaged Warrior, it could represent a profound shift in humanity (Maybe hope will return to America?) or technology (Maybe the singularity?) rather than a horriffic apocalypse.

If the information in the quotes I posted are correct, I think that's a good way to interpret it.

We're still only taking Susan Milbrath's word for it. Assuming she's well versed in rare Mayan historical records, we can take in her facts however we like. However, a fact by definition is not a proven law, but a popular held beleif that has yet to be proven false by a majority. She could be wrong.

[WerewolfKeeper3]

(Hold it.
I thought it was
Sunday, december 23, 2012 {shakes head glances around weirede out by the fact he said something... bu the didn't say something) that the ah... the world was suppose to end?
And who cares? if we cant' escape, then we go boom.
In 2 billion years, the whol universe insupposed to snap back to its center and destroy everything in its path.
Only way to truly know about the destruction of the world... is to wait and see.
...
Are we yet?
)

Oh, brother. I agree with him: wiat and see.

[Scott Gardener]

While the suggestion that the Earth and the rest of the Solar System didn't come from the Milky Way is an interesting one, it's such a substantial jump that I would have expected data suggesting it to make more waves than just a few fringe web sites. There is no reason to suppress such information, as most people would not automatically relate it to global warming, and most scientists would not hastily jump to abandoning existing work on addressing global warming.

Still, I'll consider its ramifications.

The movement of stars through a galaxy occurs over massive time scales. By current prevailing theories, that we're native to this galaxy, the Earth has only made 4 or 5 trips around the galaxy. One orbit from the suburban regions takes about a billion years. If we came in from another direction, it is highly likely that such movement would have followed a similar time scale. Thus, we will have still been inside the galactic spiral arm for perhaps 50 million years. No, I don't think passing through The Great Barrier (Trekkies will remember a glowing red band of energy at the edge of the galaxy in the Original Series) is what killed the dinosaurs. Stellar density increases as one moves into the galaxy from deep space, and thus the odds of running into something increase as one moves into denser galactic matter.

We would also be on course to move back out of the galaxy. In a few hundred million years, the Milky Way would no longer fill the night sky completely, instead looking like a great big pinwheel filling a portion of the sky.

But, the combined heat and light of all the other more distant stars cannot add up significantly. Global warming for all practical purposes has to come either from the Sun or from activity here on Earth. Pluto, planet or not has a surface temperature around 43 Kelvin, and it's still 4-6 light-hours from the Sun; most stars are light-years away. Earth is about eight and a half light-minutes from the Sun, hence we get a lot more warmth.

On the time scale of a few billion years, the Sun's contribution to global warming is essentially absolute. The Earth formed from leftover parts of the cloud of matter that formed the Sun, about 4.6 billion years ago. (Picture the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past From the Future speaking its metallic-voiced long-winded prose.) The Earth itself was initially molten, and within its first few hundred million years of existance collided with another, Mars-sized celestial body. The latter was obliterated, while the former absorbed portions of the second planet, and a plume of debris rose up, gradually falling together to form the Moon. As much a freak occurrance as this might seem, the early days of the solar system was equally rough on the other planets. Uranus appears to have been demolished completely, only to fall back together and re-form--hence its sideways rotation. And, many have postulated that the collection of debris collectively known as the Asteroid Belt was originally another planet. But, as the Sun took shape, the Earth gradually cooled. And, it continued to cool, for three billion years, until its entire surface was coated by ice. The primitive, unicellular organisms that eventually gave life to everything we know today barely survived cycles in which glaciers from the North and South pole stretched to cover the Earth. But, as the Sun's hydrogen fused to helium over the billion years, radiating away mass as energy, the Sun's surface radius expanded outward, gradually warming the Earth and the other planets of the Solar System. The glacial period of a billion years ago ended gradually, and as the Earth warmed, it became increasingly sustainable for a biosphere of life evolving with renewed vigor. Though interruped every one or two hundred million years by massive catastrophe, life continued to flourish.

But, this same expansion of the sun also stands to make Earth continue to become warmer, and in 500 million years, it will no longer be inhabitable. In five billion years, the Sun will be a red giant, expanded outward into Earth's present orbit. Earth may survive; the radiation of mass as energy will reduce the Sun's gravitational pull, and Earth will slowly spiral outward.

And, if we are not originally from the Milky Way, we are surely destined to remain. The Andromeda galaxy is on a collision course to collide and merge with the Milky Way in three billion years, and the combined gravitational pull would put the Sun into at the very least a peripheral orbit. At the point at which the Sun might engulf the Earth five billion years from now, around the time at which The Doctor, the last of the Time Lords, saves The Face of Boe and other key galactic figures from assassination, the familiar pinwheel shapes of both galaxies will have been distorted into a flailing, twisted array of writhing tentacles hundreds of millions of light years across. Eventually, a few billion years later, it will look pretty again.

Global warming from a human-created standpoint is, by comparison, an issue of decades or a century. In 2012, we could see perhaps one or many catastrophies brought about by it, but I'd be surprised if something of a global nature suddenly happened all at once on a specific date at the end of the year. Hurricanes and typhoons tend to happen in the summer. If something catastrophic did happen, my best guess would be a significant enough breaking point in the melting of Antarctic ice that water levels would rise enough to flood coastal areas. But, I see this as a gradual problem rather than a sudden one, with the occasional storm to create sporadic blatent localized exceptions like New Orleans. I don't see the End of the World happening in one day, but I'm not planning on retiring in Florida like my grandfather could.

As a side note, 12/27/2012 would be the twentieth anniversary of the first Beast of Bray Road sighting chronicled and sensationalized by Linda Godfrey. Good time for werewolves to reveal themselves.

[Kaebora]

Nice Dr. Who reference. You know your astrological phenomenons very well.

[RedEye]

Let me try for a nice dull explanation. Look at the Odometer in your car.
When your car was brand new and just off the assembly line, all the numbers (important!) read 00000.0 . As you drive, they advance just like the Mayan calendar does. Eventually, you'll reach 100,000.0 miles and the odometer will read 00000.0 again, since there are only five number slots to the left of the decimal point.
That's it, in a nutshell.

The Long Count Calendar will reset itself to 0 ahu, 0 tun, 0 baktun, and the World will be one long count older. The cycle that ended was the cycle of the Water Sun. The cycle that begins is the cycle of the Fire Sun.

P-E-R-I-O-D.

If something else happens, it's not due to the Mayan Calendar. If the Werewolves decide to come out of hiding, I'll be collecting on bets that will make one wealthy person... in more ways than one.

I'll still avoid any Mayans, in case they DO explode...

[wolf4life]

arnt you all pretty much getting to the point that...


whatever you say is about a portion of thoughts...while other thoughts are a different portion and so on


until the world does actually end....no one is going to be sure

[RedEye]

arnt you all pretty much getting to the point that...


whatever you say is about a portion of thoughts...while other thoughts are a different portion and so on


until the world does actually end....no one is going to be sure

Every night, when you go to sleep, the World ends. It will begin again, new, every morning except the last one.