<Gekkura> You just like helping people
<ruthie_marie> that too
<ruthie_marie> I also want to help find a cure for cancer and progeria
<ruthie_marie> I was looking into medical science
<ruthie_marie> I'm either going into that
<Gekkura> Cure for cancer...save the rainforests.
<ruthie_marie> or just being an pediatic nurse
<Gekkura> There could be a plant there that can help.
<ruthie_marie> there could be
<ruthie_marie> but think
<ruthie_marie> while I trying to save the rain forests
<ruthie_marie> people are dying
<ruthie_marie> people are more important
<Gekkura> People....
<ruthie_marie> yeah
<Gekkura> They are importaint but
<Gekkura> The rainforest keeps the air clean
<Gekkura> Which keeps people healthy
<ruthie_marie> I would rather try to save them than the forests
<ruthie_marie> peple come 1st
<ruthie_marie> how many people do you know that live in the rain forest
<decsuna> i don't think there can ever be a common cure for all kinds of cancer
<Gekkura> You don't know much about nature, do you?
<ruthie_marie> I love nature
<Gekkura> Or at least have never heard of the butterfly effect
<Gekkura> Something you see as being insignificant can have a big impact on the world
<ruthie_marie> still........... people come 1st
<decsuna> i agree it's a lot more important to save the environment than individual human lives. actually there are too many people on earth.
<decsuna> we would be a lot better off with half the world population we have now.
<Gekkura> You think so too?
<Gekkura> I got into a big argument over that with some of my friends
<decsuna> actually, if the population doesn't reduce soon somehow, that will be the death of us all.
<Gekkura> But there's the problem of getting it to go down
<decsuna> and not just us, but many other species too.
<decsuna> one thing you can do is not have more than one child :)
<ruthie_marie> who do you think would be here to take care of nautre
<ruthie_marie> nature*
<decsuna> but the problem is smart people are having fewer kids than stupid people who don't care
<ruthie_marie> so be like China
<decsuna> and so the people are getting stupider :)
<ruthie_marie> so kill un born babies
<Gekkura> come on now...
<decsuna> every person alive consumes energy resources and produces garbage
<Gekkura> alot of people won't like that
<Gekkura> you have to get people to agree, which hardly ever happens
<decsuna> yeah, a very small fragment of the population cares about the environment, and a very large fragment pollutes it.
<ruthie_marie> china's law is to have only one baby and look they have like more people than any other country
<decsuna> that's because that law has been in effect for less than one generation
<ruthie_marie> you would rather them kill babies
<decsuna> it will take hundreds of years for it to reduce
<decsuna> they only kill babies because of their prefernece for male children, which is a cultural mistake, not because of that law.
<ruthie_marie> they kill babies here
<ruthie_marie> every day
<ruthie_marie> through abortion
<Gekkura> You say you love people Ruth...
<ruthie_marie> I do
<Gekkura> Yet you speak of them as if they're expendable
<ruthie_marie> and I think abortion is another word for murder
<decsuna> abortion is not necessarily a bad thing. babies that are aborted are about on the development level of a fish, and we kill millions of fish every day.
<ruthie_marie> a baby is an human the very second it's conceved
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<Martin> dun dun dun dun!!!!
<Gekkura> Hello.
<ruthie_marie> conceived
<Martin> Hi
<decsuna> aborting an eraly embrio is no bigger murder than killing a fish.
<decsuna> *early
<Gekkura> So I take it you don't support Stem Cell research, which could save millions?
<ruthie_marie> it's an human
<ruthie_marie> not a fish
<ruthie_marie> people can get stem cells from dead adults
<Martin> Actually both are animals and thus both are worth just as much... I say we should not kill any fishes either :P
<decsuna> why would a fish be less worthy than a human at the same level of development?
<ruthie_marie> they just don't want to
<ruthie_marie> just it's not an human
<decsuna> that's just like being a racist
<Martin> maybe it was in a past life? ;)
<decsuna> only about species
<ruthie_marie> OMG
<ruthie_marie> it's an fish
<Martin> A fish!
<decsuna> fish are animals, just like humans.
<Martin> Precisely :p
<ruthie_marie> why do you think animals are on earth
<decsuna> they have a brain, they have a spine, they have a heart
<Martin> And they say woof if they're dogs :P
<Gekkura> Animals were here before humans were.
<ruthie_marie> for human's enjoyment and to survive
<Gekkura> So no, the planet wasn't made for us
<ruthie_marie> omg
<Martin> That's rather selfish Ruthie Marie..
<Martin> I think they're here because they're cute
<decsuna> humans are only one of the species that share this planet. nothing special.
<Martin> :P
<ruthie_marie> how do you know animals were here 1st?
<decsuna> because we have fossils?
<ruthie_marie> we have fossils of human prints
<ruthie_marie> next to dinos
<ruthie_marie> and
<Gekkura> You ever heard of a hoax, Ruth?
<ruthie_marie> people have found old rocks in very, very old graves
<decsuna> that's only what christian creationsits babble about.
<ruthie_marie> that have pics of dino and animals together
<decsuna> it has nothing to do with science.
<Gekkura> pictures mean nothing
<ruthie_marie> about 4 months ago
<Gekkura> I could do that with Photoshop
<ruthie_marie> I found
<ruthie_marie> a fossil of frog eggs....... which means they did not come from fish
<ruthie_marie> and the fossil
<Martin> The question here is not what you believe Ruthie Marie... It's what has caused you to believe what you believe and WHY you must cling to it o_o
<ruthie_marie> is gonna be on tv
<decsuna> dinosaurs were not the first animals on earth, you know. life had existed many millions of years before dinosaurs.
<ruthie_marie> I gave it to an scientist
<Martin> A scientist :P
<ruthie_marie> believing in that is like
<ruthie_marie> putting an old broken watch in an bag
<ruthie_marie> and shaking it
<ruthie_marie> for a million years
<decsuna> fish lay eggs too you know.
<ruthie_marie> and taking out
<ruthie_marie> all fixed
<ruthie_marie> the eggs were frog eggs
<decsuna> so if you find frog eggs that doesn't mean they didn't come from fish.
<ruthie_marie> they were studied
<Gekkura> I don't understand the watch thing
<decsuna> neither do i :)
<Gekkura> what does that mean?
<ruthie_marie> you think life just came in existance on it's own
<decsuna> no i don't
<ruthie_marie> someone had to create it
<ruthie_marie> it's not chance
<Gekkura> Mmmhmm. I could argur with you on that...
<Gekkura> *argue
<Martin> Did somebody say the magical word ? :P
<ruthie_marie> and
<ruthie_marie> something would of had to create the single cell
<ruthie_marie> that people think
<decsuna> life was created from organic moleculs, name lipids, that formed lyposomes, in which other molecules got caught. there were ideal consequences in the earth seas over a billion years ago for that.
<ruthie_marie> made life
<ruthie_marie> the dude that made up that stuff
<ruthie_marie> said he was lying
<ruthie_marie> when he died
<Martin> Was very intelligent :p
<Gekkura> Then what of the experiments that support this particular theory?
<Gekkura> Are they worthless?
<decsuna> that wasn't made up by some dude, it is the current scientific theory that many very studied people divised
<ruthie_marie> people say it happened over millions of years
<ruthie_marie> so
<ruthie_marie> they can say
<ruthie_marie> why nothing has changed
<ruthie_marie> now
<decsuna> nothing has changed when?
<ruthie_marie> how many animals have you seen changed into something else
<ruthie_marie> since you were alive
<Gekkura> The butterfly.
<ruthie_marie> like
<decsuna> well our lives are much too short to witness that
<ruthie_marie> something other than that
<Martin> Butterflies!
<Gekkura> The locust.
<Gekkura> The maggot into the fly.
<Martin> .....Butterflies!
<ruthie_marie> I meant into something like totally different
<Martin> how old are you ruthie? :p
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<ruthie_marie> 15
<Gekkura> So a little wormy thing isn't different from something with powdery wings?
<decsuna> it takes many many generation of natural selection to cause evolutional changes. we can only observe evolution in viruses and bacteria which evolve most quickly.
<Martin> Cool
<Martin> Hi there
<Kageshin> hey
<ruthie_marie> how could a fish turn into an human
<decsuna> and those we can see change within our lifetimes
<Martin> Magical transformation!
<ruthie_marie> why do you think no one has ever been able to clone one
<Martin> or cells that mutate... :P
<decsuna> over many many millions of years. through amphibian, reptile, early mammal, mammal, primate, human.
<decsuna> but that takes a lot of time.
<ruthie_marie> then how come those animals are still here
<ruthie_marie> and have not changed into humans
<ruthie_marie> infront of us?!
<decsuna> because only some of them took another evolutional path.
<decsuna> actually saying that fish turned into humans is wrong
<Gekkura> I take it you assume humans are a perfected form
<Gekkura> Nope. Hardly.
<decsuna> fish and humans have a common ancestor. some of those took the path of becoming fish, and some of becoming humans.
<ruthie_marie> people say at 1st they were cells then they grew fins
<ruthie_marie> etc
<Gekkura> Ruth, since you like medical stuff
<decsuna> lol, cells can't grow fins :)
<ruthie_marie> see
<Gekkura> study embryonic development
<ruthie_marie> then how can they grow
<ruthie_marie> into other animals
<Martin> They're magical cells :P
<ruthie_marie> like land animals
<Gekkura> Human fetuses resemble fish in the earlier stages
<Martin> The first life was a burger o_o
<decsuna> they even have gills.
<ruthie_marie> you believe in magical things
<ruthie_marie> but not in GOD
<ruthie_marie> that's pointless
<decsuna> i believe in god.
<ruthie_marie> those are hands
<Martin> I believe in myself... :P
<ruthie_marie> in development
<ruthie_marie> not gills
<decsuna> i believe in god but i also embrace scientific facts, such as evolution.
<ruthie_marie> how do you think the MAGICAL cell
<ruthie_marie> got there
<decsuna> when you learn more about biology you will understand.
<Martin> it was magical :P
<ruthie_marie> how can you believe in both
<Kageshin> Oh oh I know the answer :)
<decsuna> but you are stillv ery young.
<ruthie_marie> God created us
<ruthie_marie> duh
<Martin> Duuuuuh
<Martin> :P
<decsuna> if you read about how that cell came to be, you would understand.
<decsuna> but i don't think there is a point inm speaking to you. you don't have enough knowledge, and you refuse to gain it.
<ruthie_marie> don't you ever read the BIBLe
<ruthie_marie> Bible
<Gekkura> Do you even know what the word Bible means?
<ruthie_marie> IN THE BEGINING GOD CREATED THE HEAVES AND THE EARTH
<Gekkura> It means book. Nothing more.
<Kageshin> Ruthie what says that everything in the Bible is law?
<decsuna> the Bible is full of metaphors. things in there are notto be taken literally.
<ruthie_marie> HEAVENS
<Kageshin> Ever play the game of telephone?
<ruthie_marie> I saw an Angel before... which means the bible is true
<Martin> ruthie is probably kkk :P
<ruthie_marie> cause God created angels
<decsuna> Bible is not the only book that mentions angels.
<ruthie_marie> but it was the 1st
<ruthie_marie> book
<decsuna> not that either
<Kageshin> Pass a message through the ears of a dozen people, the message changes. The New Testament wasn't put into writing until over 200 years after Jesus' death. Thousands of years after old testament events. Now tell me, how do the "facts" stay intact over hundreds of years of word-of-mouth?
<decsuna> other cultures had texts much before the bible.
<Martin> Angels are in books like that because they were spotted...but really they're just ufo's trying to dominate humankind :P
<Kageshin> ufo's? Sweet!
<ruthie_marie> what evidence do you have that shows the earth is a million years old
<decsuna> much evidence, ruthie.
<ruthie_marie> name some
<decsuna> carbonic dating.
<decsuna> the span of visible universe.
<Kageshin> mmmm, redshift
<decsuna> the microwave background.
<Martin> Angel like ufos :p
<ruthie_marie> you should read the bible sometimes
<Kageshin> Ruthie I studied the bible, line by line in school
<decsuna> i read all of the bible. it's a nice book.
<Gekkura> It contradicts itself in places.
<ruthie_marie> I have read the whole bible before
<ruthie_marie> too
<decsuna> but the bible is a religious, not a scientific text. it speaks in metaphors.
<Martin> Why don't you read it 1000 times more?
<ruthie_marie> so is evolution
<Martin> obviously it gives you a sense of self harmony
<Martin> :p
<Kageshin> It's also a very POLITICAL text.
<decsuna> evolution has proof that are outside of books, in the nature.
<ruthie_marie> what makes you say evolution is not a religion
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<ruthie_marie> evolution is an religion too
<ruthie_marie> so why don't you diss it too
<decsuna> no, it's a scientific theory.
<Martin> Wb
<ruthie_marie> it's an religion
<Kageshin> It is not -a- religion.
<decsuna> i don't "believe" in evolution, i except it as the most suitable explaination of the phenomena i see
<decsuna> *accept
<ruthie_marie> oh by the way
<Martin> It is a creation of human reason in an effort to figure out what has created us... ^^
<ruthie_marie> something would of had to create that magic cell
<Kageshin> what magic cell?
<decsuna> no. again. read how the cells were created.
<decsuna> read it.
<ruthie_marie> the one Martin was talking about
<decsuna> you have no idea aobut biochemistry.
<Martin> Yeah
<decsuna> get an idea.
<Martin> I made with my imagination
<Martin> I can create worlds with it
<Martin> I am a god!
<Martin> :P
<ruthie_marie> you have a free will
<ruthie_marie> duh
<ruthie_marie> in that sense
<Gekkura> Martin wasn't being serious about the "magic" part
<Martin> Yes I was! grrr! :P
<ruthie_marie> but who made the freaking cell
<decsuna> i have attended almost a thousand hours of biochemistry lectures. i know how the first cell could have been created.
<ruthie_marie> something had to of made it
<decsuna> no.
<Martin> Aliens :P
<decsuna> it could have been made by sheer laws of physics and chemistry.
<decsuna> in the right conditions.
<Martin> Basically we don't know how we were created and we'll never know...accept it ^^
<ruthie_marie> and I bet you learned from people who believed in evolution
<Martin> And satan has possessed their minds? :P
<ruthie_marie> something had to of made the materials
<ruthie_marie> in the 1st place
<decsuna> i learned from scientists. all scientists that are at least half sne support evolutions.
<ruthie_marie> to poof
<ruthie_marie> up the cell
<Gekkura> there's the big bang theory for the universe's creation
<ruthie_marie> that's stupid
<Kageshin> Nuh uh
<decsuna> yes, then we slowly get closer to that god of yours.
<ruthie_marie> cause what do you think caused it
<decsuna> big bang has been proven too.
<Gekkura> Well anser this smarty pants...what was there before god?
<ruthie_marie> show me how it has been proven
<ruthie_marie> he has always been there........ you said you read the bible
<Kageshin> Actually it hasn't been proven, but it hasn't yet been disproven.
<ruthie_marie> you should know
<ruthie_marie> duh
<Gekkura> I never said that
<Martin> No we shouldnt
<decsuna> big bang has been proven by various means by phsyicists, including the fragmentation of cosmos, and the microwave background.
<decsuna> we even know when it happened.
<ruthie_marie> you mean made up
<ruthie_marie> when it happened
<decsuna> no, we have measured it.
<ruthie_marie> wow
<decsuna> you should really learn more about science, girl.
<ruthie_marie> how do you think we got mountians on the earth
<Kageshin> Decs dear that's not proof yet. It's just the best theory to date. It won't be described as anything beyond Theory for like... another 200 years if no one disproves it :P
<Gekkura> Ruthie, we're not gonna agree with you on this. Why argue with us?
<ruthie_marie> there had to be an flood
<decsuna> before you go spreading your biblical truths.
<Kageshin> Mountains: tektonic (sp?) movements
<ruthie_marie> which means the bible is true
<ruthie_marie> hills
<ruthie_marie> were caused by the flood
<ruthie_marie> and
<Martin> Gekkura:" To keep on her belief strong in heart"
<decsuna> well no they were not.
<ruthie_marie> people found the hammer
<ruthie_marie> noah used
<decsuna> a flood can not cause mountain formation.
<ruthie_marie> to build the ark
<ruthie_marie> and they found the ark!
<Gekkura> People like you make me want to move out of the south.
<decsuna> i'm not saying there was not a flood, but it definitely didn't form mountains.
<ruthie_marie> then move
<ruthie_marie> cause we are gonna keep talking about the truth
<Martin> That's rough Gekkura...Why?
<Gekkura> Your "truth" is merely opinion
<ruthie_marie> what makes you says your's not
<Gekkura> I live in the bible belt with all the fanatics
<Martin> It's not absolute anyway...
<decsuna> the bible is just a book. many other religons have their own books.
<ruthie_marie> evolution is just a lie
<ruthie_marie> and they have books about evolution
<ruthie_marie> so it's just a book
<Martin> Gekkura:" Tolerate them... If they're like Ruthie here you should be able to have more fun than them" :P
<decsuna> evolution is not just a book. it's general, global, proven, studied science.
<Martin> Yes let's burn it :P
<ruthie_marie> I feel so sorry for y'all
<decsuna> and no one "believes" in it.
<ruthie_marie> cause if y'all believe
<decsuna> we all just know it explains what we know.
<ruthie_marie> in chance
<ruthie_marie> like that
<ruthie_marie> y'all probably are not saved
<decsuna> i don't believe in chance.
<ruthie_marie> and will go to hell
<decsuna> and i don't believe in hell either.
<ruthie_marie> see
<Martin> I doubt you have the power to inforce hell on any of us...
<ruthie_marie> you will
<Gekkura> I feel sorry for the devil then. He'll have to deal with me.
<ruthie_marie> when you die
<ruthie_marie> hell is hotter than any fire on earth
<ruthie_marie> ever
<Martin> No actually I'll go to heaven and you'll go to hell for not following the words of jesus :P
<decsuna> i'm not afraid even if i go to hell, i have nothing to regret :)
<ruthie_marie> and you will be in it forever
<decsuna> how do you know ruth, been there?
<Martin> No you will ruthie :P
<ruthie_marie> jesus sauud
<ruthie_marie> god created the earth
<ruthie_marie> !
<Kageshin> Ruthie how old are you?
<ruthie_marie> 15
<Gekkura> Jesus was Jewish.
<decsuna> she's 15
<decsuna> it shows
<Gekkura> Not Christian.
<ruthie_marie> jesus was god
<Gekkura> Jewish.
<Martin> Jesus definately believed in tolerance...
<ruthie_marie> and he saud
<ruthie_marie> said
<Kageshin> Where you from?
<Gekkura> He was the son of god, not a god
<ruthie_marie> that he is the way
<ruthie_marie> truth and life
<Martin> He did indeed say that he was a god gekkura...to my knowledge anyway...
<ruthie_marie> all that believes
<ruthie_marie> in him
<decsuna> i say i am the way too, why do you believe jesus and not me?:)
<ruthie_marie> will have ever lasting life
<Martin> All hail the savior Decs!!! The messiah!!!
<Martin> She shall save us all!!! :P
<ruthie_marie> for god so-loved the world...that he gave his only begotten son...that whosoever believes in him will have ever;asting life
<Gekkura> This conversation amuses me...
<ruthie_marie> John 3:16
<decsuna> i say i am the way too, why do you believe jesus and not me?:)
<Martin> Same :P
<Kageshin> Ruthie I'm curious, where are you from? You don't have to give an exact local just a region. EUrope? US? Northeast? Southwest?
<Martin> Obviously the us :P
<ruthie_marie> us
<decsuna> US south
<decsuna> of course
<ruthie_marie> texas
<decsuna> see? told ya :)
<Martin> People probably like you because of what you say... Must be why you are so persistant with it :P
<ruthie_marie> why do people always just diss christians?
<Martin> But you'll get bashed for it one day...
<ruthie_marie> oh wait
<Gekkura> Always?
<ruthie_marie> I know
<ruthie_marie> because it's the truth
<Kageshin> People don't diss christians because they're christians.
<Gekkura> Not the persecution whining...
<Kageshin> They only diss the die-hards
<Kageshin> the ones who aren't open to anything else.
<ruthie_marie> you diss us
<Martin> You will because you have not found the limit yet... People have limits...and you will because you're not old enough...
<ruthie_marie> you diss GOD!
<ruthie_marie> cause we are his children
<Gekkura> God, you suck! That better?
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<Martin> Yes because we believe in the almighty decsuna :P
<Gekkura> That I do it directly?
<ruthie_marie> you will see
<Gekkura> I haven't been smote yet.
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<ruthie_marie> when you die
<ruthie_marie> you will see
<Gekkura> He too lazy to do it now?
<ruthie_marie> and I warned you
<Kageshin> I'm a confirmed Catholic, technically speaking.
<Martin> Gekkura obviously god would rather bless you for standing on the frontal assult of such a firce social stupidity :P
<Kageshin> Doesn't mean I'm nuts about scripture
<Kageshin> doesn't mean I have to believe everything
<Martin> My god would atleast...
<decsuna> i'm a pagan, for most of it
<Martin> And he's good... ^_^
<Kageshin> Don't let faith blind you to common sense.
<ruthie_marie> most pagans are witches
<Martin> means they have cool hair:P
<Gekkura> Witches aren't bad
<Martin> Like me :P
<Kageshin> Don't let faith close you to fascinating educational opportunities. Don't let God deprive you of intellect.
<ruthie_marie> they do what satan wants them to do
<decsuna> i am a witch :)
<decsuna> but i'm a good witch
<Martin> Mutie witch ... :P
<Gekkura> Witches don't believe in satan
<Martin> lmao
<ruthie_marie> there is no such thing as a good witch
<ruthie_marie> satan is real
<Gekkura> Are you from the Salem Trials era or something?
<decsuna> and i tell you i have nothing at all to do with satan, i don't even know the dude:)
<Martin> No just texas Gekkura ;)
<ruthie_marie> he wants you to think that
<decsuna> same thing:)
<Martin> YOU want us to think that :P
<ruthie_marie> he has blinded you
<Martin> YOU are blind :P
<Gekkura> Why must some blame everything on the devil?
<ruthie_marie> god says to stay away from that stuff
<decsuna> i work for god, not satan
<ruthie_marie> then do what he says
<Gekkura> Too scared to take responsibility for your own actions?
<decsuna> i do that
<ruthie_marie> he says to stay away from that pagan stuffI thought you read the bible
<Gekkura> Let me tell you something
<decsuna> "that pagan stuff"
<ruthie_marie> is withcraft
<decsuna> i didn't see that phrase in the bible.
<Gekkura> Alot of the pagan stuff is celebrated by christians
<ruthie_marie> witchcraft
<Gekkura> Even Christmas has pagan influences
<Martin> Ruthie... you are a very selfish person.. PERIOD :p
<Gekkura> The tree, and Santa Claus
<decsuna> christmas and easter are purely pagan holidays adapted by christians.
<ruthie_marie> I don't care what y'all say
<Martin> and we don't care what you say
<ruthie_marie> no they are not
<Gekkura> It was an attempt to get pagans to convert
<Martin> Indeed ^^
<ruthie_marie> christmas is when we celebrate jesus's birthday
<decsuna> well yes they are. christmas = yule (winter solstice)
<ruthie_marie> and easter is when we celebrate him coming back from the dead
<Kageshin> Jesus wasn't actually born in december
<Martin> And in danish Christmas is called Jul... Yule? jul? is that close? :P
<ruthie_marie> I know
<ruthie_marie> we just celebrate it then
<decsuna> the god of sun, yule, pagan god, was born on the winter solstice, which is when the days begin to get longer
<Martin> Because we're stupid :P
<decsuna> on christmas basically.
<ruthie_marie> but it's not
<decsuna> that's why christmas is when it is.
<ruthie_marie> show me your proof
<Martin> I know all :P
<Martin> I say it is right
<Martin> ^^
<Gekkura> Show us yours!
<decsuna> read on pagan traditions that are odler than christianity.
<ruthie_marie> ok
<ruthie_marie> the bible
<ruthie_marie> read it
<ruthie_marie> once in a while
<Martin> Don't tell us to do :P
<Martin> *what to do*
<ruthie_marie> that's ur proof
<Martin> We can decide on that ... telling us what to do will be annoying
<Martin> have some empathy into other people man!
<ruthie_marie> you told me to show you proof
<ruthie_marie> I did show you it
<decsuna> not everything that's in the bible is true. most of the bible was made up for political and social manipulation of people that were in power at the time.
<ruthie_marie> and how do you know that
<Gekkura> The bible has been edited
<Martin> Because we have intelligence
<Martin> your new god
<Martin> mwuhahahahhaahaha
<Martin> :P
<decsuna> history is a science too you know.
<ruthie_marie> dude if it was edited like you say
<ruthie_marie> god would not let that happen
* Kageshin just chills in the corner
<ruthie_marie> and my mother has died and came back to life
<ruthie_marie> she has been
<ruthie_marie> to heaven
<Gekkura> King James insisted on translating one part as "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" even though it was poisoner originally
<ruthie_marie> so I know it's true
<Martin> Ahh I see now why you are so persistant
<ruthie_marie> and I have seen an angel
<ruthie_marie> and have proof
<ruthie_marie> to
<Gekkura> And I went to a Christian school when I was younger.
<ruthie_marie> stuff in the bible
<Martin> Ruthie I'm sure your mother is having a good time right now... Since she has crossed over.... :p
<decsuna> i have seen many "angels"
<decsuna> but that doesn't make me believe the bible.
<ruthie_marie> you mean deaons thatm lact ike them
<Gekkura> Christians aren't the only ones who beleive in angels
<ruthie_marie> that act*
<decsuna> almost all religions have some kind of angels.
<ruthie_marie> angels are part of the christian religion
<decsuna> or superior beings of some kind.
<Gekkura> But not exclusive to it
<Martin> They're aliens come to devour us :P
<ruthie_marie> angels were created by god
<ruthie_marie> god says to stay away from the evil ways of the world
<Martin> Yet you're spreading your belief?
<decsuna> ruthie, if you believe in the bible so much, what are you doing on a jedi website? aren't we a bunch of witches and wizards?
<Martin> I think that's evil
<ruthie_marie> not all
<ruthie_marie> I came here to chat
<ruthie_marie> with my friends that come one here
<Martin> Relegious tolerance... I am a strong believer in that...
<ruthie_marie> I don't linger
<ruthie_marie> on evil tings
<Martin> That is good...wHile what you do Ruthie is evil :P
<ruthie_marie> and this is a site for religion
<ruthie_marie> not just pagan
<decsuna> and you think pagans are evil, that's not very tolerant.
<Martin> AND the fa believes in relegious tolerance aswell
<Gekkura> Evil...if you knew anything about pagans you would know they're not evil.
<Gekkura> The Jews were pagan once.
<decsuna> we all believe in the same thing. we just name it differently.
<Gekkura> And Jesus was Jewish.
<Gekkura> Was he evil?
<ruthie_marie> satan influences pagan acts
<decsuna> nope.
<ruthie_marie> and jews are not evil
<Martin> Ruthie... You have to agree with everything in the bible... it's is the only true thing in the world :P
<ruthie_marie> they are god's people
<Gekkura> But pagans are?
<Gekkura> Why are Jews the exception?
<ruthie_marie> pagans are blinded by satan
<Martin> Yeah pagans are blinded by satan... ^^
<Gekkura> Like I said, Jewish people were once pagan.
<Martin> damn you pagans!
<Martin> :P
<ruthie_marie> no they were not
<Gekkura> Yes they were
<ruthie_marie> and I'm not jewish
<Gekkura> Do some reasearch
<ruthie_marie> for your information
<Martin> jewish are evil too :P
<ruthie_marie> jews will go to hell too if they do not get saved
<decsuna> this ruthie girl doesn't know much about anything. no wonder she has such an easy time believing everything in the bible.
<ruthie_marie> all will go to hell
<ruthie_marie> if they don't get saved
<ruthie_marie> the bible is true
<Martin> Yep
<Martin> The bible is true ^^
<decsuna> i'm not afraid of hell.
<ruthie_marie> how can you believe what you think is real?!
<Kageshin> How does one get "saved" ruthie
<Martin> Believe in the bible and jesus
<Martin> :P
<ruthie_marie> by asking Jesus Christ into their hearts.... and asking him to save him.
<Martin> yeah ^^
<Kageshin> Okay now here's a scenario
<decsuna> five six seven eight, i believe in jesus and don't masturbate
<decsuna> lol
<Martin> :P
<ruthie_marie> don't make fun of God
<Kageshin> Let's say you are a loving person. You volunteer at soup kitchens, help kittens, run an inbetween home for messed up kids
<Kageshin> You are doing the work of charity and good will, but you're a pagan.
<ruthie_marie> Jesus says you can only go to heaven through him
<Kageshin> Damned to hell are you?
<ruthie_marie> jesus said
<Gekkura> Jesus this, Jesus that. Don't you ever think for yourself?
<decsuna> jesus says that because he wants monopoly :)
<Martin> No because he clearly is evil decs :P
<Kageshin> What's your answer, Ruthie?
<Martin> a demon from another plane o_O
<ruthie_marie> I am the way, the truth and the life... none can go to the father but through me
<decsuna> wanting monopoly is evil, like bill gates.
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<Martin> wbness
<Gekkura> thanks
<ruthie_marie> I'll tell you
<decsuna> i'm a vegetarian, is that going to get me to hell too?
<ruthie_marie> John 16:13
<Martin> Eww a vegetarian!!! You are different!!! You must perish!!! Grrrrr :P
<decsuna> lol
<decsuna> i would be very glad if being a vegetarian wouldn't mean being different :/
<ruthie_marie> AND IN THAT DAY YE SHALL ASK MENOTHING. VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO YOU, WHATSOEVER YE SHALL ASK THE FATHER IN MY NAME I SHALL GIVE IT TO YOU
<Martin> what is menothing?
<Martin> miav?
<decsuna> what if john wrote that because he wanted cash?
<ruthie_marie> ME NOTHING*
<Martin> catsounds?
<Martin> ohh :P
<Gekkura> Why is it that all fanatics can do is quote scriptures?
<ruthie_marie> THAT WAS WHAT GOD SAID
<ruthie_marie> NOT JOHN
<ruthie_marie> JESUS*
<ruthie_marie> JESUS SAID THAT
<decsuna> i see john signed there
<Martin> I LOVE CAPS... IT MAKES FOR A SURREAL EXPERIANCE.... I AM AN ARTIST.
<ruthie_marie> NOT JOHN
<Kageshin> That's not the message of Jesus.
<Kageshin> The message of Jesus was LOVE
<Martin> ALL YOUR CAPS ARE BELONG TO US
<decsuna> FREE love at that ;P
<ruthie_marie> he has more than one message'
<Kageshin> But love is the primary all-encompassing one.
<Kageshin> Yes, he came down to die for our sins
<ruthie_marie> read john chapter 14
<ruthie_marie> if you want to know
<ruthie_marie> so much
<Kageshin> he came down to ask for our faith
<Kageshin> but how did he meet everyone? With love, Ruthie.
<Martin> Actually I just think he was being showoffish... hey I'm the son of god...watch me :P
<Kageshin> By that one principle alone, those who love truly and righteously, are not damned no matter their religion.
<ruthie_marie> let not you heart be troubled, ye believe in God, believe also in me
<decsuna> believe in me, give me cash :P
<ruthie_marie> where does it say that in the bible
<ruthie_marie> no where
<Kageshin> It doesn't not say it either.
<ruthie_marie> it says
<Gekkura> Again I ask Ruthie, don't you ever think? At all? Or can you just spout quotes?
<Martin> Yes that's what I was trying to say too before kageshin... ^^
<ruthie_marie> none can go to the father
<ruthie_marie> but through jesus
<Kageshin> and Jesus represents love
<decsuna> but i don't want to go to the father.
<Kageshin> I'd rather go to the mother, personally, if she exists.
<ruthie_marie> john 3:16
<ruthie_marie> read it
<ruthie_marie> if you want
<Martin> not yet anyway decs :P
<ruthie_marie> to know the truth
<Kageshin> (and btw I'm with ya Gekk)
<Martin> I already know the truth... it lies buried somewhere here at the fa:P
<Gekkura> (thanks. Really it's not good to just go along with something blindly...)
<Martin> treasure hunt ^^
<Martin> I'm a mighty pirate...yar!
<decsuna> (i'm wirk gekk too btw:)
<decsuna> *with
<ruthie_marie> jesus said
<Martin> (I'm without gekk.... he is not here) :P
<ruthie_marie> I am the true vine
<Martin> vine?!!?!?
<ruthie_marie> and my father is the husbandman
<Martin> .....
<decsuna> jesus smoked way too much pot.
<Martin> apparantly :P
<Martin> Future hippy lost in a time machine ^_^
* Kageshin won't even go into the Gnostic view of Jesus
<decsuna> yay, gnostics :)
<ruthie_marie> I can't believe you are letting them make jokes about Jesus, Kageshin
<Kageshin> It's not a joke.
<decsuna> what should she do?
<Martin> Free thought rules the day...
<ruthie_marie> oh so saying Jesus smoked pot
<Kageshin> Gnosticism was/is a real religion who have a completely different take on Jesus
<ruthie_marie> is not a joke
<decsuna> no it's not.
<Kageshin> Decs I'm getting blamed for your joke. Thanks sis
<decsuna> i don't really mind if i get blamed for something by this person :)
<Martin> Pot can give you a sensation of higher heavenly divine inspiration (something) :p so saying he smoked pot is equal to saying that he had divine inspiration in how he worded himself :P
<ruthie_marie> he was GOD
<decsuna> yes, rastafarians know that.
<Martin> Wannabe god... not god
<ruthie_marie> he was sinless
<Martin> he wasnt at all
<ruthie_marie> so he did not smoke
<ruthie_marie> pot
<Martin> he had many sins in fact
<Martin> his followers knew of them
<ruthie_marie> he was sinless
<Martin> God wanted it that way
<decsuna> smoking pot is not a sin, just a decision.
<Martin> He was not
<Martin> smoking pot is great:P
<ruthie_marie> only a sinless person could take the sins of the world
<ruthie_marie> away
<decsuna> i don't smoke
<Martin> but he didnt..
<Martin> they're still here
<Martin> He just enlightened us
<Martin> that was his purpose
<decsuna> he sure didn't take any of my sins
<ruthie_marie> you have to eccept
<Martin> he loved your sins decs :)
<Gekkura> I'm going to hell according to you, so how are sins gone?
<ruthie_marie> him
<decsuna> oh i bet you'd love my sins too ;)
<ruthie_marie> and ask him into your heart
<ruthie_marie> to be forgiven
<ruthie_marie> from in
<ruthie_marie> sin*
<Martin> :P
<decsuna> then he's a jerk. if he was nice he'd forgive me anyway.
<Kageshin> I thought that's what priests were for
<decsuna> i forgive people just like that too.
<ruthie_marie> no
<ruthie_marie> only God/Jesus
<ruthie_marie> can forgive
<ruthie_marie> you sins
<ruthie_marie> to be able to go to heaven
<Martin> heaven doesnt exist
<Martin> but you do
<Martin> do something about life
<ruthie_marie> yes it does
<Martin> no it doesnt
<decsuna> i'm not going to heaven, i'm going to be reborn
<Martin> it's a fairytale
<ruthie_marie> you are going to go to hell
<ruthie_marie> if you do not get saved
<Martin> hell isnt a place either
<decsuna> if that's what you call it:)
<Martin> you are saved
<Martin> saved by yourself
<ruthie_marie> I asked Jesus to come into my heart
<Gekkura> "I'll go to heaven fot the climate and hell for the company."
<Martin> that is the only one who can save you anyway
<ruthie_marie> so yes... I'm saved
<Martin> jesus doesnt care if you're saved or not
<Martin> he cares if you care...
<ruthie_marie> Jesus
<Martin> he cares if you believe...
<ruthie_marie> is the only person
<Martin> he cares taht you are you...
<ruthie_marie> who can save you
<Martin> nope
<Martin> Jesus can't save you
<decsuna> if Satan wants to take me to hell, i'm prepared to kick his a** anytime :P
<Martin> he doesnt have that power
<Martin> god does...
<Gekkura> Me too decs
<ruthie_marie> satan has more power
<ruthie_marie> than you will ever have
<decsuna> not more than me
<ruthie_marie> and God has more power than him
<Gekkura> And you know this how?
<Martin> satan only has power of you believe in him
<decsuna> i can kick satan's a** with my positive energy
<ruthie_marie> it says in the bible
<decsuna> with my love
<ruthie_marie> satan is the prince of evil
<Martin> the bible is outdated...
<ruthie_marie> and lies
<Martin> there is no prince of evil
<Martin> evil doesnt even exist
<decsuna> evil is powerless against love
<ruthie_marie> the bible goes all the way
<Martin> nobody wanted it to so therefore
<ruthie_marie> to the end of the world
<Martin> the bible should be destroyed
<ruthie_marie> it tells the future
<Martin> jesus and god would have wanted that... they do not believe that it is being used correctly..
<Gekkura> the future...
<Martin> because it's not
<ruthie_marie> yes they do
<decsuna> Futurama even tells you when the second coming of Jesus will be
<Gekkura> Isn't divination pagan and therefore evil?
<ruthie_marie> or it would already be destroyed
<ruthie_marie> and
<ruthie_marie> they wrote it
<Martin> they didnt
<ruthie_marie> through people
<Martin> but they wish theyd did
<ruthie_marie> they did write it
<ruthie_marie> through people
<Martin> They didnt have anything to say in the matter
<Gekkura> People wrote it. People are flawed.
<Martin> No... People arent conduits like that...they have their free will
<Gekkura> Therefore mistakes have been made.
<Martin> exactly
<ruthie_marie> The holy spirit told them what to say
<ruthie_marie> in other word
<ruthie_marie> God
<Martin> the holy spirit doesnt exist
<Martin> it's a dream
<ruthie_marie> it does to exist
<decsuna> the FOrce pwns jesus and satan and god :P
<Martin> in your mind
<Martin> but nowhere else
<ruthie_marie> I don't beleive in the force
<Martin> and nowhere else because it does not
<Martin> it never did exist...
<ruthie_marie> God does exist
<Martin> The force exists... it is a powerfull thing ... it is always good to learn about it
<decsuna> you don't believe in the force, then what are you doing in #theforce?
<ruthie_marie> how can you say that exists
<Martin> slacking :P
<Martin> because I have seen it
<ruthie_marie> if you say
<ruthie_marie> god does not
<Martin> i have used it...and I am it... and it is me..
<decsuna> i say god exists.
<ruthie_marie> you can't see air only particals but you know it's ther
<ruthie_marie> there*
<ruthie_marie> does that mean it does not exist
<Martin> feeling is just as good
<Martin> if you know how to feel
<decsuna> i don't see particles
<Martin> meditation is helpfull
<ruthie_marie> I feel God's presence
<Martin> within you?
<ruthie_marie> all around me
<ruthie_marie> and in me
<Martin> Too much in you actually
<decsuna> lol
<ruthie_marie> you only believe what you see
<ruthie_marie> or can explain
<Martin> you cannot know that
<Martin> you are not all knowing and you are not jesus
<ruthie_marie> I never said I was
<Martin> yes you did
<decsuna> i don't believe in anything.
<decsuna> at all.
<ruthie_marie> did I say I was Jesus
<decsuna> i only study.
<Martin> you thought it
<ruthie_marie> no I did not
<Martin> you want to be
<ruthie_marie> no I don't
<Martin> yes you do :P
<decsuna> i'm better than jesus
<ruthie_marie> whatever
* Kageshin glances over at her "Religious Views of Life" poster
* Kageshin giggles
<ruthie_marie> I can't beleieve you Kageshin
<decsuna> i'm smarter than jesus, and i look better.
<Kageshin> What'd I do now
<Martin> ^_^
<ruthie_marie> you don't even speak up
<ruthie_marie> for God
<ruthie_marie> and Jesus
<Gekkura> Stop blaming other people because YOUR thinking is flawed!
<Kageshin> Why should I?
<Martin> no for you...ruthie...for you...
<ruthie_marie> and you say you are Catholic
<Kageshin> Oh, oops that's right. I'm supposed to be a Catholic.
<Martin> you identify with both god and jesus...you want to be jesus...
<Kageshin> It's total bogus for them to confirm you at 13. You don't know what you're doing.
<Kageshin> I've been pretty non-religious for seven years now
<Martin> since there is other things to life
<Kageshin> actually no... wait.. .i was 14
<decsuna> they confirm babies when they are born here
<ruthie_marie> but babies are babies from the start
<Kageshin> really? I thought they only baptize babies.
<ruthie_marie> the life is there from conception
<decsuna> the soul enters the baby's body on the day 48 after conception.
<ruthie_marie> no
<ruthie_marie> the soul is already there
<Martin> Ruthie... Start believing in love... Instead of something as evil and petty as what you believe now... That would be much better for you...
<ruthie_marie> I do believe in Love
<ruthie_marie> God is Love
<Martin> no you don't believe in love
<ruthie_marie> you don't
<ruthie_marie> if you think it's ok
<Martin> I believe in all ^_^
<ruthie_marie> to kill babies
<Gekkura> when did we say that?
<Martin> ruthie is just trying to get her anger out :P
<ruthie_marie> by acting like it's ok
<ruthie_marie> for abortion
<Martin> it is ok
<Martin> the babies doesnt care
<Gekkura> If you don't want people to kill babies
<ruthie_marie> what makes an unborn baby different from an born baby
<Gekkura> then you take care of them.
<Gekkura> All of them.
<Martin> hahaha
<decsuna> abortion is not favorable, but it's often better than a child being born into a very hard life.
<Martin> exactly decs
<ruthie_marie> pre babies
<ruthie_marie> feel pain
<Martin> they don't care
<decsuna> so do fish.
<decsuna> and cows.
<Martin> and they never will care
<ruthie_marie> oh so crying
<decsuna> and all other animals christians happily eat.
<ruthie_marie> is not caring
<Martin> pain is an aspect of life
<ruthie_marie> not just christians eat meat
<decsuna> but they eat meat.
<decsuna> that's not a sin?
<Martin> it's not wrong to eat meat... we have to sustain ourselves
<ruthie_marie> so
<ruthie_marie> you have to have meat to stay healthy
<decsuna> hinduists think it is a sin
<Gekkura> You don't have to
<decsuna> you don't have to, i haven't eaten it for years and i'm healthy.
<Martin> hinduists are cool :P
<ruthie_marie> plants are living things
<ruthie_marie> you eat them
<Martin> which doesnt care
<Martin> living but uncaring
<decsuna> plants don't have a nervous system that feels pain
<ruthie_marie> how do you know
<ruthie_marie> you are not a plant
<Martin> because I'm all knowing ^^
<decsuna> because i know plant anatomy.
<ruthie_marie> so
<Martin> I know your innermost feelings too O_o
<ruthie_marie> that does not prove anything
<decsuna> yes it does.
<ruthie_marie> cause you are not one'
<Martin> it proves everything
<decsuna> i'm not a planet either but i know how they move.
<ruthie_marie> this is stupid fighting about plants
<Martin> because decs is a sensitive person
<ruthie_marie> plants eat
<ruthie_marie> the venus fly trap
<ruthie_marie> eat flies
<decsuna> so what, black holes eat too.
<ruthie_marie> which is like meat
<Martin> like meat :P
<decsuna> i'm not a venus fly trap
<decsuna> i'm human
<Kageshin> Gotta run
<ruthie_marie> so what makes it ok for a venus fly trap to eat meat
<decsuna> humans are higher beings that can give up killing if they choose
<ruthie_marie> and not a human
<Gekkura> Bye Kageshin
<ruthie_marie> cya
<Martin> take care
<Kageshin> Don't break out into any religious riots while I'm gone. ;) I wanna see it happen
* Kageshin has left #theforce
<decsuna> a cat can never be a vegetarian because it's not so highly evolved to choose
<decsuna> but we can... and because we can, we sin if we choose to kill.
<ruthie_marie> they can choose
<ruthie_marie> they just eat meat
<Martin> they can't chose much...
<ruthie_marie> if they can choose where to walk
<Gekkura> A cat would die if it didn't eat meat
<ruthie_marie> they can choose
<Martin> they have very powerfull urges controlling them
<Martin> like you have at times
<ruthie_marie> we wou;d too
<decsuna> cats can't choose to stop eating meat.
<decsuna> how come i'm alive then?
<decsuna> and i don't eat meat?
<ruthie_marie> you know
<Gekkura> Why are we arguing about vegitarianism?
<ruthie_marie> it takes a while
<ruthie_marie> you are too
<decsuna> i know vegetarians that are very old
<Martin> because we're cool gekkura:p
<ruthie_marie> oh nvm
<decsuna> and have been so all their lives
<decsuna> vegetarians actually live longer on average
<ruthie_marie> ask doctors
<ruthie_marie> it's not healthy
<decsuna> i am nearly a doctor
<Martin> not healthy for you perhabs... you might die:P
<decsuna> and i know it is very healthy.
<Gekkura> Ruth, do you know what they feed the animals humans eat?
<ruthie_marie> do you study it
<Gekkura> You wouldn't still eat them if you did.
<Martin> being a vegitarian gives more will to live...
<decsuna> in 2/3 years i will be a doctor.
<decsuna> i study medinice.
<Martin> more wish to live...
<ruthie_marie> hmm......... we eat pigs
<decsuna> *medicine
<ruthie_marie> which eat scraps
<ruthie_marie> which means they eat meat
<ruthie_marie> and plants
<Martin> I couldnt study medicine:P
<Gekkura> Mad cow disease exists because they grinded up a sick sheep and fed it to some cattle
<ruthie_marie> the sheep was sick
<Gekkura> Along with steriods to get it to fatten up
<ruthie_marie> who in their right mind
<Gekkura> And certain fillers...
<ruthie_marie> would eat sick things
<Martin> sounds like it was productive o_o
<ruthie_marie> like that
<Martin> you would
<ruthie_marie> nope
<Martin> if you were forced
<Martin> you would
<decsuna> vegetarianism is healthy. that's statistically proven on large populations on people. and logical, medically.
<ruthie_marie> I only eat organtic
<Gekkura> Anyone can slap an organic label on something
<ruthie_marie> they do not study every single things
<Gekkura> How do you know they weren't lying?
<decsuna> i have studied medicine for 3 years.
<decsuna> and i have been a vegetarian most of my life.
<decsuna> and i'm never sick.
<Martin> have to go...good talking to you guys :P (kind of anyway.. enjoyed myself) ^^
<ruthie_marie> heck...people still don't know for sure what tonsils
<ruthie_marie> are
<Gekkura> Bye Martin
<ruthie_marie> for
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<ruthie_marie> I'm leaving too
<ruthie_marie> this is stupid to fight about this
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