My idea is,
We build a group of windmills. The reason is a hurricane travels with the current and winds (Trade,Arctic,Northern) If the hurricane was somehow altered with a group of windmills, it could be stopped in it's tracks. I don't know how the people would like the view and it might effect our climate but hey, its worth a shot
Miguel wrote:My idea is,
We build a group of windmills. The reason is a hurricane travels with the current and winds (Trade,Arctic,Northern) If the hurricane was somehow altered with a group of windmills, it could be stopped in it's tracks. I don't know how the people would like the view and it might effect our climate but hey, its worth a shot
Mess with mother nature and she will turn her fury on you!!
Oh, I saw it. I just think we can produce clean efficent wind energy that will blow the storm apart. It most likely won't produce a huge disturbance. If there was a increase in the oceanic temperatures it would be put to a end.
So Mr. Dubya, this is the second Lv. 5 hurricane about to crash into your home state in less than two weeks. Still think Global Warming is a big load of malarky?
Whatever you think of, it wouldn't work. The amount of energy in a hurricane is truly massive. In any instant, the kenetic energy in the wind alone in Andrew was the equivlent to the energy given off in a hydrogen bomb. We don't have any idea how to deal with an amount of energy on that scale.
Terastas wrote:So Mr. Dubya, this is the second Lv. 5 hurricane about to crash into your home state in less than two weeks. Still think Global Warming is a big load of malarky?
We're still unsure whether this is all due to global warming. Like I've said before: While hurricane intensity in the Atlantic has gone up, the total number of hurricanes in the world is on a downard trend.
I don't suffer from lycanthropy, I enjoy every minute of it!
The ways of using wind power aginst it's creation would probably work. There would just need to be at least 1,000 fans and 2 main power stations. It would be a fascinating event if we could pull such a sucess off.
I just don't think we could do anything big enough. The total energy dissipated in even a single thunderstorm is equivlent to a small (20kiloton) nuclear bomb.
Edit: Whoops. 20,000 = 20 kiloton. Not 20,000 kiloton.
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Miguel wrote:The ways of using wind power aginst it's creation would probably work. There would just need to be at least 1,000 fans and 2 main power stations. It would be a fascinating event if we could pull such a sucess off.
You are WAY underestemating the force of a hurricane.
Basic law of physics...an object in motion will remain in motion untill faced with an equal and opposite force. Unless the power of those fans are equal to the force of the hurricane. (which I don't see how they possibly could be), then it would be about as effective as blowing at it.
I'll have to search a bit to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure the energy in a hurricane is equivilant to Multiple atomic bombs.
A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20x1013 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 1013 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.
There have been numerous techniques that we have considered over the years to modify hurricanes: seeding clouds with dry ice or Silver Iodide, cooling the ocean with cryogenic material or icebergs, changing the radiational balance in the hurricane environment by absorption of sunlight with carbon black, exploding the hurricane apart with hydrogen bombs, and blowing the storm away from land with giant fans, etc. (Some of these have been addressed in detail in this section of FAQ's.) As carefully reasoned as some of these suggestions are, they all share the same shortcoming: They fail to appreciate the size and power of tropical cyclones. For example, when Hurricane Andrew struck South Florida in 1992, the eye and eyewall devastated a swath 20 miles wide. The heat energy released around the eye was 5,000 times the combined heat and electrical power generation of the Turkey Point nuclear power plant over which the eye passed. The kinetic energy of the wind at any instant was equivalent to that released by a nuclear warhead. Perhaps if the time comes when men and women can travel at nearly the speed of light to the stars, we will then have enough energy for brute-force intervention in hurricane dynamics.
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A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20x1013 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 1013 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane.
So, there we go: all we have to do is drop a few big nuclear bombs on it...
sad to say that might actually work (notice I said "might") in disapating some of the clouds.... buuut... you'll have to stay away from that area for about oh say 35 years....
Lupin wrote:We're still unsure whether this is all due to global warming. Like I've said before: While hurricane intensity in the Atlantic has gone up, the total number of hurricanes in the world is on a downard trend.
Spoken like a true patriot.
And no offense, but which would you rather have? Ten Lv. 1 hurricanes that disperse into tropical storms by the time they reach the Gulf of Mexico, or one big-bajunga Lv. 5 hurricane that wipes a major city off the map?
That's like saying it'd be better to drop a hydrogen bomb on Iraq instead of conducting air raids because then we'd only have to drop one.
The amount of 'natural' pollution that the earth itself produces is far greater than that which we produce. Global warming is definitely a problem, but I think our efforts will only result in delaying the inevitable.
I think that there's nothing we can do about hurricanes, as far as stopping them. I think we should build houses in such a way as to be less susceptible to them, such as making them dome shaped instead. Of course, part of the superdome roof was messed up, but then again that's not a true dome.
Lupin wrote:We're still unsure whether this is all due to global warming. Like I've said before: While hurricane intensity in the Atlantic has gone up, the total number of hurricanes in the world is on a downard trend.
In any case, no one, including Webster and Emanuel, is claiming that these two positive results suffice to link global warming firmly to tropical cyclone intensification.
Terastas wrote:And no offense, but which would you rather have? Ten Lv. 1 hurricanes that disperse into tropical storms by the time they reach the Gulf of Mexico, or one big-bajunga Lv. 5 hurricane that wipes a major city off the map?
They wouldn't do that, if they hit the Gulf of Mexico they'd re-intensify. The Gulf of Mexico is very warm (it produces the gulf stream whose effects can be felt in Europe) and deep. Notice both hurricanes that reached Cat. 5 both passed through the Gulf.
Terastas wrote:And since when is October hurricane season?
Since forever. According to Wikipedia: "In the North Atlantic, a distinct hurricane season occurs from June 1 to November 30[...]"
I don't suffer from lycanthropy, I enjoy every minute of it!
Yeah, but another idea is to send a group of electric bulbs into the storm to test the total force of the hurricane. People try to test many different experiments. We didn't think Einstein's experiment was going to work (Atomic Bomb). But still he pulled it off and caused hiroshima to surrender with Japan during the mid 1940s. Humans are meant to explore and invent. Think about space flight.
Miguel wrote:Yeah, but another idea is to send a group of electric bulbs into the storm to test the total force of the hurricane. People try to test many different experiments. We didn't think Einstein's experiment was going to work (Atomic Bomb). But still he pulled it off and caused hiroshima to surrender with Japan during the mid 1940s. Humans are meant to explore and invent. Think about space flight.
Instead of destroying the hurricane.....how about finding better ways to protect the city?
A Force field would be cool. Or having the entire city go underground with a touch of a button.
Miguel wrote:Yeah, but another idea is to send a group of electric bulbs into the storm to test the total force of the hurricane. People try to test many different experiments. We didn't think Einstein's experiment was going to work (Atomic Bomb). But still he pulled it off and caused hiroshima to surrender with Japan during the mid 1940s. Humans are meant to explore and invent. Think about space flight.
Well no. The math said it would work. We didn't know if the math was right. And we fly entire planes into hurricanes to gather data about the conditionds.
I don't suffer from lycanthropy, I enjoy every minute of it!
a) foul up the arir patterns and
b) go where the low-pressue zones are?
and bedised.... FANS? ugh. Hows about not living in New Orleans? If it wouldn't kill the erest of the ppl there, i'd hope NO gets a smack in the face, again, untill ppl realise that living 20 or so feet under sea level (i think it's like 14, but not sure) and right near the coast= disaster.
As for protection, i vote for rebuilding New Orleans in the middle fo the sahara. eat that, katrina!
I think we should get rid of the planes and use more advanced technology to syudy the storm. For example, (Sattilites). Man explores space...well put it to good use. You see what I mean. The planes take too long to completely study the storm. I mean I suppose since we are in the atomic age we could only use planes, but you see what I am saying.
A twenty megaton nuckular blast right in the eye!! 