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Andy Rooney said on "60 Minutes" a few weeks back:
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a** if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.
We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!
I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
And if you don't like my point of view, tough...THEN DON'T PASS IT ON!!

So I received this in an e-mail recently. For the most part, I agree with all of it. I don't know why, I just felt compelled to share it with all of you. And no, before anyone says this, none of these views are ignorant or narrowminded, nor do they necessarily embody the beliefs of all Republicans or Christians. The one about tolerance is a little iffy, but all in all, this seems well thought out, and quite ballsy.

Oh, and sorry the paragraphs got messed up.
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I see alot of good points that are hard to argue with, mixed in with alot of jack@** attitude.

All in all, I think this guy needs to realise that, by his own set of rules, everyone around him has every right to make him shut the Hell up...

Though all of what he says is mostly, or at least partially true (though WAY oversimplified), the last comment "...if you don't like it, tough..." is basically a public declaration that he has given up trying to be reasonable, and is not about to appologise to anyone.

That kind of attitude will make people HATE you. If people hate you, they will not listen to you. If they stop listening to you, then you can have the best intentions in the world, but your ranting will be a waste of your breath, and of your life, becasue it will accomplish NOTHING. ...no one will take action on the things you are ranting about... No one want's to hear it.

Don't be like this guy.

Sitting on your butt and naming off everything you see that is wrong does not make you wiser than the rest of the world. ...it just makes you a lip-flapping Jack@** who wimped out and got tired of debating.

These things most certainly need to be addressed. The world is messed up. But it will be the people who DO care if you respect and understand their point of view, and respect and try to understand yours that will be the ones who will fix them.

...not people like this who have given up trying...


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Vuldari wrote:I see alot of good points that are hard to argue with, mixed in with alot of jack@** attitude.
Ditto. He does make some halfway decent arguments, but let me sort out the crap for your convenience.
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
If you're creative enough, you can kill anyone with anything. But what practical and non-violent purpose was a gun originally invented for? Guns do not make a man a killer, but they do imply that the thought has crossed their mind.
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
And that's perfectly fine if you can keep it to yourself. So you feel that just because the presence of someone or something bothers you, you feel it's within your right to deprive it from the entire country?
And guns don't make you edgy in the slightest?
And most of all, if you tick us off, does the same right extend to you?
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a** if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
So if I'm a cop, I say "blow me" and you say "no," that means I can blow you away?
I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.
True, but unless their based on a true story, movies and television never make any attempt to convince us otherwise. That's why "professional" wrestlers, politicians and severely one-sided political commentators like yourself get so much crap.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.
Tell that to Macintosh, Corel, Lindows, Netscape, Linux... The list goes on and on.
And if you don't like my point of view, tough...THEN DON'T PASS IT ON!!
But he certainly gives a crap when CBS decides not to pass it on. :wink:

I also distinctly remember this guy proclaiming the wonderment of "intelligent design," to which I have only to say: "I agree. The purple nurple is a gift from God!"

EDIT: This one just occurred to me:
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"
There's no right way to raise a kid, but there are plenty of easy ways to **** up royally as parents. One way is to whack your kid. The spanking is the most basic example of the "might makes right" mentality, and when you whack your kid, you're not teaching him what he can and can't do, you're teaching him that he can be the boss when he's older. Kids that learn "behave or get whacked" grow up to say "my way or die," and if you can't make a point without anything other than words or no dessert, guess what? Your point is a stupid one!

Are you sure you're not just bitter because you were spanked and now you want to see what was so fun about it?
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First off, while I agree with much of what he said, I think he did a terrible job of presenting it. His bad attitude loses him all credibility. It's a real turn-off.

I'm not even sure I'd have bothered reading it under normal circumstances.



I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
Even though I don't think that's anywhere near the best way to put it, this does bring up an important point. From time to time, I've pondered this kind of thing, and my conclusion has always been that, ultimately, all these special organizations and special rules, etc. are the most racist of them all, no matter how harmful or beneficial.
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
I basically agree, but this is a complicated issue, and there's a lot more to it than just that...
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?
Eh. Who cares so much, though? Is this important, either way?

His justification is terrible and mortally flawed. I'd be ashamed if I tried to convince someone with an argument like that! But I agree with the basic idea behind it. I think there are tangible, behavioral differences between boys and girls, and I see no reason why you cannot have an organization that caters to those differences. Sure, it's not perfect -- some will fall between the cracks. Maybe it would even be better if they were combined somehow, but... does it matter? Really?
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
Yeah, he has every right to be that way, but most people seem to understand that life is better when they aren't... People who act like that are only hurting themselves and others, and that's Stupid.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
That's just common sense. It's sad how often statistics are misused, misapplied, and/or misrepresented. I don't like his broader implication, however...
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!
I disagree completely.
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a** if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
Erk. Yes and no. There are a couple different issues here.

1) If you threaten them, they have every right to respond appropriately in defense.

2) It goes the other way, too: No person has a right to threaten my life, police officer or not. They may not pull a gun on me unless I have threatened their life or someone else's. I have every right to respond in defense of my life if they do.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.
I agree, but for a different reason. The government should not have the power or ability to do anything even remotely like that anyway.
We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.
It's always open to interpretation -- that's how language works.

And that entire "We did not ... risk our lives" argument is inapplicable and petty.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
Bah. Forget about all that and take it on a case-by-case basis. Some poor people might deserve the pity. Some rich people might have done things that deserve hate. But the group itself is not a justification for either emotion.
I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.
A lot of people must like it, or it wouldn't be so popular! Personally, I don't care whether or not it's fake -- I don't bother with it either way.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more.
I agree. Even though I'm a Linux person, I still acknowledge the service he's provided the world. I just prefer something else, myself. I wouldn't deny him his money.
If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.
I disagree. How many people are capable of that nowadays? It's not a matter of writing a simple DOS... It takes tens of thousands of educated people anymore. In fact, I would say most people lack even the technical capability to use the other available options. I doubt they're mad that he makes so much money. Most probably, they're mad that they're stuck with so few options and that they're being railroaded into buying his products and their upgrades.
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"
Agreed.
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!
I disagree. They can pretend as they wish. They may even be ugly if they wish.
I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
Some of those are really silly, but you don't have to use them if you don't want to, and no one should be able to force them on you.
And if you don't like my point of view, tough...THEN DON'T PASS IT ON!!
I don't care about your petty ultimatum. I will decide whether or not to pass this on regardless of whether I like your point of view or not!
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I don't feel like answering all of Andy Rooney's statements. Some are stupid while others have good points.




I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
Can we be more specific? We have North America, Central America, and South America.
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Yeah, I agree with most of what most of you have said (redundancy queen here). Lots of good points, which I agree with, but terrible presentation. I will comment further at a later time.
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I agree with most of what’s been said, except for the attitude. That’s no way to discuss things, people should walk out of the discussion or debate with more information or ideas, doing that doesn’t help at all. It’s forcing your opinion, and it’s just mean and rude.
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
I think about this all the time, and even just today. I was watching that Channel one thing today and it was talking about dress codes for players in the NBA. Apparently people were complaining that because most of the NBA is black, that they are just singling out black people and trying to make them have a dress code. I really don’t think that. It’s true, we’re not out to get at “minorities’, yet people somehow seem to think that way. And hate crimes? If I punch someone isn’t that hate? Isn’t any crime where someone hurts another full of hate? And I really don’t like the stuff helping “minorities’, we don’t live in a country anymore where people other than whites are lesser and have less a chance. They have just as good a chance to live greatly, why help only blacks when there are also poor whites?

What about white history month? And what do people who are black today have to do with their past? Black kids don’t have to like black history, and they were not the ones that worked as slaves on plantations, so what do they have to do with the problems slaves faced? Do I have anything to do with maybe one of my ancestors were slave owners? There should be no history month for a certain race, that’s racism.
I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe.
Ditto.
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I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
Agreed. Such funds and organizations specifically for one race are just wrong, unless of course it is perfectly ok for other races to set up similar funds. And he's right about the Jesse Jackson thing...if a group of white people did start a white college fund or something, there definitely would be a lot of (completely unjustified and wrong) black opposition.
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
I agree. I believe that everyone has a right to have a gun. So many people forget that guns are also used for hunting, which there's nothing wrong with. Also, even if guns were banned, the kind of people who would kill another person with a gun will still manage to get one anyway, and their victim will be gunless, since, after all, guns were banned. Sometime soon I plan to get a gun for myself, to put in my car in case someone ever tries to hijack my car and kill me. I have every right to own a gun, and so does everyone else, and I hope it always stays that way.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?
*sigh* I don't know about this one. There's nothing wrong with segregating things, as long as both sides are treated equally. Quite frankly, though, I wouldn't want to be a girl scout. Boy scouts get to do so much cooler stuff. Just because I'm a girl, doesn't mean I want to sit around and do girly stuff, maybe I wanna go outside and do outdoorsy type stuff. I think, ultimately, I disagree with this one. If I was a child, boy scouts would suit my personality much more, so why should I have to be left out just because I lack certain equipment? The fundamental differences between boys and girls is slight, most of the differences exist because society has imposed them.
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
Eh. Sure. But don't be an a** about it.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
Agreed. Completely.
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!
YESYESYESYESYES. True, this country doesn't have an official language. But, we should. Hopefully someday we will. Either way, the overwhelming majority of people here speak English. I think that people who want to come to this country should have to be decently fluent in English before we let them in.
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a** if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
Yeah, I kinda agree. Policeman aren't regular people, they have been entrusted to uphold the law. As long as they're giving a legitimate order, you should do it.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.
Agreed.
We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.
Not entirely sure.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
As a general rule, I agree with this. The poor are poor because of their own actions, and the rich are rich because of their actions. You make the bed, you lie in it. Granted, there are exceptions to this (to which I make an exception for), but for the most part, a person's fate is the result of their own doing.
I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.
Sure.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.
Yes. It's his baby, he deserves all the rewards. Though I doubt that anyone could devise a better OS than Windows, I don't dispute Gates' rights to keep what is his.
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"
Yes. Physical punishment (if done properly) is a great way to discipline a child. It teaches them what is right and what is wrong. If done properly, it doesn't 'damage them emotionally' or turn them into some kind of weird person. My brother and I, and most of my friends, were whipped when we were children if we did something wrong, and we have all turned out wonderfully. The way current parents are raising their small children is awful.
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!
Yeah, please stay inside if you have some kind of infection. Show the rest of us some courtesy. That's one thing I hate about this country, nobody is considerate of others anymore.
I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
Agreed.
And if you don't like my point of view, tough...THEN DON'T PASS IT ON!!
Well, I agree for the most part, and I passed it on.
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Hmm... You know, for most of those replies, I would just point up at my previous response, but this one I think needs a little more clarification.
Excelsia wrote:Yes. It's his baby, he deserves all the rewards. Though I doubt that anyone could devise a better OS than Windows, I don't dispute Gates' rights to keep what is his.
What a lot of people overlook is that Bill Gates is not resented because of his wealth, but because of his business practices. Bill Gates is, simply put, a bully, and a lot of the products that come free with your Windows installation, Explorer, Word, etc. are not only blatant copies of other programs developed by other companies, (Explorer for Navigator, Word for WordPerfect, etc.) they are offered for free for the simple purpose of running the other companies into the ground. Bill Gates developed his first program, but now he's stealing others.

Write my own program? That'd be great, if only Bill would let me.
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Excelsia wrote:
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
I agree. I believe that everyone has a right to have a gun. So many people forget that guns are also used for hunting, which there's nothing wrong with. Also, even if guns were banned, the kind of people who would kill another person with a gun will still manage to get one anyway, and their victim will be gunless, since, after all, guns were banned. Sometime soon I plan to get a gun for myself, to put in my car in case someone ever tries to hijack my car and kill me. I have every right to own a gun, and so does everyone else, and I hope it always stays that way.
As a matter of personal opinion, I strongly disagree with this.

Hunting rifles, if you are a hunter and keep them locked up and unloaded when you are not using them, are fine.

...but handguns are built to kill other humans. That is all that they do. Ownership of one suggests that you plan on, or are willing to kill another human being with it some day.

The only reason you need one is because the bad guys have them too.

If no one had handguns (and semi-automatics), then we would all be better off.

...sure...SOME people would still get them, even if they were banned...but many, many, many people would not. (Only the worst of the worst...career criminals and people who go out of ther way to break the law and kill someone would go through the trouble to get one.)

So Many spontanious, and accidental deaths would be avoided if such tools of death were made far more difficult to aquire.

I HOPE that it does NOT stay the way it is for long.


(To those who own handguns: Are you really prepared to be a murderer...even in self defense?)
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I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?
*sigh* I don't know about this one. There's nothing wrong with segregating things, as long as both sides are treated equally. Quite frankly, though, I wouldn't want to be a girl scout. Boy scouts get to do so much cooler stuff. Just because I'm a girl, doesn't mean I want to sit around and do girly stuff, maybe I wanna go outside and do outdoorsy type stuff. I think, ultimately, I disagree with this one. If I was a child, boy scouts would suit my personality much more, so why should I have to be left out just because I lack certain equipment? The fundamental differences between boys and girls is slight, most of the differences exist because society has imposed them.
This is a silly argument if you ask me.

If girls want to join the BOY SCOUTS because they like what they do more than what the GIRL SCOUTS do, then they should either form a new organization that Will allow both Boys and Girls, or complain to the GIRL SCOUTS to incorperate more varied activities that real girls actually want to do.

...not pester the group for boys who want to act like boys with other boys.
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I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!
YESYESYESYESYES. True, this country doesn't have an official language. But, we should. Hopefully someday we will. Either way, the overwhelming majority of people here speak English. I think that people who want to come to this country should have to be decently fluent in English before we let them in.
NONONONONONONO...

Language is a beautiful thing...and quite honestly, the English language SUCKS. I think the rest of America should stop being lazy and stubborn and learn a second or third language themselves, rather than sit on their butts and complain that those other people should learn a language foreign to them instead.

Everyone should speak at least two languages. IMHO.
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I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
As a general rule, I agree with this. The poor are poor because of their own actions, and the rich are rich because of their actions. You make the bed, you lie in it. Granted, there are exceptions to this (to which I make an exception for), but for the most part, a person's fate is the result of their own doing.
Agreed. (with exceptions, as you said)
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It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"
Yes. Physical punishment (if done properly) is a great way to discipline a child. It teaches them what is right and what is wrong. If done properly, it doesn't 'damage them emotionally' or turn them into some kind of weird person. My brother and I, and most of my friends, were whipped when we were children if we did something wrong, and we have all turned out wonderfully. The way current parents are raising their small children is awful.
I think I was spanked two or three times in my entire life. Otherwise, my parents raised me under an almost unwavering policy of understanding and tolerance, and I am a very well mannered, kind, inteligent and understanding person because of it.

I've noticed that humans can be very much like wild animals (such as wolves) in the sense that the young will often try to challenge the authority of thier elders by force, and therefore, sometimes the only way to keep thier egos in check is to respond with equal or greater force. ...show them who the boss is...


However, I highly encourage discretion about such strategies. If use of physical force can be avoided, however much more difficult the alternative may be, it should be.
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I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
Agreed.
Yes...I never really understood that either.
(...although, if I were to try to name my nationality, the speech would require an intermission for refereshments and use of the restrooms before I finished.)
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Terastas wrote:Bill Gates is, simply put, a bully, and a lot of the products that come free with your Windows installation, Explorer, Word, etc. are not only blatant copies of other programs developed by other companies, (Explorer for Navigator, Word for WordPerfect, etc.) they are offered for free for the simple purpose of running the other companies into the ground.
Two things:

1) Most of Word's concepts and ideas didn't come from WordPerfect, but from Bravo, a word processor developed at Xerox PARC. Which makes sense because Microsoft hired the guy who designed it, several years previous. What moved people from WordPerfect to Word was good, old-fashoned stupidity. (WordPerfect's falure to produce a windows version.)

2) Microsoft Office is nowhere near free. Never has been, either. Just the standard edition costs almost $350.


Edit: I was reminded of another reason why Word became the defacto standard. In their infinite wisdom, WordPerfect decided not to copy themleves when they released 2.0, so it actually easer to go from WP1 -> Word than from WP1 -> WP2.
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I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?
*sigh* I don't know about this one. There's nothing wrong with segregating things, as long as both sides are treated equally. Quite frankly, though, I wouldn't want to be a girl scout. Boy scouts get to do so much cooler stuff. Just because I'm a girl, doesn't mean I want to sit around and do girly stuff, maybe I wanna go outside and do outdoorsy type stuff. I think, ultimately, I disagree with this one. If I was a child, boy scouts would suit my personality much more, so why should I have to be left out just because I lack certain equipment? The fundamental differences between boys and girls is slight, most of the differences exist because society has imposed them.
I don't think they chould be seperate. Firstly, I agree, I always thought the boy scouts things looked so cool, while the girl scouts stuff looked lame. It's segregation, can't girls play with boys and boys play with girls? Theres nothing different between a little girl, and a little boy, besides what they have been taught to become. I doubt girls naturally like makeup and cute things, and boys like tough things. It's just ever since people have been baies they were taught to be the way they are by gender.
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!
YESYESYESYESYES. True, this country doesn't have an official language. But, we should. Hopefully someday we will. Either way, the overwhelming majority of people here speak English. I think that people who want to come to this country should have to be decently fluent in English before we let them in.
I don't think people coming into our country have to learn english. This is a free country, freedom of speech is included. That deals with language too. Just we don't have to learn their language. It's a smart move for the person to learn to speak english, and pretty much necessary to get a job and make money, yet they don't have too.
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Vuldari wrote:Hunting rifles, if you are a hunter and keep them locked up and unloaded when you are not using them, are fine.

...but handguns are built to kill other humans. That is all that they do. Ownership of one suggests that you plan on, or are willing to kill another human being with it some day.

The only reason you need one is because the bad guys have them too.

If no one had handguns (and semi-automatics), then we would all be better off.

...sure...SOME people would still get them, even if they were banned...but many, many, many people would not. (Only the worst of the worst...career criminals and people who go out of ther way to break the law and kill someone would go through the trouble to get one.)

So Many spontanious, and accidental deaths would be avoided if such tools of death were made far more difficult to aquire.

I HOPE that it does NOT stay the way it is for long.


(To those who own handguns: Are you really prepared to be a murderer...even in self defense?)
Exactly. Sure, some intended criminals will acquire guns, yes, but if guns are outlawed, they become criminals when they purchase the gun instead of when they use it to blow someone's head off.
Vuldari wrote:NONONONONONONO...

Language is a beautiful thing...and quite honestly, the English language SUCKS. I think the rest of America should stop being lazy and stubborn and learn a second or third language themselves, rather than sit on their butts and complain that those other people should learn a language foreign to them instead.

Everyone should speak at least two languages. IMHO.
I understand your sentiments, but if Americans are to learn a second language... Which one?

For most foreign countries, it's a no-brainer which should be their second language: English. That's because, thanks to two consecutive world wars, the United States is the only superpower left in the world, and therefore the largest market. Therefore, if you expect to succeed in business, politics, entertainment etc., your best bet is in the American market, therefore English comes in handy.

Way back in the 1700-1800s, France had the strongest geographical, economical and political standings, therefore everyone was expected to learn how to speak French. And in Eastern Europe, durring the Iron Curtain time period, everyone was expected to know at least a little Russian. It's just how a result of the times -- if you're going to learn a second language, the best one to learn is that of the strongest nation (had the European powers not blown the living crap out of each other in two consecutive world wars, we'd probably still be telling each other to learn to speak French right now).

So since there are no other superpowers left in the world, what second language should Americans be expected to know? If you're just going by populace, that would be Mandarin Chinese, but this and Cantonese Chinese are the only two languages known to man that don't have a system of pronounciation, therefore it's not the easiest language to learn. So which of the 6700+ languages spoken in 228 countries should we be learning to speak instead?

Hopefully you get the idea. I don't think you should be expected to speak fluent English as soon as you get off the boat, but you can't shift 100% of the blame entirely onto the Americans either.
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Note that this article is heavily contextual to issues within the United States; some of these issues have already been resolved in other parts of the world, and in others, social circumstances have either yet to reach the point at which they become relevant, or the nature of the society itself prevents relevance. Those of you who live elsewhere in the world in some aspects have a greater advantage of objectivity in the logical handling of these issues. Unfortunately, however, many of these issues have parallels that are global and universal to the human condition.

Andy Rooney:
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America....
I have heard similar arguments, and they're pretty good. I find it most helpful in terms of resolving the question of race is to remove the concepts of "black" and "white" and substitute variables such as "X" and "Y." This eliminates the emotionally charged elements and allows one to address the problem from a purely logical standpoint. When this is done, Andy Rooney's arguments hold true. From a logical standpoint, B.E.T. is an implied advocate of segregation.

Obviously, this isn't what they're intending. But, it's what the end result is. Terms like "counter-racism" and "reverse discrimination" have been developed, but they're only meaningful inside the context of the current social climate. Logically, "reverse discrimination" is simply discrimination.

My own observation is that racism (and "reverse racism," which is simply racism from the perspective of someone not traditionally used to being on the other end of it) is the result of an elaborate illusion. Ancestory reveals a time when racial seperation was far more real. But, time has paved the way for some equalization. Still, I grant, there's room for improvement, but the emergence of some affluent minorities has helped to break down barriers.

The real issue isn't race; it's poverty. Most racists are poverty-stricken. They can be the whites who form white supremacist groups, or they can be the various minorities, who blame the white man for their ills. But, the simple reality is, the overwhelming majority of rich minority people and their rich white neighbors get along just fine. You don't see gangs of upper middle class professionals dividing themselves into racial groups, unless they're politicians appealing to voters, or they're on trial for murder.
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
I oppose gun control myself, but this is not a valid argument. I will not use a logically poor argument to defend a position that I believe; I'd rather use real reasons.

It's a poor argument, because it assumes that bats, cars, and guns are essentially similar devices. There is a very important difference that this argument intentionally avoids. Guns are designed for the express purpose of killing. Cars are a mode of transportation, and baseball bats are intended first and foremost as sports equipment. The use of a bat as a weapon is fairly easy to determine, and its evolutionary ancestory to a medieval mace is noticable. But, it's intended first for sport, a channelling of aggression away from killing. The overwhelming majority of car-related deaths, even factoring in drunk driving, is unplanned and accidental.

I oppose restricting gun control because it historically has been shown to be used by totalitarian regimes as a way of controlling the population. It's one of the first things Hitler did when he came to power. It also disarms private citizens more readily than it does criminals. But, I don't support weaker arguments, like "it's in the Second Amendment." Those of us here in America can speculate all we want about what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they said that having a well-armed millitia requires private citizens to have rights to bare arms; the simple fact is, it was written inside the context of colonial days, and it's interpretation today is speculative.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts!
Andy, I'm going to have to call you on this one. Just a few paragraphs earlier, you were making great arguments attacking segregation. This statement endorses it.
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
No you don't, Andy. Can you back that up?
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
And now he's logically valid again.
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English!
To those of you outside the U.S., he's referring to our rapidly growing minority who speak only Spanish, largely a migration from Mexico. The funny thing is, they're a hybrid of Europeans--the same ancestors as the white majority--and the Native Americans, the discrimination and displacement of whom is legendary. Though I am not an advocate of going through the complicated process of "reparations," in which various races tally up all the things that other races owe them, I do find the present-day disgruntlement by white people about the Hispanic "invasion" an amusing irony.

That aside, there are practical advantages to a common language. It makes sense that everyone can understand each other. And, it is far more practical for 10% of people to learn English as a second language than 90% to learn Spanish as one, even factoring in that English is a harder language to learn. So much of the United States is already developed around English, and the process of converting so much of it over is inherantly impractical.

I consider the idea of making English a national language a valid one, but unfortunately, I have to question the motives of most of the people who have proposed it. It's main champions unfortunately have been people like David Duke, a Congressional for Louisiana who's former leadership within the Klu Klux Klan hate group is well known. I would like to see this idea promoted by people who are more clearly impartial, and to see it presented as a measure of practicality, without being condescending of those who don't already speak English.
I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a** if you threaten them after they tell you to stop.
Yeah, I'll agree on this one.
If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
This is one example of why approaching English as a "national language" from a practical standpoint without making the effort to be as blatently racist as possible in the process might be a good idea. Police officers and medical personell need to be able to communicate with people.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.
To those of you outside the U.S., this is one of the things that is creating a lot of controversy over here. Our government is actually offering some benefits to people who have entered our country even illegally, that are not available to our own citizens.

Perhaps it can be seen as an example of our government's incompetence. Perhaps these are benefits that should be available to our citizens. As a health care professional, I can say that the United States has quite possibly both the best and the worst health care system in the world. If you can afford private insurance, you might have a chance to be cured of pancreatic cancer at M.D. Anderson, a hospital about fifteen miles from where I live, and one of the leading centers in the world for cancer research. But, if you're making minimum wage, you probably have to tough out a cold, because you can't afford an office visit and antibiotics. Weirdly enough, people who make less than you because they don't work are eligible for government aid, and can be seen for free, even the same day by an emergency room, for that sore throat and cough. One of the leading causes of bankruptcy in the middle class and financial destitution among the working class is medical bills.
I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.
A minor issue compared to the above points.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more.
As long as he's not doing monopolistic tactics. But, he is. Still, he's done some good things as well. He's a juggernaut and a force of nature, best not reduced to "good" or "evil."
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid...
It takes competent parents, and it is darn-near impossible to ensure that every single two of them are. Therefore, it's good to have backup, to help ensure that all the kids have someone to expose them to intelligence. So many people today are the way they are because that's what they grew up in. (Yes, I ended on a preposition.)
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement.
Throughout most of history, they were a symbol of social conformity. Now they perhaps still are, as a symbol of membership within one of several counter-culture movements. The good news is, they're gaining respectability.
I am sick of "Political Correctness."...
"Politically Correct" is a term to describe the present social consensus; it is usually used by someone about to express disagreement with it.
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I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
lol, I joke about that kindof stuff pretty often :lol:
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English!
Agreed! If you move to America, learn English first. Talk howerever the hell you feel like at home. I wouldnt move to France and not first learn how to speek French.
*sigh* I don't know about this one. There's nothing wrong with segregating things, as long as both sides are treated equally. Quite frankly, though, I wouldn't want to be a girl scout. Boy scouts get to do so much cooler stuff. Just because I'm a girl, doesn't mean I want to sit around and do girly stuff, maybe I wanna go outside and do outdoorsy type stuff. I think, ultimately, I disagree with this one. If I was a child, boy scouts would suit my personality much more, so why should I have to be left out just because I lack certain equipment? The fundamental differences between boys and girls is slight, most of the differences exist because society has imposed them.
I felt the same way way back when I was in girlscouts. All we really did was plan Sockhops, sell cookies and other stupid girly s***. When we went on the rare camping trip, we had cabins, and picnic tables. Its nice and all, but it would of been cool to 'rough it' more like the boyscouts did. Not that I think boys in the girlscouts and girls in the boyscouts really is a good idea. A new kindof group would be good.
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Silverclaw wrote:Agreed! If you move to America, learn English first. Talk howerever the hell you feel like at home. I wouldnt move to France and not first learn how to speek French.
I don't know if I'd spend X years learning a language if I wasn't sure how long I'd be staying in a country that speaks it, especially a country like France where they'd probably rather speak my language than listen to me butcher theirs (it is, after all, the second most spoken language in the world, there being that "learn the superpower's language" mentality I mentioned earlier). I wouldn't force my language upon them, so I'd hope that they could do me the same kindness.

You know what I'd do instead? Right before leaving, I'd go to cafepress.com and get 13+ custom T-shirts with the phrase "stupid American" in thirty different languages. :grinp:
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Excelsia wrote:I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
Yes, you have the right to do that, but you don't have the right to prohibit them from doing it. You MAY NOT limit free will. (unless the person's idea of free will is killing others or limiting other's free will.)
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours... I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe.
This would be a stretch for some, but to me, he is contradicting himself. Disrespecting citizens is the same as disrespecting the country. So if you are going to disrespect foreigners who are citizens, your father and grandfather did indeed die in vain. Sorry buddy.
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!
Once again free will. You don't have to eat there. It was your choice as to what food, and what service you receive.
Besides, Africa is a continent.
Not according our president, it isn't! :lol: (sorry couldn't resist. I am not a Bush hater; I just have a dislike of all politicians. Too bad we need 'em)
And if you don't like my point of view, tough...THEN DON'T PASS IT ON!!
And too bad for you if you don't like my point of view. If I am not forcing my views on you, you had damned well not be forcing yours on me.

Have we lost all respect for our own species? This is one fear I have. If werewolves or aliens do exist, they are royally screwed because if we can't stand our own species (bigotry, racism, hate crimes), what will we do to different species? Heh, I just came up with an ironic phrase to describe humans. I'll have to cross check it for accuracy, and if it passes, I'll share.
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um......before I get into this, why are we talking about this? ??
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Fenrir wrote:um......before I get into this, why are we talking about this? ??
Excelsia wrote:I don't know why, I just felt compelled to share it with all of you.
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Ok step by step,
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
I am not trying to sound racist but, some black people, even after they insulted you for being *insert own race here* will after you insult them, doesn't have to be about their skin color, call you a racist. I mean WTF. I hate when people do things like that, and they do, not just "minorities" but people who just do things like that because they can, and because they like a having power over people. I mean i've seen the same thing happen with other things too. the Chinese people in Japan are the same way.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?
This focuses on basically the same above terms, but with sexism. If you think you have it bad because your daughter can't go camping with the boys. Go to The Middle East, were you and her will not be allowed to show your face in public, or speak to the male gender, but if they want to go do the same thing boys want to do, why not just start your own orginization. And who the hell is Martha Burke?


Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer.
WELL NO [spoiler]f***[/spoiler] DUH EIGHNSTIEN!
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
This guy actually has a valid point :o ! I hate when organizations tweak statistics to make it sound like there is something wrong with are juditial system, when it's just plane commen sence!
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!
I agree, if you are coming to the U.S. and can't speak English LEARN IT! And it makes me mad how people can hire them just because they will work for peanuts, it makes me angry, like that Baseball player who refused to learn English, THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE!!!!
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a** if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
Let's not forget thier grandfather's died for your freedom too wise guy :P



We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.
See above
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He makes it sound like a caste system. But I don't either, but I will help the poor just out of common descency.
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"
Spankings should only by used as a last and FINAL resort, and some of these kids deserve it too, like that kid in Singapore what's his name.
I can't believe people felt sorry for the brat.

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if we have unearned luck.
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We will make amends ere long
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Those are My oppinions [spoiler]not yours :lol: [/spoiler] so if you were offended, i am sorry and look at the last quote. :(
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Careful Fenrir. We all know what happens when you recite Shakespeare close to Midnight. :grinp:
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Please Forgive the Occasional Outburst of my Inner Sage ... for he is Oblivious to Sarcasm, and not Easily Silenced.

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Terastas wrote:Careful Fenrir. We all know what happens when you recite Shakespeare close to Midnight. :grinp:
Wa I did know I recited shakespeare at midnight, I should really learn not to sleep type 8) :lol:

But seriously why are we talking about some left/right wing (wich ever is REpublican) guy who doesn't know what he's talking about, why not some other thing? ??
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Because questioning things and politics are important, no matter how annoying politicians may be. If no one questioned that blacks were people too, we might as well still have slavery. If no one questioned our rights as people, we could very well live in a country of no rights too. If no one questioned what 5+6 equals, maybe no one would ever solve it.

It can be very important, and doing this in a forum like this insures that the people here are not going to rip your head off (hopefully.), being we are all friends. Also discussing this here allows up to share and exchange ideas. Yet really, why not?
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Post by Shadow Wulf »

I also agree with most of what this guy says....
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers.Somone point this out for me
The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
I totaly agree, these things are downright stupid and I dont pay any attention to it, didnt the blacks fight so they can be equel to whites in everyway, didnt they fight to stop discrimination?
Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.
This is true the same thing with the media and games. But the reason for this is because its soo easy to kill someone with a gun and thier familiar with it. Someone isnt going to go through the trouble of devising a plot and make a gun out of a water pipe, with a gun all you have to do is buy it, load the bullets and your set.
I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?
Ok this guy needs to get out more cause nobody cares, atleast I dont.
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
No and besides other people have the right to be different and act however they want, its thier life. Are an offspring of Adolf Hitler?
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
Well it is true that alot more blacks go to jail and some cities, but you saying 100% of the blacks go to jail? Somethings off about that.
I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!
Ok Mr. No it all, you try living in a country that you hate soo much or your trying to seak a better life, a better job opportunity for your family cause the country your in doesnt provide much then what would you do, and besides alot of peopel learn english within a couple of years.
My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a** if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.
I agree with Velkacis, but when a cop points a gun at you almost every person in every country can understand what to do.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.
I cant understand this either, shouldnt the natives of the land be offered with the same or better oppertunities than the ones that were born from other countries.
We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.
*See Velkacis post*
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
Agien I agree with Velkacis.
I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.
I agree, its just entertainment, something to ammuse people.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more.
Agree
If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.
Uhh no its not that easy anymore, technology has advanced much more than before and Bill Gate had help. Didnt Bill Gate stole the windows Idea from someone anyway? or is that a gossip?
It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"
Agree but you have to actually tell them why you shouldnt do it.
I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!
I dont like this much either but its thier bodies not mines.
I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.
I dont get it either, just let it be for cry sake.
And if you don't like my point of view, tough...THEN DON'T PASS IT ON!!
You cant tell me what I can and cant send regarding to my feeling towards this statement!
Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories. - Thomas Jefferson
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