Expressed concerns for the random debates

[Teh_DarkJokerWolf]

I am just posting here my opinion after being a pack member for a few years have seen alot of this happen. Politic debates. They aways seem to get out of hand an carried away. I think such a subject doesn't belong on this type of forum as it is. Sadly enough the wolves topic do deal with such a thing to a certain degree, however most of you seem to defend the wolf which is fine. As far as that section of what's fair an not fair when it come to politics, honestly we can go back an forth all day and all night, but nothing would be solved.

The most that comes with such topics is harsh an cruel feelings towards one another an usless agruments that may an have surely cause people to get banned. It also can hurt someone pretty bad..We must'nt forget there are youths on here so we need to act like adults if we are adults. I have caused a few debates myself so I am not trying to act innocent, but as a MOD on this forum I felt it necessary to express this in the most respectful way possible. Unfortunatly some topics get out of hand that do not even involve politics an the government etc etc..

I am hoping that people who can see this as well will try themselves if they have such issues to try to see it others ways. No one person can ber right about everything and seemingly it happens to start a flamer when one thinks they are right. We all have our opinions about this as well as what this forum was made for. Werewolves. FreeBorn. There is plenty enough debate for this as it is. On how a werewolf should look or how it should walk. I say we should just try to focus on what we believe an if some says something you don't like, just let it go.

Not everyone will always agree, but that to me is the fun in this forum. So many ideas/concepts, so many artists an people who are just plain fans. lets all just try to keep the forum running smoothly an have fun as it should be

[Fenrir]

Well said Sabre.

Very impressive, I'am glad you're coming into your own as a moderator.

[White Paw]

very well said indeed

[BlackWolfDS]

*nods in agreement*

[lupine]

YAY!!

[Shadow Wulf]

Agreed. We shouldnt tangle ourselves with something as complicated as politics. Lets make this a nice werewolf forum.

[Silverclaw]

No offense or anything, but I'm going to have to disagree here.
If their are people who are interested in discussing things like politics, they should. I always thought you could talk about anything on your mind here. Not that I care much about the politics topics personaly; I just read what others are saying usually.
People just need to be reminded to act civil when they disagree and not start a flame war or anything. Maybe politics could have its own sub-section or whatever.

Not trying to offend anyone or whatever, just my opinion on the matter

[Teh_DarkJokerWolf]

No offense or anything, but I'm going to have to disagree here.
If their are people who are interested in discussing things like politics, they should. I always thought you could talk about anything on your mind here. Not that I care much about the politics topics personaly; I just read what others are saying usually.
People just need to be reminded to act civil when they disagree and not start a flame war or anything. Maybe politics could have its own sub-section or whatever.

Not trying to offend anyone or whatever, just my opinion on the matter

Basically that's what I mean SilverClaw, but no one seems to be able to talk about this peacefully which is why I posted this..If it could be done without the flames that would be perfect..Surely you have seen people don't try to respect one words an it ends up being some locked thread that no one can say nuthing to..It's what makes it hard for others..One person can make it hard an then people become aggressive an will feel like they have to say something..Whether we might see it or not..I understand an respect your words SilverClaw an hopefully everyone looks at all of this an we might be able to work this out an have the goodtimes we all have had The main thing is if people do wish to talk about this then it needs to be within reason an respect of others..If that can be done then sure why not

[Kaebora]

I'm with Silverclaw on this one. Only because politics are a legit subject to talk about. The only problem comes from the negetive attitudes that can result from it if a person's passion for the subject goes too far. By all means, I say its fine to talk about whatever politics you want. However, if it starts to get filled with malice and anger, you bet your tail I'll lock it if the first warning is ignored. If someone wants it unlocked, we mods can always discuss the possibility. It just doesn't feel right to tell anyone they can't post about a subject because others will disagree. Counter-points are unavoidable in forums, and can be productive/ interesting if kept clean.

All opinions are welcome here. Just try not to offend anyone.

By the way. What just said is not a final ruleing. Just what I beleive should be considered.

[Teh_DarkJokerWolf]

I'm with Silverclaw on this one. Only because politics are a legit subject to talk about. The only problem comes from the negetive attitudes that can result from it if a person's passion for the subject goes too far. By all means, I say its fine to talk about whatever politics you want. However, if it starts to get filled with malice and anger, you bet your tail I'll lock it if the first warning is ignored. If someone wants it unlocked, we mods can always discuss the possibility.

All opinions are welcome here. Just try not to offend anyone.

By the way. What just said is not a final ruleing. Just what I beleive should be considered.

Same with my opinions Kaebora..I wasn't jmping on anyone..I am voicing what has NOT been voiced yet..I just want peace..

[Kaebora]

No worries, I know what you're trying to say. I CAN say that I'll be giving extra close attention to the threads that have political debates in them.

[Kirk Hammett]

Okay look,

I've posted apologies, I've posted private messages to mods to say sorry, and still there's this.

What I posted was not, not NOT meant to be political!

I will never post that on here again, but I was under the impression that it was allowed.

As I told some people, I am not a debater.

I am 100% against debates.

I hate debates.

I hate confrontation. (I feel scared posting this one message)

I hate anger, I hate anything like that. This is really making me upset, I'm pulling my hair over this! I'm getting stupidly upset over it. This is why I hate messageboards, I just remembered!

I thought that topic would be a safe one. I'm not a politician, I don't think I was being tactless, I never saw it in the rules that it wasn't allowed to post that, I thought people would just pass over it, since most people do, thought maybe one or two people would maybe take notice...

I didn't expect that to happen!

Whats more, when have I ever caused trouble on here? When have I ever, ever started a fight, or a debate, or even really joined in a debate? When have I? I know this topic isn't directly aimed at me but I feel it is to a degree, and feel that it is because of what I posted that this is being posted. I feel ... really saddened. Confused, really confused.

I agree, Sabre, with what you're saying, but because I feel it's partially aimed at me when people here clearly don't know my motives...I am pretty upset right now.

I'm a born peace maker. Alright? Not a trouble maker. Now I've been branded one (Subtly, but it's enough), and that's not what I want out of this board. Not at all.

I don't want anybody's pity, I just want peace, and I want you to understand that what I said wasn't intended for this.

Now I feel people dislike me, think I'm rude, callous, tactless and political (Everything that is the opposite of me) and think I'm completely stupid.

[MoonKit]

All politicians and their ideas are wrong, stupid and immoral. So get over it.

Talking about politics is perfectly fine as lon as its kept in a polite way without arguing. However, it never seems to work that way so we should choose to avoid the fighting and only discuss politics when something important in the news comes up. But thats just my opinion.

[Kaebora]

We never said you caused any trouble Kirk. Your thread was valid, and you're not at fault for the rudeness that transpired. It merely turned sour by the gradual decline of back and forth heated debate over a sensitive subject. I don't know who is at fault, and if I did know, I wouldn't make it public.

We shouldn't outlaw any particular subject unless it's original post is demeaning in any way. (No sexual solicitation, racial ambiguity, or similar natured threads.)

Moonkit summed up my thoughts rather well though.

[Teh_DarkJokerWolf]

Kirk..I want you to know this thread wasn't pointed to you. I made this thread for everyone to look at, for future reference of course..I know no one wants to start a flame war, but sometimes it just happens when the intent is not meant..Us MODs an Admins of this forum just want to keep it kool here and have a good time as I stated in a previous post an I wholeheartedly agree with them all

[Kirk Hammett]

Well thanks for that guys. I was worried over this all night. I know this is only a messageboard, but I realised it'd be sad if I didn't have it. I have so many other things in my life and barely the time to get online...but I actually manage to get online which means I must enjoy the site, meaning I'm glad nobody hates me over this.

But again, I stress, to me that wasn't politics, but I won't be posting anything like that again, whether its animal or human. I heard and saw some of the other flame wars on the wolf topics.

Sorry for getting a tad upset, you know I don't really get that angry on here, so at least you know it was just a moment of panic...I don't regret posting though, so you do know where I'm coming from.

And I envy you Joker for being a moderator, that's a job I frankly couldn't handle (or have time to do). You're doing a good job.

Anyway I have a few people to email then I best be off to work.

[RedEye]

Politics: the second oldest profession.

"Everything, from the bread you eat to the shoes you wear, to the rifle you use to further the Revolution; is political in nature" V.I.Lenin

When we have differing opinions, that is politics; as long as we remember that the Moon has not changed her course in all of human history, then we see how important politics are.
We are here by choice. Politics will come into these forums and as long as they are so stated, they're cool...it shows where you (or I) are coming from. We need to remember that what is overridingly important to one may not even be worth reading to another...and adjust our expectations accordingly.
Politiics belong in the Papers, not here.

And Sabre, you're doing a great job!

[Kirk Hammett]

Politics: the second oldest profession.

"Everything, from the bread you eat to the shoes you wear, to the rifle you use to further the Revolution; is political in nature" V.I.Lenin

When we have differing opinions, that is politics; as long as we remember that the Moon has not changed her course in all of human history, then we see how important politics are.
We are here by choice. Politics will come into these forums and as long as they are so stated, they're cool...it shows where you (or I) are coming from. We need to remember that what is overridingly important to one may not even be worth reading to another...and adjust our expectations accordingly.
Politiics belong in the Papers, not here.

And Sabre, you're doing a great job!

Unfortunately, politics therefor is all around us and can never be confined to the newspapers. So...it means everything we talk about here is politics when people disagree (No matter the topic).

Gah. I just hate it. It's dumb to believe everyone would be at peace but I like peace.

[vrikasatma]

Actually Kirk (and the posters of the wolf-kill threads) brought up important points. I was actually kind of disappointed when I tried to post again, refining my original point, and found the thread had been locked.

I'm in the Burning Man community. Naturally we have a LOT of political discussions, and yes, political debates can tear a community to shreds. The way the various Burning Man fora handle it is to have the political discussions off in their own unmoderated section, with a caveat going in, "Anything goes in this section, be prepared to read stuff that'll make smoke come out of your ears, you've been warned, opinions expressed are those of the owner, proceed at your own risk." More often than not the discussion is intense but civil and doesn't devolve into sociopathic donnybrooks.

BTW...the term "flame war" has been ascribed to the slave-trade chocolate discussion...you shouldn't flatter yourself. I've *seen* flame wars and that was a SpongeBob Squarepants cartoon next to those: read, nobody issued death threats.

[Fenrir]

....how ironic, this thread against argueing has caused a few aruguements

[Shadow Wulf]

....how ironic, this thread against argueing has caused a few aruguements

Ouch!, Your right.

[Teh_DarkJokerWolf]

Well put vrikasatma The thing..the point I wanted to make though is while talking about it is fine an good it always seems to get ugly real fast..The thread gets locked an people do get mad..It's kinda a no win win situation sadly

[MattSullivan]

The complete debate regarding arguments and obstructions legitimized the rampant need for discourse among miscellaneous yet sebacious noncontents merging harmoniously within a divide conquered most reluctantly.

[Kaebora]

The original dispute was settled. The fact remains that us Moderators will read and make our own judgement calls on whether or not to warn the group that the converstation is out of hand.

Here, in this thread, it isn't an argument. There is no mud slinging, thus it is a simple debate. Debates are fine. Just keep it clean. It's just that this debate is on a course that might stray from the original subject. We'll I'm done here. Yall can keep talking about it, but don't hurt yourselves.

So... here's a wolf with a ducky on his head.

[geekboy1500]

what if

persay we could have a Strict debate section.

then if a debate started in any other part of the forumn the mods could just move it, therefore anyone would have good forwarning that there is a debate in the thread.

just a thought....