I HATE RACISM!

cumulusprotagonist · Post by **cumulusprotagonist** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:43 pm

I HATE RACISM!
(This is a general statement)

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:58 pm

Hopefully this is one statement that won't end up in a Pack argument. I think we can all get behind this one. ^^

Set · Post by **Set** » Sun May 06, 2007 12:12 am

You're forgetting about me, aren't you?

Quite frankly there are a number of things I could say, such as it tends to be the ones who claim to hate racism the most who are the most racist, but that would start an enormous bitchfest I don't have the energy nor interest to persue.

Kaebora · Post by **Kaebora** » Sun May 06, 2007 12:19 am

Well, I think there are two kinds of racism. Hate Racism, and Stereotype Racism. Hate Racism is when a person is hostile or anti-social towards a particular race of people. The Stereotype Racism is more common, when someone associates particular traits to a race of people. We can safely say that hundreds of comedians are guilty of that.

Kirk Hammett · Post by **Kirk Hammett** » Sun May 06, 2007 1:52 am

There will never be an excuse for racism today, religion or no.

(Then again, I'm spiritual but not religious.)

Unfortunately it is human nature to over-analyse, but people know better these days and therefore they should grow up a little. Unfortunately, racism is an extremely complex subject. It is not merely the dislike of another 'race' (The term race being incorrect because humans are not several races at all, and even if they were, then I'm a hybrid of each one

) but also the heightened awareness of other cultures and peoples other than your own being 'not as complex as ours' (Which I believe is rubbish, all human cultures are complex), whether you have a love for them or a dislike or feel pity for them or your own country/culture.

Society has shaped each and every one of us to think about racism and therefore, has made all of us racist in a small sense. It is almost impossible for someone who is against racism to not be racist because they are still applying the knowledge of this to different cultures and skin colours. Am I making sense? Sorry if I am not.

I've been called racist names before, and I've had many people overseas think Austalians (Despite my blood I am born and bred Aussie) are stupid and Andy had someone ask him when we got electricity and was it recently? (Honestly!!!) Racism comes in many forms.

As for magical racism (Against lycanthropy etc), people write books and short stories and roleplays about it all the time. There's a few threads around here about it I think. Don't ask me where, frankly I don't remember

*nagowteena* · Post by ***nagowteena*** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:15 am

hmm....

I can't stand racest people, And I know how it feels to be called names.

heh, I mean people who are racest are so close minded.

and it's not just about being racest to one color to the other, what about half races like me?

then it's twice as hard.

Kirk Hammett · Post by **Kirk Hammett** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:20 am

*nagowteena* wrote:
and it's not just about being racest to one color to the other, what about half races like me?

then it's twice as hard.

Im a 'hybrid' too. Nevermind. We have a strong gene pool that means!

*nagowteena* · Post by ***nagowteena*** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:28 am

Kirk Hammett wrote:
*nagowteena* wrote:
and it's not just about being racest to one color to the other, what about half races like me?

then it's twice as hard.
Im a 'hybrid' too. Nevermind. We have a strong gene pool that means!

yeah I have heard about that, it sounds interesting.

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:33 am

Kirk Hammett wrote:' (The term race being incorrect because humans are not several races at all, and even if they were, then I'm a hybrid of each one ) b

Race is very correct. Races is within species. It's kinda like dog breeds. Except human races tend to keep to the same general shape with minor tweaks like color or facial features, or height where dogs are super-varied.

Anywho, yeah, racism = bad. Kind of thing that should be common sense.

PariahPoet · Post by **PariahPoet** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:00 am

I'm sure most of us have some degree of mixed ethnicity. I'm part Irish, German, Dutch, and Native American. Unfortunately I got my appearance from the whitest of my ancestors, so my friends are required to don protective eyewear when I go out in a swimsuit.

But I imagine it would be really tough to be the first generation of mixed descent. People can be really cruel for no reason other than they grew up thinking one group is better than the next.

Kirk Hammett · Post by **Kirk Hammett** » Sun May 06, 2007 10:01 am

Aki wrote:
Kirk Hammett wrote:' (The term race being incorrect because humans are not several races at all, and even if they were, then I'm a hybrid of each one ) b
Race is very correct. Races is within species. It's kinda like dog breeds. Except human races tend to keep to the same general shape with minor tweaks like color or facial features, or height where dogs are super-varied.

Anywho, yeah, racism = bad. Kind of thing that should be common sense.

Genetics has shown us race doesn't exist in humans. I can understand races in birds, being an avid bird watcher, but it doesn't exist in humans.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071098.php

But, since race is a man made term made by science, it depends what you consider the word race to mean, and what you consider the word species to mean, which is also a disastrously iffy term.

PariahPoet wrote:I'm sure most of us have some degree of mixed ethnicity. I'm part Irish, German, Dutch, and Native American. Unfortunately I got my appearance from the whitest of my ancestors, so my friends are required to don protective eyewear when I go out in a swimsuit.
But I imagine it would be really tough to be the first generation of mixed descent. People can be really cruel for no reason other than they grew up thinking one group is better than the next.

I have a friend who is white as the snows!

I have pretty olive skin but if I don't go in the sun for a while it can be quite pale, and if I do, it tans. But it's definately not white skin, or pink, it's olive. I've never had too many cruel comments, generally they're in good fun, but if anybody is rude to Nago, I shall have them for lunch!!!

JoshuaMadoc · Post by **JoshuaMadoc** » Sun May 06, 2007 11:34 am

Racism is the dumbest hobby/sexual fetish ever invented by man.

I've said my opinion.

*nagowteena* · Post by ***nagowteena*** » Sun May 06, 2007 11:58 am

Kirk Hammett wrote:
Aki wrote:
Kirk Hammett wrote:' (The term race being incorrect because humans are not several races at all, and even if they were, then I'm a hybrid of each one ) b
Race is very correct. Races is within species. It's kinda like dog breeds. Except human races tend to keep to the same general shape with minor tweaks like color or facial features, or height where dogs are super-varied.

Anywho, yeah, racism = bad. Kind of thing that should be common sense.
Genetics has shown us race doesn't exist in humans. I can understand races in birds, being an avid bird watcher, but it doesn't exist in humans.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071098.php

But, since race is a man made term made by science, it depends what you consider the word race to mean, and what you consider the word species to mean, which is also a disastrously iffy term.

PariahPoet wrote:I'm sure most of us have some degree of mixed ethnicity. I'm part Irish, German, Dutch, and Native American. Unfortunately I got my appearance from the whitest of my ancestors, so my friends are required to don protective eyewear when I go out in a swimsuit.
But I imagine it would be really tough to be the first generation of mixed descent. People can be really cruel for no reason other than they grew up thinking one group is better than the next.
I have a friend who is white as the snows!

I have pretty olive skin but if I don't go in the sun for a while it can be quite pale, and if I do, it tans. But it's definately not white skin, or pink, it's olive. I've never had too many cruel comments, generally they're in good fun, but if anybody is rude to Nago, I shall have them for lunch!!!

yeah, that would me nice

but those people thankfully moved away.

yeah, the main mean coment thay had made was... Zebra, since I'm half African American, and half Coucation.

but what those people didn't think about is that, I'm not just two coltures, but fore. I mean I have Irish, German, and Polish, and then I'm half african american. I'm sure I have more then one Tribe in me.

the odd thing is on most days I look american indian. it's really odd. but great for my job.

if I was to actully listen to my mom and put sun screen on, I have very light skin. but at the momen I have a tan. so my real skin color is light olive.

cumulusprotagonist · Post by **cumulusprotagonist** » Sun May 06, 2007 8:54 pm

Set wrote: Quite frankly there are a number of things I could say, such as it tends to be the ones who claim to hate racism the most who are the most racist, but that would start an enormous bitchfest I don't have the energy nor interest to persue.

This is not necessarily true and in its own way uses the same logic as racism. Your statement may be true some of the time but it is not true all of the time. I do not believe in stereotypes and I am not racist. Although you are judging me based on my actions (or what I said) this too can create bias. Proof that judging someone based on their actions can be a bad thing is in the fact that you are associating something with its exact opposite in the form of a generalization.

Why is it not possible that someone can not look back at what has happened in the past and hate some of the things that happened back then very strongly? Why is it not possible to consider that people are still in a state of mind that would allow such things to happen again.

cumulusprotagonist · Post by **cumulusprotagonist** » Sun May 06, 2007 9:01 pm

Making generalizations and applying them to actions can be biased. Like saying if you do this then you are this. I do not just hate racism, I hate CUMULUS Racism, differential discrimination, ... ... ...

The Protagonist- "I HATE, HATE!"
The Ghost of Cumulus- "That is an oxymoron."
The Protagonist- "NO, I HATE MYSELF!"

Kirk Hammett · Post by **Kirk Hammett** » Mon May 07, 2007 8:05 am

Eh how about we don't argue. He has made his point. He hates racism.

WereWolfBoy · Post by **WereWolfBoy** » Mon May 07, 2007 8:09 am

So do i as well because it gets on everyones nerves and then causes fights then police then so on and so forth

MoonKit · Post by **MoonKit** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:05 pm

When somebody on the internet disagrees with you, just remember this:

http://dogtoe.com/weblog/wp-content/upl ... ternet.jpg

Sorry. Its a little mean.

Aki · Post by **Aki** » Mon May 07, 2007 9:23 pm

Kirk Hammett wrote:
Aki wrote:
Kirk Hammett wrote:' (The term race being incorrect because humans are not several races at all, and even if they were, then I'm a hybrid of each one ) b
Race is very correct. Races is within species. It's kinda like dog breeds. Except human races tend to keep to the same general shape with minor tweaks like color or facial features, or height where dogs are super-varied.

Anywho, yeah, racism = bad. Kind of thing that should be common sense.
Genetics has shown us race doesn't exist in humans. I can understand races in birds, being an avid bird watcher, but it doesn't exist in humans.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071098.php

But, since race is a man made term made by science, it depends what you consider the word race to mean, and what you consider the word species to mean, which is also a disastrously iffy term.

Well, even if biologically it doesn't exist, the article does point out it is a cultural thing. It's impossible to deny racial cultures. People in Asia do do things differently from those in Africa, The Middle East, Europe, the Americas....

cumulusprotagonist · Post by **cumulusprotagonist** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:01 pm

MoonKit wrote:When somebody on the internet disagrees with you, just remember this:

http://dogtoe.com/weblog/wp-content/upl ... ternet.jpg

Sorry. Its a little mean.

What would happen if everyone disagreed with something but said or does nothing? Maybe out of fear of being made fun of. You may think to yourself that there is nothing bad going on right now and that this is not the time or place to argue so it is ok to be afraid or to frighten others. But I will not stop speaking my mind so that I do not stop speaking it when something occurs that is nothing to laugh at.

cumulusprotagonist · Post by **cumulusprotagonist** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:28 pm

(Disclaimer: Cumulusprotagonist has aspergers and has no real grasp of the concept of emotocons. If you would like to know what aspergers is then... :google:

it.)

By the way I believe that it could be possible that what person's percieves as "stupid" another person may percieve something else. No matter what I type or what I say at the end of the day I always remind myself that my perception is not the only one and I should not belittle other people for their own. That when you start causually saying cruel things and think they should be socially accepted a dangerous line has been crossed. The slippery slope is a logical fallacy because the slope is usually very long, dry, and jagged. If you hate what I am saying read my signature.

Maybe if some of the people who disagreed with me had something better to say than "if you hate racism that much then you are racist" or "if you argue on the internet you are retarded" then maybe I would take the advice of the shut the [censored] up foundation.

Kirk Hammett · Post by **Kirk Hammett** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:22 am

Aki wrote:
Kirk Hammett wrote:
Aki wrote:
Kirk Hammett wrote:' (The term race being incorrect because humans are not several races at all, and even if they were, then I'm a hybrid of each one ) b
Race is very correct. Races is within species. It's kinda like dog breeds. Except human races tend to keep to the same general shape with minor tweaks like color or facial features, or height where dogs are super-varied.

Anywho, yeah, racism = bad. Kind of thing that should be common sense.
Genetics has shown us race doesn't exist in humans. I can understand races in birds, being an avid bird watcher, but it doesn't exist in humans.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071098.php

But, since race is a man made term made by science, it depends what you consider the word race to mean, and what you consider the word species to mean, which is also a disastrously iffy term.

Well, even if biologically it doesn't exist, the article does point out it is a cultural thing. It's impossible to deny racial cultures. People in Asia do do things differently from those in Africa, The Middle East, Europe, the Americas....

True, but calling anything 'racial' would be wrong, if you can honestly be stuffed being politically correct...Im not always politcally correct myself with things so I shouldn't even be saying this!

Then again, Im too far gone into my vodka to give a dog poop anymore.

So let's forget about it.

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To Cumulus:

cumulusprotagonist wrote:
MoonKit wrote:When somebody on the internet disagrees with you, just remember this:

http://dogtoe.com/weblog/wp-content/upl ... ternet.jpg

Sorry. Its a little mean.
What would happen if everyone disagreed with something but said or does nothing? Maybe out of fear of being made fun of. You may think to yourself that there is nothing bad going on right now and that this is not the time or place to argue so it is ok to be afraid or to frighten others. But I will not stop speaking my mind so that I do not stop speaking it when something occurs that is nothing to laugh at.

I'm just a passive personality. I don't like bickering. Im capable of debating. I have strong opinions. But, being a passive kind of person, I choose not to, although I am quite capable of putting my opinion in.

Considering Im a humanitarian and dont eat any meat products either plus care about the environment, its a bit impossible to be devoid of opinions. But I always avoid throwing it into people's faces. And you're correct in your next post and it is nice of you to say you may be wrong...

But in the end, there isn't much of a right and wrong. An opinion is an opinion. Who is to say whether God exists? We have opinions, sure, but who really knows? We can have opinions and still be peaceful.

Which is why I love this board! It's the only one I visit except local ones to audition band members and that sort or find out about who is touring here...because it is very well moderated...in fact, I'd call its maintanence excellent.

Im off track. No problems.