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Flicking ears in semaphore?
Presenting the Semaphore version of Freeborn!
flap, flap, flap, flap, flicker, flap, flap, flap
(subtitle:"Break it off with her, Jack!")
flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap.
(subtitle: "I can't force that kind of choice on her!")
Presenting the Semaphore version of Freeborn!
flap, flap, flap, flap, flicker, flap, flap, flap
(subtitle:"Break it off with her, Jack!")
flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap.
(subtitle: "I can't force that kind of choice on her!")
Taking a Gestalt approach, since it's the "in" thing...
Heh. I'll bet you never know what you're saying if you hold your head out the window while driving.Scott Gardener wrote:Flicking ears in semaphore?
Presenting the Semaphore version of Freeborn!
flap, flap, flap, flap, flicker, flap, flap, flap
(subtitle:"Break it off with her, Jack!")
flap, flap, flap, flap, flap, flap.
(subtitle: "I can't force that kind of choice on her!")
Werewolf 1: flap, flap, flappity, flap-flap
Werewolf 2: Why you... I oughtta'...
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You know, thier stance, are they standing up straight and looking confident or slouching and cringing away from people looking diminitive. That sort of thing.Figarou wrote:WolvenOne wrote:As I've suggested before, werewolves are likely to communicate via a veriety of different means..... such as simplistic words, body language, hand motion, and how they hold themselves.
Kinda an.... impromptu language.
Or if details really important, they can grab one of those cheap walkie talkies and tap on em to create Morris Code.
and how they hold themselves?
Hmmm...example, please?
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I see them talking like Hugh Jackman in Van Helsing, when he howl-crys for the girl when she dies (don't remember her name..) He howls in wolf form, then when he becomes human it twists around to a Nooooo sound
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WolvenOne wrote:You know, thier stance, are they standing up straight and looking confident or slouching and cringing away from people looking diminitive. That sort of thing.Figarou wrote:WolvenOne wrote:As I've suggested before, werewolves are likely to communicate via a veriety of different means..... such as simplistic words, body language, hand motion, and how they hold themselves.
Kinda an.... impromptu language.
Or if details really important, they can grab one of those cheap walkie talkies and tap on em to create Morris Code.
and how they hold themselves?
Hmmm...example, please?
Oh..gotcha.
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Hopefully most become just as familiar with the Control key!Figarou wrote:Yup, the werewolf's favorite function on the computer keyboard.Shadowblaze wrote:
EDIT: wait a second... shift key? hehehe...
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For the record, the short werewolf "movie" that somebody linked in the initial post to this topic was made by Rowsby, of course. He used to be a pretty good friend of mine, but at this point I haven't really talked to him in years, since he moved.
He's a top-notch animator and graphic artist; he obviously did "Quentin" by himself.
Quick note, though, since this topic is about what a werewolf would *sound* like. Rowsby voiced Quentin himself.
He *may* have slowed down the playback slightly in order to get the deeper voice, but it's most certainly possible for a "regular human" to sound that way. It just takes practice, and is particularily hard on the throat.
Because of my potential anal retentiveness and a healthy nitpicker's sense, I'm going to refrain from talking about how a werewolf "could" talk. However, I think Quentin is a good example of how a werewolf "would" talk, if it could.
For the record, the short werewolf "movie" that somebody linked in the initial post to this topic was made by Rowsby, of course. He used to be a pretty good friend of mine, but at this point I haven't really talked to him in years, since he moved.
He's a top-notch animator and graphic artist; he obviously did "Quentin" by himself.
Quick note, though, since this topic is about what a werewolf would *sound* like. Rowsby voiced Quentin himself.
He *may* have slowed down the playback slightly in order to get the deeper voice, but it's most certainly possible for a "regular human" to sound that way. It just takes practice, and is particularily hard on the throat.
Because of my potential anal retentiveness and a healthy nitpicker's sense, I'm going to refrain from talking about how a werewolf "could" talk. However, I think Quentin is a good example of how a werewolf "would" talk, if it could.
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Well said! That's an astute way to express oneself when dealing with the details of possibilities.Bowtie wrote:Because of my potential anal retentiveness and a healthy nitpicker's sense, I'm going to refrain from talking about how a werewolf "could" talk. However, I think Quentin is a good example of how a werewolf "would" talk, if it could.
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I don't think anyone posted about this, but there are a lot of posts and I don't want to read through them all.
I was watching a show on amazing animals and they showed this one dog that could mimic what people said. The dog could say an intelligible "I love you" and they even almost got him to say the name of the show. It was really quite amazing to see that a dog can make sounds so close to ours. So, if a werewolf really tried they could make sounds like ours, but I don't think it would sound remotely human. The dog would make barking like sounds and I guess modify the way they came out to make intelligible words in our language.
I was watching a show on amazing animals and they showed this one dog that could mimic what people said. The dog could say an intelligible "I love you" and they even almost got him to say the name of the show. It was really quite amazing to see that a dog can make sounds so close to ours. So, if a werewolf really tried they could make sounds like ours, but I don't think it would sound remotely human. The dog would make barking like sounds and I guess modify the way they came out to make intelligible words in our language.
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Mentioned it. The talking dogs sound kind of yowly, but they do make words. One can extrapolate that a werewolf might sound similar, but with a deeper voice because of the larger size.
One could I suppose find a soundbite of the talking dog and then use a DSP program (such as one of various Winamp plug-ins) to lower the frequency. Then you know how a werewolf says, "I love you." (That conjures up some thoughts, but I won't go there.)
One could I suppose find a soundbite of the talking dog and then use a DSP program (such as one of various Winamp plug-ins) to lower the frequency. Then you know how a werewolf says, "I love you." (That conjures up some thoughts, but I won't go there.)
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Scott Gardener wrote:Mentioned it. The talking dogs sound kind of yowly, but they do make words. One can extrapolate that a werewolf might sound similar, but with a deeper voice because of the larger size.
One could I suppose find a soundbite of the talking dog and then use a DSP program (such as one of various Winamp plug-ins) to lower the frequency. Then you know how a werewolf says, "I love you." (That conjures up some thoughts, but I won't go there.)
Yes, but the shape of the muzzle and the fangs may prevent them from saying words properly.
Pretend you have fangs. Try and say the word "fight." It may sound like "right" instead of "fight."
This is about as far as I personally would want it to go, too.I see them talking like Hugh Jackman in Van Helsing, when he howl-crys for the girl when she dies (don't remember her name..) He howls in wolf form, then when he becomes human it twists around to a Nooooo sound
From what you all have said (I've seen the mimic dogs on TV too) it is obvious that a werewolf, with enough experience and practice, could learn to kind-of, sort-of talk. But I think that what could happen is sometimes a moot point, if it won't carry the story well. Talking werewolves could backfire very easily, and make Freeborn a laughing stock. Pantomiming werewolves, in the right situation, might be okay. Any intelligent werewolf can attempt to get a human to follow them to the site of the car accident ala Lassie. But I do not want a Scooby-Doo clone voice. Talking werewolves are too cartoony, in my opinion. That was one of the things wrong with "Cursed".
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hey, I liked that part with Cursed, where the werewolf flicked them off,"LIAR" that was one of the coolest and funniest things I saw in a werewolf movie(finaly something to laugh in these type of flicks)
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Aside from the obvious "glass box" routine, there's Charades...
"Ah!!! What's happening to you! OK, first syllable! Looking? No, buttoning a shirt? Wear? Yes, Wear! OK, second syllable, all fours... howling... Bark? Woof? Sounds-like... Oh, wolf! You're a werewolf! OK, I'm going to continue panicking. Ahh!!!"
Hmm...Pantomiming werewolves, in the right situation, might be okay.
Aside from the obvious "glass box" routine, there's Charades...
"Ah!!! What's happening to you! OK, first syllable! Looking? No, buttoning a shirt? Wear? Yes, Wear! OK, second syllable, all fours... howling... Bark? Woof? Sounds-like... Oh, wolf! You're a werewolf! OK, I'm going to continue panicking. Ahh!!!"
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If I echo thoughts and poitns made here, I applogize.
These are merely my opinions with the brief run down I gave the post.
Biologically speaking the human head, tongue, mouth and vocal cords have evolved so that we Can Have Speech. The way our throat is set up makes us very vunerable to choking, but enhances our ability to speak. Our ;ips, cheeks, mouth shape, tongue, vocal cords, and placement of vocal cords in the throat give us the ability to speak. Tweek with ONE of those features, and you get all kinds of speech impediments.
No other animal has the equipment we have. Great Apes are close, but still no-go.
Wolves don't have the same set up. They can mimic sounds to a certain extent. "Talking Dogs" can say -vowel- sounds. 'I wuh ewe' Hard consanants would be near impossible. Use fo snapping teeth, clicking jaws, deeper throat grunts, you might be able to get some semblence of a hard consanant. NOW if the werewolf in particual spoke a more vowel-based language, they could possibly make themselves understood. ;) Japanese anyone?
Now take a look as Small cats versus Big Cats. Most Big Cats can't purr. Small cat's can't ROAR. This is due to the fact that their throat set up has a little bone wrapped around the wind pipe. in Smaller cats, its flexiable. In Larger cats its not. This is what prevents Big Cats from Purring and small cats from Roaring.
Wolves don't have the set up humans do.., but a Gestalt hybrid might have -some- of the features of both. So they could make -sounds- and perhpas mimic certain syllables and noises. Bu they wouldn't have the range, as the very shape of the mouth becomes an elongated muzzle. The lips thin out and become less able to forms around sounds, comparitively.
Now in order to fully pronounce "words" as humans would understand them, they'd have to carefully ennuciate around their teeth and floppy tongue. ;) Ever see a human forcfully ennuciate something. It looks silly. Imagine that one a werewolf muzzle. It becomes bizzarre XD
Now also don't forget that Wolves -do- indeed have their own language. Body language, scents ( very important ), facial expressions, ear expressions, and some sounds and noises.
I see a werewolf "Language" and "speech" as being a hybrid of these two things. For it would fit the physical form a lot better.
These are merely my opinions with the brief run down I gave the post.
Biologically speaking the human head, tongue, mouth and vocal cords have evolved so that we Can Have Speech. The way our throat is set up makes us very vunerable to choking, but enhances our ability to speak. Our ;ips, cheeks, mouth shape, tongue, vocal cords, and placement of vocal cords in the throat give us the ability to speak. Tweek with ONE of those features, and you get all kinds of speech impediments.
No other animal has the equipment we have. Great Apes are close, but still no-go.
Wolves don't have the same set up. They can mimic sounds to a certain extent. "Talking Dogs" can say -vowel- sounds. 'I wuh ewe' Hard consanants would be near impossible. Use fo snapping teeth, clicking jaws, deeper throat grunts, you might be able to get some semblence of a hard consanant. NOW if the werewolf in particual spoke a more vowel-based language, they could possibly make themselves understood. ;) Japanese anyone?
Now take a look as Small cats versus Big Cats. Most Big Cats can't purr. Small cat's can't ROAR. This is due to the fact that their throat set up has a little bone wrapped around the wind pipe. in Smaller cats, its flexiable. In Larger cats its not. This is what prevents Big Cats from Purring and small cats from Roaring.
Wolves don't have the set up humans do.., but a Gestalt hybrid might have -some- of the features of both. So they could make -sounds- and perhpas mimic certain syllables and noises. Bu they wouldn't have the range, as the very shape of the mouth becomes an elongated muzzle. The lips thin out and become less able to forms around sounds, comparitively.
Now in order to fully pronounce "words" as humans would understand them, they'd have to carefully ennuciate around their teeth and floppy tongue. ;) Ever see a human forcfully ennuciate something. It looks silly. Imagine that one a werewolf muzzle. It becomes bizzarre XD
Now also don't forget that Wolves -do- indeed have their own language. Body language, scents ( very important ), facial expressions, ear expressions, and some sounds and noises.
I see a werewolf "Language" and "speech" as being a hybrid of these two things. For it would fit the physical form a lot better.
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